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	<title>Comments on: 3 Stooges arrived in Mission Viejo last Fri. Part 1 of 2</title>
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		<title>By: Larry Gilbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get real --get a life.

No one ever accused me of being soft in asking questions. If you enter the political arena you better be prepared. I learned that over 60 years ago as a Boy Scout. 

Dave Leckness is a friend. If you don&#039;t believe me ask him.True friends are not afraid to tell each other if they are making a mistake. It&#039;s called accountability. I simply do not believe that Dave Leckness&#039;s entry into the recall election was of his own making. He should have been preparing for valid policy questions regardless of which reporter he speaks to. You might read  part two which is now posted as promised.
And I do &quot;name names&quot; which is an inside comment from my public record requests in Mission Viejo a few years ago.
My group? what are you talking about. I have no group and was not involved in gathering any of the signatures of the recall election. Please refrain from giving me credit for the volunteer efforts of others. It simply is not warranted.

As to Lance&#039;s episode at UCI. I am glad that you can acknowledge it while Lance does not. Have you read his rebuttal to the charges? At no point in that document, that every Mission Viejo voter wil be getting in their mailbox, does he admit to the incident or even mention it. If he can&#039;t even address the first charge why do I need to focus on the other allegations?  Have you ever been in litigation?  Did yo ever hear of multiple charges such as in the case of Mike Carona where some may be set aside but others stick. I do believe that Lance&#039;s anger is cause for alarm in our city, which was just acknowledged as &quot;the 3rd safest in America (with population over 75,000).&quot;
What message does that send when we give the mayor a pass for his conduct as we promote public safety as job one?  I guess it was OK for the University of California to dismiss Lance but you feel we don&#039;t have the same option?

Be carefull here. If you continue calling me a liar I will hit the delete key on your comments whomever you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get real &#8211;get a life.</p>
<p>No one ever accused me of being soft in asking questions. If you enter the political arena you better be prepared. I learned that over 60 years ago as a Boy Scout. </p>
<p>Dave Leckness is a friend. If you don&#8217;t believe me ask him.True friends are not afraid to tell each other if they are making a mistake. It&#8217;s called accountability. I simply do not believe that Dave Leckness&#8217;s entry into the recall election was of his own making. He should have been preparing for valid policy questions regardless of which reporter he speaks to. You might read  part two which is now posted as promised.<br />
And I do &#8220;name names&#8221; which is an inside comment from my public record requests in Mission Viejo a few years ago.<br />
My group? what are you talking about. I have no group and was not involved in gathering any of the signatures of the recall election. Please refrain from giving me credit for the volunteer efforts of others. It simply is not warranted.</p>
<p>As to Lance&#8217;s episode at UCI. I am glad that you can acknowledge it while Lance does not. Have you read his rebuttal to the charges? At no point in that document, that every Mission Viejo voter wil be getting in their mailbox, does he admit to the incident or even mention it. If he can&#8217;t even address the first charge why do I need to focus on the other allegations?  Have you ever been in litigation?  Did yo ever hear of multiple charges such as in the case of Mike Carona where some may be set aside but others stick. I do believe that Lance&#8217;s anger is cause for alarm in our city, which was just acknowledged as &#8220;the 3rd safest in America (with population over 75,000).&#8221;<br />
What message does that send when we give the mayor a pass for his conduct as we promote public safety as job one?  I guess it was OK for the University of California to dismiss Lance but you feel we don&#8217;t have the same option?</p>
<p>Be carefull here. If you continue calling me a liar I will hit the delete key on your comments whomever you are.</p>
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		<title>By: Get REAL - Get a LIFE!!!!!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Get REAL - Get a LIFE!!!!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t wait for, part 2 of 2 where you will “name names.”  I&#039;m sure everyone is scared and shaking in their boots YAH RIGHT!!!!.  The only truly scared people are those who think your candidate will win.  Why do you have such one sided postings?  You pump up those you like and tear down those you don&#039;t like.  It&#039;s people like you and your small group that keep good people a way from our local politics.  It is really sad to see someone who has run and been defeated to think he (and his group) are the spokespeople of our community.  What makes yourself the voice of the county?!?!?!  You call yourself the &quot;watchdogs&quot;?  The only part I agree with is the dogs part.......... I am anxiously awaiting the next set of lies coming from the person who couldn&#039;t get elected and now spends his free time spreading BS on these blogs!!!!!  I see the only consistent hit piece you hold onto tightly is the fact MacLean got arrested at UCI.  It appears he made a mistake and paid dearly by no longer being employed at UCI. I&#039;m not saying the was right or wrong but I am able to get past that point in his life and let him continue doing the yeoman&#039;s job he has been doing for our community.  

When it comes to KIDS Factory, it was your Gail Reavis who wanted parents to have to pay for this program or not have in it MV!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t wait for, part 2 of 2 where you will “name names.”  I&#8217;m sure everyone is scared and shaking in their boots YAH RIGHT!!!!.  The only truly scared people are those who think your candidate will win.  Why do you have such one sided postings?  You pump up those you like and tear down those you don&#8217;t like.  It&#8217;s people like you and your small group that keep good people a way from our local politics.  It is really sad to see someone who has run and been defeated to think he (and his group) are the spokespeople of our community.  What makes yourself the voice of the county?!?!?!  You call yourself the &#8220;watchdogs&#8221;?  The only part I agree with is the dogs part&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. I am anxiously awaiting the next set of lies coming from the person who couldn&#8217;t get elected and now spends his free time spreading BS on these blogs!!!!!  I see the only consistent hit piece you hold onto tightly is the fact MacLean got arrested at UCI.  It appears he made a mistake and paid dearly by no longer being employed at UCI. I&#8217;m not saying the was right or wrong but I am able to get past that point in his life and let him continue doing the yeoman&#8217;s job he has been doing for our community.  </p>
<p>When it comes to KIDS Factory, it was your Gail Reavis who wanted parents to have to pay for this program or not have in it MV!</p>
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		<title>By: Go Hawks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Go Hawks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see. Dan implies he has no idea who Marion is. Duly noted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see. Dan implies he has no idea who Marion is. Duly noted.</p>
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		<title>By: James K. Pok</title>
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		<dc:creator>James K. Pok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marion ???    So has Sherri (Butterfingers) emerged to lead this campaign of hate and abuse ???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marion ???    So has Sherri (Butterfingers) emerged to lead this campaign of hate and abuse ???</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Gilbert</title>
		<link>http://orangejuiceblog.com/2009/11/3-stooges-arrived-in-mission-viejo-last-fri-part-1-of-2/comment-page-1/#comment-111716</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SC Lawyer.
There is no question that the author of the hit piece has tarnished Dave&#039;s campaign before he even get&#039;s started.
My sense is that the author is one of those who signed his Nominating Papers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SC Lawyer.<br />
There is no question that the author of the hit piece has tarnished Dave&#8217;s campaign before he even get&#8217;s started.<br />
My sense is that the author is one of those who signed his Nominating Papers</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Gilbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go Hawks.
Dan Avery is not Marion.

Marion might be former Mayor Sherri Butterfield&#039;s husband Marion who was 5th to sign Dave Leckness&#039;s Nominating Papers.
As this point I will shift the story to part 2 of 2 where I will &quot;name names.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go Hawks.<br />
Dan Avery is not Marion.</p>
<p>Marion might be former Mayor Sherri Butterfield&#8217;s husband Marion who was 5th to sign Dave Leckness&#8217;s Nominating Papers.<br />
As this point I will shift the story to part 2 of 2 where I will &#8220;name names.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Gilbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan Avery. You are clueless but do have the distinction of being the second person to sign Dave Leckness&#039;s Nominating Papers which I reviewed at city hall earlier this morning.

For that reason Juice readers must recognize that Dan is attempting to use this blog to promote his friend and one of the two recall candidates. Interesting. Dan. As a big supporter of Lance why were you so anxious to sign his potential replacement&#039;s papers instead of devoting all your time and energy opposing the recall? 
Even Dave Leckness feels that he could do a better job than Lance based on his comments.

Folks. My name does appear second in the &quot;Notice of Intent to Circulate Recall Petition&quot; that was submitted to the city clerk on Feb 5th. 
Mr. Avery&#039;s BS comment that Dale Tyler and I signed the Petition before anyone, creating this recall expenditure, is a lie.

The petition circulator left that space open for me to consider. I was one of the last 30 or so to add my name but did not sign until weeks later and I have witnesses to my signing to verify this response. In fact council members Cathy Schlicht, John Paul Ledesma and I all signed that document in the same gathering on the same date yet the names are not consecutive as some earlier signers left blank spaces. None of us were in the first 11 listed to sign as it appears in the legal petition.
It is appropriate for the Juice to permit Dan Avery space to defend his friend Lance. And while I have no intention to delete his comments, I will call him out when he is not telling the truth.

Notice that Mr Avery is attacking Cathy Schlicht, another council member who is not the subject of the recall.
Perhaps Mr Avery can deny that Lance was handcuffed by four police at UCI which apparently didn&#039;t happen? Lance skipped over that charge in his response that will appear in our special election ballot.

Mr. Avery. When and if Cathy Schlicht runs for re-election in three years, and we cover that election, you are welcome to comment on her performance. 

Difficult for Lance to get  re-elected?  According to my research 90 percent of incumbents running for re-election do prevail. And if Lance were to win in November he would be eligible for $270,000 in lifetime health care benefits for a part time position. Source. MV Treasurer.
Mr Avery. Recall is part of Democracy. Perhaps you should read the CA Constitution. If you need a personal copy I have several and will gladly hand you one for free at the next council meeting.

And yes, many of us supported Lance MacLean in 2002. I will be the first to admit that mistake and have stated that error in vetting out his candidacy to hundreds of people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan Avery. You are clueless but do have the distinction of being the second person to sign Dave Leckness&#8217;s Nominating Papers which I reviewed at city hall earlier this morning.</p>
<p>For that reason Juice readers must recognize that Dan is attempting to use this blog to promote his friend and one of the two recall candidates. Interesting. Dan. As a big supporter of Lance why were you so anxious to sign his potential replacement&#8217;s papers instead of devoting all your time and energy opposing the recall?<br />
Even Dave Leckness feels that he could do a better job than Lance based on his comments.</p>
<p>Folks. My name does appear second in the &#8220;Notice of Intent to Circulate Recall Petition&#8221; that was submitted to the city clerk on Feb 5th.<br />
Mr. Avery&#8217;s BS comment that Dale Tyler and I signed the Petition before anyone, creating this recall expenditure, is a lie.</p>
<p>The petition circulator left that space open for me to consider. I was one of the last 30 or so to add my name but did not sign until weeks later and I have witnesses to my signing to verify this response. In fact council members Cathy Schlicht, John Paul Ledesma and I all signed that document in the same gathering on the same date yet the names are not consecutive as some earlier signers left blank spaces. None of us were in the first 11 listed to sign as it appears in the legal petition.<br />
It is appropriate for the Juice to permit Dan Avery space to defend his friend Lance. And while I have no intention to delete his comments, I will call him out when he is not telling the truth.</p>
<p>Notice that Mr Avery is attacking Cathy Schlicht, another council member who is not the subject of the recall.<br />
Perhaps Mr Avery can deny that Lance was handcuffed by four police at UCI which apparently didn&#8217;t happen? Lance skipped over that charge in his response that will appear in our special election ballot.</p>
<p>Mr. Avery. When and if Cathy Schlicht runs for re-election in three years, and we cover that election, you are welcome to comment on her performance. </p>
<p>Difficult for Lance to get  re-elected?  According to my research 90 percent of incumbents running for re-election do prevail. And if Lance were to win in November he would be eligible for $270,000 in lifetime health care benefits for a part time position. Source. MV Treasurer.<br />
Mr Avery. Recall is part of Democracy. Perhaps you should read the CA Constitution. If you need a personal copy I have several and will gladly hand you one for free at the next council meeting.</p>
<p>And yes, many of us supported Lance MacLean in 2002. I will be the first to admit that mistake and have stated that error in vetting out his candidacy to hundreds of people.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Gilbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe Schmo. Nice name.
Where did I say that Dave Leckness sent out the hit piece? 
What I did uncover is that he used an off the wall reference that appears in the hit piece in his 200 word candidate statement that was submitted to the City Clerk one day earlier than my receipt of the flyer.
Let me show the linkage:
In the referenced hit piece it reads that a new council majority will among other allegations &quot;severly curtail or entirely eliminate funding for Kid&#039;s Factory&quot;...
Now let&#039;s look at Dave&#039;s 200 word Candidate statement of Qualifications. Go to the third paragraph where it reads &quot;getting rid of Kid&#039;s factory&quot;..
Folks. I have been closely following virtually every issue in our city for the past 16 years. I do not recall any reference to the Kid&#039;s factory.
When I interviewed Dave on Nov 9th he never mentioned any concern of our after school programs no less the Kid&#039;s factory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe Schmo. Nice name.<br />
Where did I say that Dave Leckness sent out the hit piece?<br />
What I did uncover is that he used an off the wall reference that appears in the hit piece in his 200 word candidate statement that was submitted to the City Clerk one day earlier than my receipt of the flyer.<br />
Let me show the linkage:<br />
In the referenced hit piece it reads that a new council majority will among other allegations &#8220;severly curtail or entirely eliminate funding for Kid&#8217;s Factory&#8221;&#8230;<br />
Now let&#8217;s look at Dave&#8217;s 200 word Candidate statement of Qualifications. Go to the third paragraph where it reads &#8220;getting rid of Kid&#8217;s factory&#8221;..<br />
Folks. I have been closely following virtually every issue in our city for the past 16 years. I do not recall any reference to the Kid&#8217;s factory.<br />
When I interviewed Dave on Nov 9th he never mentioned any concern of our after school programs no less the Kid&#8217;s factory.</p>
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		<title>By: SC Lawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>SC Lawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve read Dave&#039;s ballot statement and the hit piece, and I agree they were written by the same person. I would call the flyer a hate piece, created by Team Leckness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read Dave&#8217;s ballot statement and the hit piece, and I agree they were written by the same person. I would call the flyer a hate piece, created by Team Leckness.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Schmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Schmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings Mr. Gilbert, I called Dave&#039;s print shop today and asked if he could fax or email me any flyers or brochures he has on his campaign. He said they were developing one as we spoke. I pressed and asked if he had anything. He said in two days he will have a beautiful brochure. So Larry, where are you getting the idea that Dave is putting out a &quot;Hit Piece&quot;? I&#039;ve know Dave and his crew at Kwik Kopy for 7 years and he&#039;s not one to bash anybody. I also checked out his candidate statement and he doesn&#039;t mention anybody&#039;s name but his own. It looks like you&#039;re trying to make him into something he&#039;s not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings Mr. Gilbert, I called Dave&#8217;s print shop today and asked if he could fax or email me any flyers or brochures he has on his campaign. He said they were developing one as we spoke. I pressed and asked if he had anything. He said in two days he will have a beautiful brochure. So Larry, where are you getting the idea that Dave is putting out a &#8220;Hit Piece&#8221;? I&#8217;ve know Dave and his crew at Kwik Kopy for 7 years and he&#8217;s not one to bash anybody. I also checked out his candidate statement and he doesn&#8217;t mention anybody&#8217;s name but his own. It looks like you&#8217;re trying to make him into something he&#8217;s not.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Avery</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Avery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who is Marion.  Dan Avery is my real name, unlike you there Go Hawks.  I stand by my words.  The photo of Cathy appeared in my blog on Open Salon.  You really should try to keep up, dude.  

http://open.salon.com/blog/daniel_avery/2009/11/16/if_i_only_had_a_brain</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is Marion.  Dan Avery is my real name, unlike you there Go Hawks.  I stand by my words.  The photo of Cathy appeared in my blog on Open Salon.  You really should try to keep up, dude.  </p>
<p><a href="http://open.salon.com/blog/daniel_avery/2009/11/16/if_i_only_had_a_brain" rel="nofollow">http://open.salon.com/blog/daniel_avery/2009/11/16/if_i_only_had_a_brain</a></p>
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		<title>By: Go Hawks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Go Hawks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is &quot;Avery&quot; also known as Marion? How is it that &quot;Avery&quot; bragged about the same photo that Marion sent on a hate flyer that is now tied to the campaign of Dave Leckness?

Marion seems to be engineering the train wreck mentioned above in post No. 4.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is &#8220;Avery&#8221; also known as Marion? How is it that &#8220;Avery&#8221; bragged about the same photo that Marion sent on a hate flyer that is now tied to the campaign of Dave Leckness?</p>
<p>Marion seems to be engineering the train wreck mentioned above in post No. 4.</p>
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