Perhaps I have been on vacation too long as I have just received the following report from a northern CA colleague. After scouring the Juice all the way back to Sept 8th I do not find any posts regarding the ongoing challenge to the eligibility for Barack Obama serving as our 44th president. What a waste of Federal Court time and energy. Instead of providing the official document just as presidential candidates report their income tax return data this cloud over the president’s place of birth could have been lifted months ago. The president and his handlers have engaged in a power play creating this latest conspiracy fact or fiction court battle.
On Sept 8th World Net Daily reported that “A California judge today tentatively scheduled a trial for Jan. 26, 2010, for a case that challenges Barack Obama’s eligibility to be president based on questions over his qualifications under the requirements of the U.S. Constitution.
If the case actually goes to arguments before U.S. District Judge David Carter, it will be the first time the merits of the dispute have been argued in open court, according to one of the attorneys working on the issue. In a highly anticipated hearing today before Carter, several motions were heard, including a resolution to long-standing questions about whether attorney Orly Taitz properly served notice on the defendants, which she had. In a second ruling, Carter ordered that attorney Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation can be added to the case to represent defendants Wiley Drake and Markham Robinson, who had been removed by an earlier court order. Drake, the vice presidential candidate for the American Independent Party, and Robinson, the party’s chairman, were restored as plaintiffs. But the judge did not immediately rule on Taitz’ motion to be granted discovery – that is the right to see the president’s still-concealed records. Nor did Carter rule immediately on a motion to dismiss the case, submitted by the U.S. government, following discussion over Taitz’ challenge to the work of a magistrate in the case. Carter ordered a hearing Oct. 5 on the motion to dismiss and ordered arguments submitted on the issue of discovery. If the case survives that challenge, a pretrial hearing has been scheduled for Jan. 11 and the trial for two weeks later.
Jeff Schwilk, Founder www.SanDiegoMinutemen.com , who attended the trial provided the following optimistic commentary:
“The expedited trial has been set for Jan. 26, 2010, just 4 1/2 months from now!
I and many other concerned veterans and citizens attended the hearing today in Federal Court in Santa Ana in the lawsuit against Barack Obama to determine his eligibility to be President and Commander in Chief. About 150 people showed up, almost all in support of the lawsuit to demand that Obama release his birth certificate and other records that he has hidden from the American people.
Judge David Carter refused to hear Obama’s request for dismissal today, instead setting a hearing date for Oct. 5, since Obama’s attorneys had just filed the motion on Friday. He indicated there was almost no chance that this case would be dismissed. Obama is arguing this lawsuit was filed in the wrong court if you can believe that. I guess Obama would prefer a “kangaroo court” instead of a Federal court! Assuming Judge Carter denies Obama’s motion for dismissal, he will likely then order expedited discovery which will force Obama to release his birth certificate in a timely manner (if he has one).
The judge, who is a former U.S. Marine, repeated several times that this is a very serious case which must be resolved quickly so that the troops know that their Commander in Chief is eligible to hold that position and issue lawful orders to our military in this time of war. He basically said Obama must prove his eligibility to the court! He said Americans deserve to know the truth about their President!
The two U.S. Attorneys representing Barack Obama tried everything they could to sway the judge that this case was frivolous, but Carter would have none of it and cut them off several times. Obama’s attorneys left the courtroom after about the 90 minute hearing looking defeated and nervous.
Great day in America for the U.S. Constitution!!! The truth about Barack Obama’s eligibility will be known fairly soon – Judge Carter practically guaranteed it!
Video from the press conference after the hearing coming soon. Congratulations to plaintiffs attorney Dr. Orly Taitz! She did a great job and won some huge victories today. She was fearless!
Gilbert comment. I guess we will have to monitor the court calendar to see if and when this challenge will be heard or dismissed.
Larry,
I have disagreed with you on just about everything, but I never put you in the “kook” category, until now.
*”What a waste of Federal Court time and energy. Instead of providing the official document just as presidential candidates report their income tax return data this cloud over the president’s place of birth could have been lifted months ago. The president and his handlers have engaged in a power play creating this latest conspiracy fact or fiction court battle.”
FACT; No POTUS (prior to Obama) has ever released or submitted their birth certificate.
FACT; The Obama campaign released a digitally scanned copy of his birth certificate in June 2008 (no state releases ORIGINAL birth certificates),along with birth announcements from two Hawaiian newspapers.
This from a Factcheck.org article, The truth about Obama’s birth certificate ;
” Factcheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and PHOTOGRAPHED the ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE. We conclude that it meets ALL of the requirements from the State Department for PROVING US citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal are FALSE. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as “supporting documents” to this article. Our conclusion: OBAMA WAS BORN IN THE U.S.A. just as he has always said.”
I suggest you go to their website and see for yourself.
Then there is this from Hawaii’s Health Director:
“I,Dr. Chiyome Fukino director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the ORIGINAL vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health VERIFYING Barrack Hussein Obama was BORN in HAWAII and is a NATURAL-BORN AMERICAN CITIZEN.”
*”If the case actually goes to arguments before U.S. District Judge David Carter, it will be the first time the merits of the dispute have been argued in open court, according to one of the attorneys working on the issue.”
NOT TRUE;
Sept. 16,2009, U.S. District Court Judge Clay Land LAMBASTED Orly Taitz and THREW OUT her lawsuit representing a member of the US military who claimed she did not have to follow deployment orders because President Obama is “illegitimate”.
Judge Land, of the Middle District Court of Georgia wrote;
“First, Plaintiff’s challenge to her deployment order is FRIVOLOUS. She has presented NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE and has made NO RELIABLE FACTUAL ALLEGATIONS to support her unsubstantiated, conclusory allegations and conjecture that President Obama is ineligible to serve as POTUS. Instead she uses her Complaint as a platform for spouting political rhetoric, such as her claims that the President is ” an illegal usurper, an unlawful pretender, and an unqualified imposter”.
“Thus, Plaintiff’s counsel, who champions herself as a defender of liberty and freedom, seeks to use the power of the judiciary to compel a citizen, albeit the POTUS,to “PROVE HIS INNOCENCE” to “charges” that are based upon CONJECTURE and SPECULATION. Any middle school civics student would readily recognize the irony of abandoning fundamental principles upon which our Country was founded in order to “protect and preserve” those very principles.”
The judge also warned Taitz that she could face sanctions if she submits any “similarly frivolous” filing.
Orly Taitz; Champion of the “angry white boys”!
What could be more fitting?
Good thing all American’s aren’t “simple”. A natural born citizen has two CITIZEN parents. Kenya is not part of the US. Obama’s father was a British subject, not a US citizen. Making “natural born” impossible. When you wake up you’ll realize that’s what it’s about. Until the forgery, that’s what it’s always been about. Now it’s about identity theft, fraud, forgery, and failure to appear.
You know, we appreciate getting hits and comments on this blog, but not at *any* price.
By the way, this: ” A natural born citizen has two CITIZEN parents” is wrong. It is made up, wishful thinking at best. You’re either lying or being lied to. But happily for you, Orly Taitz is running for U.S. Senate against Feinstein, so you have a local campaign to which you can devote your time. Let us know how it goes.
Some kooks are better at camouflaging their kookiness, that’s all.
The birthers, the tea baggers, the screamers, and the deathers continued extreme minority presence will become tiresome to mainstream America, if it has not already done so. To all the birthers in La, La Land, it is on you to prove to all of us that your assertion is true, if there are people who were there and support your position then show us the video (everyone has a price), either put up or frankly shut-up. I heard Orly Taitz, is selling a tape (I think it’s called “Money, Lies and Video tape”). She is from Orange County, CA, now I know what the mean when they say “behind the Orange Curtain”, when they talk about Orange County, the captial of Conspiracy Theories. You know Obama has a passport, he travel abroad before he was a Senator, but I guess they were in on it. In my opinion the Republican Party has been taken over the most extreme religious right (people who love to push their beliefs on others while trying to take away the rights of those they just hate) and that’s who they need to extract from their party if they real want to win. Good Luck, because as they said in WACO, “We Ain’t Coming Out”. I heard that she now wants to investigate the “Republican 2009 Summer of Love” list: Assemblyman, Michael D. Duvall (CA), Senator John Ensign (NV), Senator Paul Stanley (TN), Governor Mark Stanford (SC), Board of Ed Chair, and Kristin Maguire AKA Bridget Keeney (SC).
It’s not up to us to prove he’s not eligible, he’s already done that. The B/C he posted stated right on it that his father was a British subject. End of argument. Even though the posted document was a forgery, it’s not the only evidence of that fact. How about a stolen social security number? Where’s your proof he is a natural born citizen, the birth certificate?
And as Bill Maher rightly pointed out, you could have a video of Obama emerging from the womb with Don Ho performing in the background and they still wouldn’t believe it.
anonster et al.
Perhaps you are so angry about every one of my posts that you missed my comment about the waste of court time and effort. I have not taken a position on this endeavor.
However, is the WND story accurate or not? Is judge Carter keeping the door open for further dialogue? That’s above my pay grade.
While Orly Taitz lives in Mission Viejo I have not had the honor to make her acquaintance.
Larry,
Right. You made a comment about the waste of time. Then you negated it by asserting that there is a “cloud” hanging over Obama’s place of birth.
The only cloud hovering overhead is the one that clouds a birther’s ability at discerning rational, objective reality.
Larry, you apparently have become a nutcase.
Obama’s birth certificate has been made public.
He was born in Hawaii.
That closes any doubt.
Anybody thinking otherwise is an idiot and a nutcase.
Geez, Larry. I really had thought better of you.
The waste of court time and effort is by the nutcases. Anybody who actually lives in the real world knows that there is no case.
No, Obama’s B/C hasn’t been made public, a forged digital image was posted on a web site. That image stated fathers Kenyan origin, what doubt has been closed? Only an idiot nutcase believes everything he’s told. Especially from a pathological liar.
“you could have a video of Obama emerging from the womb with Don Ho performing in the background and they still wouldn’t believe it.”
I bet they’d believe it if you had a video of Obama coming out of Don Ho’s womb.
In all seriousness, Larry, you are kind of a nutcase. Sad thing is you’re not man enough to stand your ground. You started out by saying what a waste of time it is, then you say what a great day it is for the US Constitution blah blah blah. Clearly, you’re a birther and want to continue with this madness. I wonder if you think anything that is bad for Obama must be good for the country.
Help me clear something up here:
Are Anon and Anonster the same person?
Is Anon tomahawk who is Truong Diep?
Lam.
While I have never taken a position, anywhere, on the president’s place of birth, every citizen has the right to file a lawsuit just as every murderer has the right to be represented by an attorney in court. The court will be the decider as to any further actions in this ongoing effort.
That’s what sets us apart from other nations.
Having three children I guess you can label me as a birther.
And to your question about the identities of “anon and anonster” I have no clue as to who they are. For the most part they find fault with almost every one of my posts and that’s all part of being a Juice blogger. I am not spending my time and effort to befriend every person who responds to my positions on policy issues.
FACT-CHECKING THE OBAMA BIRTH DOCUMENT CONTROVERSY
–Robert Klein Engler
It took about two years for the impact of what happened at Watergate to sink in and shake up US politics. Once the scandal played out, a president was forced to resign.
Now, members of Congress are being asked questions about Obama’s birth certificate. Lou Dobbs has mentioned it on his news program. Billboards are going up across the nation asking, “Where’s the Birth Certificate?”
The claim Birthers make that Barack Obama is not a natural born citizen and is therefore a usurper in the White House is growing day by day just like the Watergate scandal. How long before it sinks in?
Even though some Birthers are accused of wearing tinfoil hats and having a pocket full of wingnuts, it is obvious, as Vox Day writes, “The question about the Obama birth certificate is no longer one of conspiracy theory or hypothetical questions of legitimacy, as it now threatens to become a very serious military matter.”
The focus of the debate about the Obama birth certificate versus his certification of live birth is on FactCheck.org. This is the group many cite as the authority about Barack Obama’s birth certificate being original.
FactCheck.org claims they saw the COLB (Certification of Live Birth) issued by the state of Hawaii and they declared it to be original. They also suggest that with this document Barack Obama can get a US passport, so he must be a natural born US citizen and is eligible to be President.
These claims, however, do not mitigate the reasonable doubt many still have about this document and its authenticity. In these days of rampant Internet scams, like the e-Bay seller with a document who vanished, it must raise suspicion that the only supposedly legitimate proof that Barack Obama is a natural born US citizen is posted on the Internet.
According to Brooks Jackson, Director of FactCheck.org, “We were told that Obama requested it when he first prepared to run. Our contact in the campaign was Tommy Vietor, who is now on the White House staff. If you want to see the thing for yourself, he’s the first guy I would call.”
This writer has not seen the document in question, and wonders why an organization funded by the Annenberg Public Policy Center was not more thorough in its investigation. FactCheck.org describes itself as “a nonpartisan, nonprofit ‘consumer advocate’ for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U. S. politics.”
All well and good, but FactCheck.org ought to have had a better plan for proving Barack Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States. Why, for example, was not proof of citizenship available when Obama ran for the US Senate from Illinois?
If FactCheck.org had a representative from the Republican Party or someone like Rev. Rick Warren present when they looked at Obama’s COLB, that would go a long way to dispelling doubt about the authenticity of the document posted on the Internet.
But viewing the COLB is not the whole story. The claim that FactCheck.org makes that you can get a US passport with a CLOB is not born out by my experience. A call to the Department of State proved differently.
I was told by a representative there that you need a birth certificate, not a COLB, to prove citizenship and get a US passport.
“While the Certification of Live Birth is a legal document, it is NOT adequate for proving one’s physical place of birth.” Although the Department of State sometimes issues passports without a birth certificate, it is rare and the documents to do that are also missing when it comes to Barack Obama.
On the other hand, Brooks Jackson maintains, “What we said is that the document ‘meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U. S. citizenship,’ which it does.”
He continues, “Anyone at the State Department who might have told you differently either didn’t know what they were talking about or misunderstood your question.”
To confuse the matter even more, PassPortsUSA.com states that, “To be truthful people get US Passports everyday with short abstract version’s of their birth certificates that are missing a reference to their original birth “source documents” but the State Department can and does ask for source documents when there are questions or suspicions.”
They continue, “You really can’t prove your citizenship without the signature of a witness and a written hospital report of your birth.” Like there are no doubts or suspicions in the Obama matter? Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, where are you when we need you?
It would be good to know where Tommy Vietor got Obama’s COLB. If it was given to him by Barack Obama, then there must have been a request form filled out and signed by Barack Obama, and on file with the Hawaii Department of Health, that is a “State of Hawaii Department of Health Request for Certified Copy of Birth Record.” My call to Tommy Vietor about this matter remains unanswered.
I have had no success in viewing that request form on file in Hawaii, either. Nor do I know of anyone who has seen it. If Tommy Vietor did not get the COLB from Barack Obama or from someone who in turn got it from Obama, at the very least Hawaii law has been violated.
It’s odd, too, that if you were going to request a COLB, why not simply ask for a copy of the long form birth certificate, or vault copy, and be done with the controversy? We know the long form exists because Hawaiian official Janice Okubo, says it does. Beyond that, she cannot say more without breaking Hawaii law.
So what does this boil down to? The only proof we have that Barack Obama is a natural born US citizen and qualified to be President is a document supplied to FactCheck.org by Tommy Vietor of the Obama Campaign. That document was once posted on the Internet and is now gone missing.
In light of this, there remains a reasonable doubt that Barack Obama is a natural born US citizen. It seems, based on the limited documents we have, he does not qualify under the US constitution to be president of the United States.
If it is established that Barack Obama was born outside the United States, in Kenya for example, then he may be a usurper to the office. It will be evident to ordinary Americans that he is not following the Constitution he swore to uphold.
A year from now, there may be no need for the Supreme Court to even get involved in the Birther issue. The Air Force may be up in the air and the Navy out to sea, so it could be the Marines and the Army who remove a usurper from office. Politics in Honduras could be the shape of our politics to come.
“every citizen has the right to file a lawsuit”
Sure Larry, but just because we have the right to do something, doesn’t mean we should. In some state, I have the right to carry guns to a rally, doesn’t mean I should. I have right to point my figure inches from a Congressman’s face and yell, doesn’t mean I should. I have the right to tell my boss he’s fat and needs to be on a diet, but believe me, I won’t.
There seems to be a pattern in this country the last few years. Citizens screaming “I have the right to…” and totally disregard manners, logic and any source of common sense.
There’s a major difference between a right an an obligation. If the law is being broken, there’s an obligation to correct it. It’s not a right to disregard the law. It’s an obligation to file a lawsuit, as it’s an obligation to follow the law. Just because you can break the law doesn’t mean you should, that’s not a right. If someone breaks the law, it’s not a right to prosecute, it’s an obligation. Everyone has the right to confront their accuser, Obama is given that right, he chooses not to accept it, instead, he chooses NOT to prove his innocence. The evidence of a crime having been committed outweighs the proof of it not.
Stop it, you’re talking to people who haven’t been on this blog for two years. Give up your foolish crusade.
Lam. Thank you forrecognizing the freedoms that exist in our country. While I agree that there will always be kooks out there they do push the envelope at times.
At last count 1,601 people signed a petition to have our treasury department remove the words “In God We Trust” from our currency. Are they kooks or are they simply expressing their beliefs?
#9 Lam Pho,
I only post as “anonster”, although I have been known to dress it up sometimes; Dr. anonster, anon St. ter, etc.
#10 Larry,
“Birthers” don’t believe Obama has provided the “official document” either, so I guess that places you in their camp.
“Every citizen has the right to file a lawsuit”, true, but said “lawsuits”, MUST be supported by EVIDENCE.
Update from Talking Points Memo;
Judge Clay Land v. Orly Taitz, Part ll
“Sometime between being thoroughly smacked down by a federal judge and threatened with sanctions Wednesday, then denouncing said judge to TPM as a corrupt puppet, then having a formal complaint filed against her by a fellow member of the California bar for her comments, self-appointed Birther leader Taitz filed a motion in the U.S. District Court of the Middle District of Georgia challenging the judge’s order tossing her most recent case.
Now, the judge is threatening her with a fine to the tune of $10,000…..
Judge Clay Land– who on Wednesday penned the scathing and widely praised 14-page order denouncing Taitz and Birtherism and warning her against further frivolous lawsuits–was not pleased……..
Land gives Taitz 14 days to explain in a response why a $10,000 “sanction for misconduct” should not be imposed.
Finally, he informs Taitz she is perfectly free to engage in Birther agitation on her blog:
Although the First Amendment may allow Plaintiff’s counsel to make these wild accusations on her blog or in her press conferences,THE FEDERAL COURTS ARE RESERVED FOR HEARING GENUINE LEGAL DISPUTES and NOT AS A PLATFORM FOR POLITICAL RHETORIC that is DISCONNECTED FROM ANY LEGITIMATE LEGAL CAUSE OF ACTION.”
#11 Birther crackpot,
The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth ( original birth certificates) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT RECORDS documenting an individual’s birth.
The spokeswoman for the Hawaii Department of Health, Janice Okubo said;
“..that (what was posted on the internet) is considered a BIRTH CERTIFICATE from the state of Hawaii… when you request a birth certificate, the one you get looks EXACTLY LIKE THE ONE POSTED ON HIS SITE, that’s the birth certificate.”
Even the Governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a REPUBLICAN has said Obama’s birth certificate is LEGITIMATE.
All I can say, is that it must be tough on you, having to go through life being SUCH A DUMB SCHMUCK.
Put an image of your drivers license on your iphone, and next time your pulled over see how that works for ya.
#13 Larry,
Are you really going to equate people who question the constitutionality of “In God We Trust” on our currency (wether you agree with them or not, it is still a valid debate ) with people who refuse to accept official government documents as legitimate?
If so, you have jumped on the crazy train.
I just can not understand why supporters of Obama are happy to set back and never see, nor apparently want anybody else to see, all the hidden facts and hidden history of the man sleeping in our White House. A man with nothing to hide, hides nothing. This man hides “EVERYTHING”. It looks to me that any American would want to know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Has America sunk down so low that there are those that would rather have a usurper acting as President that pushes their Communist agenda rather than take the chance that under a new election they might lose their advantage to further their agenda? Has the time for open dialog ended and the time for other levels of discussion to start?
#16
Your just lucky that stupidity isn’t painful.
DEMOCrat
BARACK BARRY HUSSEIN MOHAMED ABDULLAH SOETORO ONYANGO 0BAMA
ILLEGAL ALIEN, mombassa kenya
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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgAtbS861ns&eurl=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkWd2INPhL4
As we head to church this morning I just received another input on this ongoing debate. After I read it I will decide if it is worth adding to the Juice dialogue as this story truly has legs.
Judge Carter has an agenda.
FACT: factcheck.org is NOT facts, just spew put out by the Obama group and those that back him.
If someone is seriously going to use that website OR others like it (even snopes is not factual any longer)as their basis of WHY BHO is NOT lying OR in regards to some birth certificate, than give the facts regarding the website. OWNED and OPERATED by BHO supporters.
When BHO allows his records to be examined by the American people – than we will shut up. McCain was ‘vetted’ but not BHO. Politics at work. AND again, all BHO has to do is produce (and he said in his book that he WAS reinstated as an American citizen – so he is STILL precluded from holding the title of CIC) the forms being asked for. Open up your college records and your financial records. Other presidents were made to do so, this isnt about race, but IF he is what he says he is.
For a THOROUGH DEBUNKING of World Net Daily “facts” about Obama’s birth certificate go to;
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/terry-krepel/worldnetdailys-obama-birt_b_245973.html
“remove the words “In God We Trust” from our currency. Are they kooks or are they simply expressing their beliefs?”
Larry, they’re both!!
#16 old1
“all the hidden facts and hidden history of the man sleeping in our White House.”
It’s not YOUR White House. If you think it is, try running through it uninvited sometime and see if you’d get jumped on and beat up by “YOUR” own secret service, lol. I’m just kidding of course, pulling your chain a bit just to knock your pretended idealistic view back down to earth.
“This man hides “EVERYTHING”. It looks to me that any American would want to know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.”
Are you that stupid and naive? Americans will NEVER know the whole truth and nothing but the truth. We are talking about politics and national security, correct? Bush said Skulls and Bones is a secret society, it’s such a secret that “I can’t talk about it.” And that’s ok with you Old1, but lets go after Obama because god knows, that BLACK guy might be from Kenya.
I’ll go with anonster on this one, “Your just lucky that stupidity isn’t painful.”
#21 liar,
Factcheck.org is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania. The APPC was established by publisher and philanthropist Walter Annenberg in 1994 to create a community of scholars within the University of Pennsylvania that would address public policy issues at the local, state and federal levels.
The APPC accepts NO funding from business corporations, labor unions, political parties, lobbying organizations or individuals. It is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation.
Factcheck.org’s Mission;
We are a nonpartisan, nonprofit “consumer advocate” for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics. We monitor the factual accuracy of what is said by major U.S. political players in the form of TV ads, debates, speeches, interviews and news releases. Our goal is to apply the best practices of both journalism and scholarship, and to increase public knowledge and understanding.
We are all adults here, and as adults we know there are consequences for are actions, so if you do not agree with his policies, you can a) do nothing, b) support him, c) not support him, d) protest and picket, its your choice, live the dream! As for Orly Taitz, to this point she has not been successful because she does not have any proof, documentation supporting her claims except her wild rants. I would not bet the farm on this one. She has a mail-order-degree get someone with real credentials (Harvard, Yale Law School) not a Russian immigrant with dual US/ Israel citizenship (where are her allegiances?). Have you even thought of who is paying for all her travel, or are you telling me she independently wealthy? Sorry she has no juice because she does not have any proof, documentation supporting her claims except her wild rants. That might work in “Fake News” but not in a Court of the United States.
Anonster. Other than the fact that Martin Wisckol reads the Juice, perhaps you can explain why the 2nd page, above the fold in today’s local section of the Register, covers this story?
That’s the latest BUZZ from Marty. He must feel we are getting too many hits on this story and wanted to cash in with his own coverage. If Juice readers like to topic than perhaps the Register must also give it some top billing as not every news story can be found above the fold.
#26 Larry,
There are many controversial stories out in the blogosphere and some have more weight than others. I wonder how many hits the OJ would get if for instance, someone did a post on Sarah Palin’s suspect 5th pregnancy. Check out ;
http:/www.palindeception.blogspot.com/
An interesting twist to the birth certificate story; Judge Land is a Bush appointee and Judge Carter was appointed by Clinton. It certainly is entertaining, a freak show and train wreck rolled into one.
Anonster.
Just as those we support get elected flip on their positions even the commander-in-chief misreads their nominees for Supreme Court who themsleves change their spots.
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anonster says:
September 19, 2009 at 10:43 pm
#16
Your just lucky that stupidity isn’t painful.
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good one anonster.. its a real laugh..
BUT, the same could be said about YOU..! 🙂
just so you know where I am coming from, i think BHO is the dog that caught the bus..!
every day he just adds to the proof that he is an egotistical idiot and i firmly believe his goal is to create the MOTHER OF ALL CRISES’ so that he can take these united states of america and dismantle our freedoms and make us all dependant on government for all our needs..
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anonster says:
September 18, 2009 at 10:16 am
Larry,
**snip snip**
FACT; No POTUS (prior to Obama) has ever released or submitted their birth certificate.
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well, i thinik you are wrong on this “fact”..
most former presidents HAVE supplied either a correct birth certificate or, in the 19th century, something that would serve to prove their citizenship under the constitution to serve as president..
i say “most” since one former POTUS (i forget exactly which one, but google is your friend here) had some question raised that he was actually born in canada..!
though he served his term in office..
reading through all the verbiage above, its interisting to see those who question the legitimacy of the dog that caught the bus are called names like “birther” and “kook” and so forth while those doing the name calling are smug in their knowledge that the alinsky rules for radicals is working for them..
in time it will come out and hopefully in time to save the USA from this dog..
its really interesting to note that when anyone asks “may i please see the original certificate of live birth showing the doctor and hospital names” the skies open and that questioner is pelted with rabid invective at a high pitch..
Also, is not the “Annenberg Public Policy Center” a liberal left leaning organization..? NOT exactly “Impartial”..
i am not a republican, i am an independant born in san francisco and taught to think for myself..
Joseph Plumb Martin
Please don’t get anonster riled up. He is truly a loyal friend who forces me to recognize that there are all kinds of people in the blogosphere. His eyes are all red from rage, not excessive drinking of our Kool Aid.
His message is simple.
“Attack, attack, attack” Larry Gilbert and George Bush. I am somewhat honored to be included in that same sentence. Guilty, guilty, guilty!
All people with just a hint of intelligence should know by common sense that when a person covers up anything,it is not a lie that he or she is trying to cover up,but the truth.That should be enough proof to anybody that mr. so called, Obama or what ever the hell his name is, is not a truthful person. He is a fraud,plain and simple.When the truth that he hides is found out by the world{ and it will be},mr.obama will be set free.YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK!!!
Anyone can walk into city hall and announce that they had a baby and could they please have a certificate to that effect. And that’s exactly what Obama’s mother did. It simply states a baby was born…no witnesses, no doctor certification, no information about parents (in this case, parent info would have included the father being a British citizen and the mother being a minor, thus, by law, the child would take the citizenship of the adult father, a foreign national, not the citizenship of his minor mother). If this was such an easy cure, why doesn’t Obama just show the birth certificate. There IS a difference between that and a certificate of live birth. The latter contains absolutely no facts, and that’s what Obama relies on. One has to seriously query why?
I think that. We need to set a higher standards. For person’s that wants to be the President of the United States. I don’t see anything wrong with that. But some people will call them nut jobs. We need to hold them accountable. Someone that wants to become the president of the United States. It is the highest position in our country. There needs to be checks and balances. For indiviuals we elect for our President.Every President in the US history. Had to produce a original copy of there birth certificate. With a signed signature. This is what it states in the US Constrition. That what the laws are to be for a president. This president He produce a copy of bith certificate. Without a signed signature. And the person needs to be a citizen of the united states.The reason for these laws in our constrition. Because there are people and groups. Like Bin Laden. That would like to destroy this country. And do us harm. This why this information has be verified. We don’t want a imposter for a predient. Because they can destroy this country within. But I know. There are people out there. That don’t care for the united states. They are willing to deal gangers and unscrupulous people. If there is something in it for them no matter what. We have people in our own government. They have been bought off. Our threaten about there job. It is not our safety. It is only about greed and power. They could care less about protecting this country. What have become. We have become cheap with honor.
You could say that. That I am one of the nut jobs
FACT: factcheck.org is NOT facts, just spew put out by the Obama group and those that back him.
If someone is seriously going to use that website OR others like it (even snopes is not factual any longer)…
“Reality has a well-known liberal bias.” – Colbert
You folks are sailing very close to the edge of the earth. There be monsters!
The Antichrist has a fake birth certificate
has any one taken note no filed stamp on this
forgery the half jew black is the savyor
HA HA good by king TUT.
ALL ANY BODY WANTS TO SEE ARE THE MANS RECORDS, HE SHOULD BE WILLING TO PRODUCE THEM, I MEAN EVERYTHING. IF EVERYTHING IS OK, NO HARM NO FOUL. IF NOT IM SURE THERE WILL BE A REVOLT. NO MAN HAS THE RIGHT TO HIDE ANYTHING FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, ESPECIALY IF YOU ARE POTUS. HE SHOULD BE ABOVE BOARD ALWAYS, NOT USING TAX PAYER FUNDS TO HIDE SOMETHING. I THINK THERE MUST BE SOMETHING TO THIS OR THE JUDGE WOULDNT HAVE DONE WHAT HE DID. BRING IT TO A REST ONCE AND FOR ALL. IF HE FOUND TO BE AN USURPER, HE SHOULD BE TRIED FOR TREASON RIGHT AWAY NO DELAYS NO APPEALS. THIS IS TOTATLY FAIR. GEO
Impeach him. He is the worst president in history!
Blue.
Isn’t it nice that you can express your opinion without fear of retribution?
While I am not happy with his leadership I am not ready to tackle an impeachment of the president.
The real test of this latest teflon president will begin November 2010 and hopefully continue through the Nov 2012 General election.
While we have Term Limits for US Presidents we should institute a similar policy for members of Congress who are too deeply entrenched with gerrymandered Districts to lose sleep over voter backlash.
Well today is Jan 26th, 2010. Is the trial going on? I want the truth to come out so we can kick this socialist out of office (no impeachment necessary). When is Slo Joe going to be sworn in as the (real) 44th President?
Lance. Unless I am mistaken, this trial is now a dead issue.
Well, it is the 29th and I see nothing when I google or search….does anyone know whether this case was heard or not?? Ann in Carson
The case was a freaking joke. You took this seriously?
The answer is no, Ann and Lance. I hope you are not too disappointed.
what has happened to the supreme court case regarding this matter?
Never happened