The Democrats Delusion – Swastikas Everywhere

I do not believe in drowning out views, but I was called un American for opposing some of Bushes policies.

A lot of the retired I spoke to recently are afraid it will be like the Bush Medicare Reform, cost them a lot more money and perhaps another donut hole, more no-bid contracts for drug makers etc.

Let just outlaw insurance and let everyone pay for everything there own way, back to the old west.

The health insurance comapnies made 12.6 billion in 2006 up from a couple of Billion in 2001.That no-bid reform of Republican design sure helped them.

It is not Democrats showing up at meetings and not allowing questions to be answered. Shouting down speakers is not the way to get answers. You cannot get an answer if one cannot talk over the noise.

Yes, I agree but who is really trying to silence the debate those who are trying to ask or answer questions or those who are shouting down speakers?

Ron,

“People who favor socialized medicine are wrong. The National Socialist German Workers’ Party was unspeakably evil. There’s a difference.”

Agreed!!! Yet Limbaugh and his Far Right fringe Republicans call Obama a NAZI. They are completely out of touch with the world.

SEE VIDEO BELOW: youtube – Limbaugh says Obama is a Nazi

http:watch//www.youtube.com/?v=zD_McKggi8U

#4,

Thanks for the actual quotes from the actual Limbaugh. The puppet Limbaugh comments I produced are the actual qoutes just not by him.

Where is my dishonesty. I did not produce misquotes.

“Notice, this is in response to Pelosi and Obama smearing those standing up for their rights.”

You support calling the President A Nazi? Your above quote is your justification for the Nazi label on Obama?

“They just can’t take it…”

It is not about taking it. Obama can take it, I can take it as others can.

It is about being rediculous and out of touch.

Notice,

#6
More than half of these files are not found. The leftist liberal response to evidence of their behavior is trying to example something of the opposition. Not talking about how disgusting those comments are. Defacto endorsement.

#5
Your endorsement of comparing those protesting socialized medicine to nazis is gross and sickening. None of what was in that stupid little clip that represents the level of your intellect were in context. Not that that bothers people like you.

It IS about what you can or cant take, since your distortion of what happened by talking about something else is intellectualy boring and dishonest.

#7,

Your endorsement of comparing those protesting socialized medicine to nazis is gross and sickening. None of what was in that stupid little clip that represents the level of your intellect were in context. Not that that bothers people like you.

Where in my post did I endorse what you claim? Quote my post.

What is out of context in the clip. Clearify and put it into context.

Do the same for the Pelosi clip Crowley posted.

Demostrate your superior intellect. NOT.

“It IS about what you can or cant take, since your distortion of what happened by talking about something else is intellectualy boring and dishonest.”

Correct the distortion and make it intellectualy exciting and honest for us. I am open to learning something new every day.

Why don’t we hear anything about Prescott Bush (GW’S Grandpa) helping the Nazi’s?

What is it with you assholes? Pick your battles carefully man. You are tools for the big red machine.

#10,

“YOU are distortion. You are intellectually lazy and dishonest. You are worthless.”

You are a nut case.

“I talked about what Pelosi and Obama said. The article and discussion are NOT about what was said about the President. You want to talk about that, do that on another post. I dont have to talk about whether or not I justify ANYTHING.

Because the discussion was about what Pelosi and the Democrats say about Americans who oppose their scheme.

OKAY # 10, lets talk about what Pelosi said.

What did Pelosi say in the video that has you concerned? Obama was not mentioned in the clip so he did not say anything.

This is what Pelosi said:

However, it is now evident that an ugly campaign is underway not merely to misrepresent the health insurance reform legislation, but to disrupt public meetings and prevent members of Congress and constituents from conducting a civil dialogue. These tactics have included hanging in effigy one Democratic member of Congress in Maryland and protesters holding a sign displaying a tombstone with the name of another congressman in Texas, where protesters also shouted “Just say no!” drowning out those who wanted to hold a substantive discussion.

Let the facts be heard

These disruptions are occurring because opponents are afraid not just of differing views — but of the facts themselves. Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American. Drowning out the facts is how we failed at this task for decades.

Those that disrupt the meetings say their freedom of speech is being violated by Pelosi as a result of her comment.

From Wilkipedia:

According to the Freedom Forum Organization, legal systems, and society at large, recognize limits on the freedom of speech, particularly when freedom of speech conflicts with other values or rights.[21] Limitations to freedom of speech may follow the “harm principle” or the “offense principle”, for example in the case of pornography or “hate speech”.[22] Limitations to freedom of speech may occur through legal sanction and/or social disapprobation.[23]

The right to freedom of speech and expression

Freedom of speech, or the freedom of expression, is recognized in international and regional human rights law. The right is enshrined in Article 19 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights, Article 13 of the American Convention on Human Rights and Article 9 of the African Charter on Human and Peoples’ Rights.[3]

The freedom of speech can be found in early human rights documents, such as the British Magna Carta (1215) and The Declaration of the Rights of Man (1789), a key document of the French Revolution.[4] Based on John Stuart Mill’s arguments, freedom of speech today is understood as a multi-faceted right that includes not only the right to express, or disseminate, information and ideas, but three further distinct aspects:

* the right to seek information and ideas;
* the right to receive information and ideas;
* the right to impart information and ideas.[3]

International, regional and national standards also recognize that freedom of speech, as the freedom of expression, includes any medium, be it orally, in written, in print, through the Internet or through art forms. This means that the protection of freedom of speech as a right includes not only the content, but also the means of expression.[3]

Town hall meetings are used by political leaders to present information to the public.

Based on the above, disruption of town hall meetings is a violation of others freedom of speech. There are limitations (disruption)to freedom of speech.

Disrupting the dissemination of information to your neighbor is what is un-American and possibly against the law.

Pelosi being an idiot or anything else personal is irrelevant to the thread.

The issue is freedom of speech.

Politics is full of politicians of every party with personal problems, character flaws and elitists.

#10 wants to stay on subject – “Because the discussion was about what Pelosi and the Democrats say about Americans who oppose their scheme.”

Free Speech requires mutual respect for all points of view, it does not include shouting down people you disagree with. It also does not include not allowing one to express thier point of view.

The actions of some at these meetings are preventing free speech. Statements by extremists on both the left and the right also hamper free speech.

That is exactly what the insurance companies and the supporters of a government takeover want.

If we do not get some reasonable reform soon then in the short term the comapnies get more profits.

Long term there becomes no other solution other than a government take over.

I am not particularly interested in either outcome, but I do support finding a way to insure those who currently do not have insurance. A public option may need to be part of the solution, but private options muast be protected.

Great One.

What exactly are San Francxisco values?

Ask ANY MAN who served in the Pacific Theatre in WWII and you’ll be hard pressed to find any thing but praise for the City, it’s people and it’s genrousity.

I know it’s not the haven that Rancho Santa Margarita is or Dana Point, but I gotta believe, you’d be more likely to see someone come to your defense in a street fight there than in Irvine.