Let us now remember Orange Juice Blogger Terry Crowley, the conservative colossus who boldly stood astride history, yelling “Hey Vern! You drunk! Crush the ACORN nuts! Healthcare is toast! Coffee filters! Heavy breathers! Obamacare will kill your grandma! 50% of doctors will quit! It’s never gonna pass anyway and if it does Americans are gonna hate it and chase the Dems out for decades!”
Today he sulks in silent sorrow, having unsuccessfully tried to change the subject. His noble Straussian lies and polemics failed to sufficiently frighten the public who, breathing a sigh of relief that the yearlong sausagemaking fest is over, are already turning out to support the bill in ever growing numbers – before it even starts improving their lives! Just wait till summer and fall. Oh, I suppose that won’t be good for Republicans like Terry. Oh well, let us leave him in his mourning now and look at the latest polls.
Gallup – 49% SUPPORT, 40% OPPOSE. But even more clear, this CNN poll from a few days earlier breaks down the “oppose” – 52% either SUPPORTED the bill or thought it should be more “liberal”; while 43% opposed. I wish Gallup had broken down the “oppose” that way. Don’t worry progressives, we’ll be making it more “liberal” as the months go by!
And here’s how the Dems finally managed this thing (I posted this a couple months ago, but now it’s less exhortation than celebration:
I’m quite surprised the right-wing Republicans who post messages on this blog aren’t far more sympathetic to you given major components of the so-called “health care reform” bill President Barack Obama signed into law today is mostly modeled on legislation backed by “radical leftists” like former House Majority Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Georgia), Senator Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), former Governor Mitt Romney (R-Mass), and Senator John McCain (R-Arizona):
http://www.scpr.org/news/2010/02/15/republicans-spurn-once-favored-health-mandate/
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/111536.php
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008213
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/03/23/1544321_individual-health-insurance-mandate.html
“Major components is mostly modeled on legislation backed by” some Republicans – true enough Duane. This is the best that could be done in Washington this year, and it took moving heaven and earth. I’m gonna see you tomorrow in the comments section of your last post, because I’m getting tired of far-left stone throwers (although it’s admittedly a novelty on this blog.)
For now, I wonder if you know that Noam Chomsky said of the bill Monday, “If I were in Congress, I’d probably hold my nose and vote for it, because the alternative of not passing it is worse, bad as this bill is. Unfortunately, that’s the reality.” http://rawstory.com/2010/03/noam-chomsky-health-bill/ But you’re more pure than Noam Chomsky, Dennis Kucinich or Bernie Sanders.
I’d like single payer in the US myself this year. I’d also like this:
Vern,
I’m sure we’ll hear from Terry when he recovers from his apoplectic fit ( fortunately for Terry we passed health care reform, otherwise I’m sure his apoplexy would’ve been considered a “pre-existing condition” ).
I don’t know if you saw this; http://www.streetprophets.com/story/2010/3/22/175451/738
I’d love to see you do a post about it.
Wow, Anonster. That one is for the ages, or for this age at least.
I’m reluctant to just do another copy-n-paster of someone else’s work… maybe after I write another masterpiece of my own. For now, I’d just urge everyone to click on it.
http://www.streetprophets.com/story/2010/3/22/175451/738
“Straussian lies”?
I almost laughed. Please elaborate. Is this a reference to Johann Jr. (waltzing) or Richard (big blasts of sarcastic sound)?
Zenger, LOL! That would be funny. NOT Blue-Danube Johann Strauss NOR Zarathustra Richard Strauss, both of whom we hear in 2001 A Space Odyssey.
Today’s generation of “conservatives” especially the neocons behind Bush and Cheney were profoundly influenced by political philosopher Leo Strauss. (One link http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5010.htm ) One of his tenets was that the ignorant populace must be led by a noble elite, who sometimes must lie to the people about the reasons for their actions, to keep their support. We saw this in action when our “noble elite” whipped us up for an invasion of Iraq, with tall tales of WMD, Saddam-AlQaeda connections, and Middle East Democracy Domino Theories.
If you’ve noticed, Crowley knowingly repeats all his lies, no matter how many times I and others correct him. I’m trying to impute some philosophical basis to this trait of his, without just calling him a lying liar who lies.
Cheers!
Now I wanna go look for the other Strausses…
Republicans turned off by size of Obama’s package.
http://archive.easternecho.com/content/republicans-turned-size-obamas-package?page=2
That’s strange, gericault. Don’t you remember when Gordon Liddy, Peggy Noonan, and even goofy Chris Matthews, were very turned ON by the size of Bush’s package as he bounced around the USS Abraham Lincoln? Maybe it’s the melanin that turns them off. (Except for Chris “thrill up the leg” Matthews.)
what are smoking far left vern , did you get those numbers from rachel maddow and msnbc . poll after , after poll after poll , americans did not want this . maybe your buddies from the daily kooks gave you those numbers .
Grate One – LOL! You’re right! You’re right and I’m right, how do you like those apples?
I’m talking about the TWO MOST RECENT polls. You’re familiar with the ones you liked, where Americans were just getting sick of the health care thing not getting done, and believing all the Republican lies about it. In the past week they’ve become much more familiar with what’s actually in the bill, and see that it actually HAS got done.
As I mentioned, I believe the support will go up even higher when people see how the bill will benefit them. Now don’t go off getting apoplectic like Terry now! (Look it up.)
THE STRAUSSES.
RICHARD:
JOHANN:
LEO:
“Leo Strauss endorsed “noble lies”:
myths used by political leaders
seeking to maintain a cohesive society.”
ANY QUESTIONS?
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/03/if-theres-bounce-will-it-hold.html
The polling on this issue is premature but the trend should be creating pangs of fear for rational republicans. If you’re a proud member of Boehner’s “Hell No’ faction, and support John McCains “I’m taking my ball and going home” strategy, more power to you. You’ll need it.
Here’a video to remind EVERYONE how things were and how LUCKY we are to have evolved from the “chimp’ days: Bush wipes hand on Clinton’s shirt after shaking Haitians’ hands.
You know what is hilarious about all of this? (1) Not only is this new law lacking in any bi-partisan support, but its lacking in full Democrat support. (2) The Democrats have now done what “big government” Republicans could only DREAM of – require by force of law that every person in this country by a product from a private business. The Dems have become the dream party of big business. What industry will they next seek to line the pockets of at the expense of the American taxpayer? (Side note and investment tip: Forget investing in your 401k, buy health care stock.)
Grumble grumble grumble. We wasted the better part of a year trying to work with Republicans on this. Are you one of those who says that without reform that it’s not really 45,000 Americans who die each year, but only maybe 30,000?
That is probably a good stock tip right at the moment though.
For a little perspective lets remember that a recent Harris poll showed that 24% of Republicans think Obama may be the Anti-Christ and that a majority of them still think that he is Muslim. Keeping that in mind there is not much for the Dems to work with. Had there been tort reform would they suddenly think a bill from the Anti-Christ was good?
Anyway, good post post Vern, but lets not forget that the fear mongering, death panels and Marxist BS did sufficiency scare the Democrats in congress to forgo the public option. Despite this, the insurance reform that will become law is still a great first step, and a big win for this administration.
Baxter: You’re rigth, its not Marxism (which is government control of the means of production a-la GM’s bailout) . . . this healthcare bondogle is national socialism (Nazism), which is the government’s proping up of private business. Have fun with that one.
Gotta run (day job calls) I hope someone knocks off that provocation before I get back. Ciao!
To: Cherry popped Poster, You do realize why teabaggers can’t spell? I don’t know if I would be praising their talking points.
Differences by education
These replies are also strongly correlated with education. The less education people have had the more likely they are to believe all of these statements. Consider these differences between those with no college education and those with post-graduate education:
He is a socialist (45% and 20%)
He wants to take away Americans’ right to own guns (45% and 19%)
He is a Muslim (43% and 9%)
He was not born in the United States so is not eligible to be president (32% and 7%)
He is a racist (28% and 9%)
He is anti-American (27% and 9%)
He is doing many of the things Hitler did (24% and 10%).
After reviewing these findings, John Avlon comments, “These new numbers are shocking but not surprising – they detail the extent to which Wingnuts are hijacking our politics. This poll should be a wake-up call to all Americans about the real costs of using fear and hate to pump up hyper-partisanship. We are playing with dynamite by demonizing our president and dividing our country in the process. Americans need to remember the perspective that Wingnuts always forget – patriotism is more important than partisanship.”
Read more: http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/ldquowingnutsrdquo-and-president-obama,1218529.shtml#ixzz0j797yBJD
Gerrycurl,
You do realize why leftist coffee filters are so arrogant and stupid, dont you? Those without High School degrees voted for Al Gore and John Kerry by wide margins. And those so called educated classes you speak of? 72% percent of people with post-graduate degrees believed in miracles and 78% percent believe in the survival of the soul after death. Those elitists just can’t get their heads out of their asses, it seems. The average hardworking American family person just doesn’t have anything in common with the likes of you. Apparently, that bothers you quite a bit. Maybe you ought to relax the class superiority bit, or I will really teach you a few things.
In all, Heavy Breathers like yourself just never get around to dealing with reality. Leftists believe in separation of church and state because they hate religion, even while practicing their own. You’ve got your creation myth, your holy writ (roe v wade), martyrs like alger hiss and mumia jumal, and the clergy of public teachers to pass it on.
And there isn’t one difference between Barack Obama and the Social Democrat party of any european nation. Name one. They call themselves socialists. Get over it. You are what you are. Quit the thumb sucking just because you’re called out.
You surround yourself with the Truthers, the Warmers, the Section 8ers, the Gay Marriage Exclusivists, the Bible banners and all the rest of the Hate America first crowd. You don’t really expect to be taken seriously, do you?
Vern buddy, step in for this guy, he makes your side look bad.
By the way, Baxter, let’s not forget that its Leftists who are living in a fundamentally different worldview than folks in the middle or on the right.
From my original article
They believe that America is unfair and discriminatory, and that our foreign policy is better guided by our allies and neighbors. Their core consituency believes that opposition to health care is racism.
What is most telling is that these are voters who are more likely to be disdainful of the Democratic Party and especially Obama. They have changed their favorability of Obama so much that Hillary Clinton is now more popular. They are the 31% who are most likely to believe the country is on the right track, and they want to keep it that way. They are part of the cause of the House slipping completely out of the Presidents control and having to spend much of his political capitol maneuvering with Nancy Pelosi and the carpet chewers on their radical agenda. These were the core voters dedicated to seeing George Bush and the country lose a war.
These are the voters who have turned since August from believing America is fair and decent simply because their radical leftist agendas were not satisfactorily implemented. All this adds up to a powerful combination of motives and emotions that the Democrats and the country as a whole cannot ignore. They see any opposition to their methods and policies as not being on the basis of rational ideas but about racism or bigotry. Despite the fact that the Democrat lead over the GOP is now the lowest in five years because of the radical big government agenda, they show only signs of blaming Democrats for failure.
Increasingly, on government spying and faith-based initiatives, and heaping praise on the death penalty and hand guns, they find Obama has betrayed their cause. He has supported offshore drilling, restarted Bush-era military tribunals for some Guantanamo detainees and will, probably, intensify the war in Afghanistan. To quote Liberals Against Obama, “he is a sellout”. All this might explain why a Senior White House Advisor can get away with quoting Mao Ze-Dong and the state run media barely tweets. Sure, Anita Dunn can come out later and say that her statement:
“The third lesson and tip actually comes from two of my favorite political philosophers: Mao Tse-tung and Mother Theresa — not often coupled with each other, but the two people I turn to most to basically deliver a simple point which is ‘you’re going to make choices; you’re going to challenge; you’re going to say why not; you’re going to figure out how to do things that have never been done before.”
was meant to be ironic. But if you’re going to defend this woman, then for a moment, pause and imagine a conservative saying one of his favorite philosophers was Adolf Hitler. Mao was a racist whose regime decimated the culture and people of Tibet because they were different. He killed 36-70 million people. He started a war. But hey, he’s got some good ideas!
The carpet chewing, Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow watching Left is now pulling serious strings on Obama and the leftist media to keep them in line and keep the process moving. No time for criticism. No time for shrinking violets. It will soon be time to lay it on the line and tell the people, “We’re just going to force it on you.”
LOL! Quick someone grab a paper towel……Terry Crow-leys head just exploded. Where’s that “mission accomplished” banner?
“let’s not forget that its Leftists who are living in a fundamentally different worldview than folks in the middle or on the right.”
Gee, thanks for your keen grasp of the obvious.
(Shake head sadly) Why do I bother? I always tell myself I won’t comment on the Posts anymore. Its just playing in the cat litter with the retards. Read my posts. That’s all I have to say.
That’s right First Timer, when we think of the terrible things the Nazis did, the first thing that comes to mind is their relationship to private business.
Terry, if you mean that by not believing that Obama a hybrid of the Anti-Christ, Stalin, Hitler and Bin-Laden I see the world differently that most Republicans and Teabaggers, you are correct.
Logic tells me that most people wanted to pass the health care bill. I don’t need polls to tell me the obvious. Anyone claiming that most people were/are against the bill is not being honest to themselves.
I think it’s a complicated issue, but at the end of the day, I supported the bill. It’s a right thing to do and I admire Obama/Pelosi and all the well hung Dems with big balls for getting the job done.
Bax: For those who are educated, that should be the first thing that comes to mind when one thinks critically of Nazism (as a German political party). After all, it was the entrenchment of business/industry under government control that gave rise to the ability of the regime to enact the insidious and genocidal “final solution.” Its only morons who think Nazism is just about genocide. Its so much more evil . . .
And again, I challenge you to distinguish a government policy that requires every person to buy a private product from national socialism. You cannot.
this healthcare bondogle [sic] is national socialism (Nazism), which is the government’s proping [sic] up of private business.
Wow. That does sound like a problem.
Government helping business = national socialism = Nazism = little mustaches and Jews in ovens.
But wait a second.
Was your boy GWB a Nazi then when he bailed out Wall Street, and steered so much business to Halliburton? Was his Dad a Nazi when he bailed out the Savings & Loans? All the money GE, Ford, big steel, for a century? The tariffs placed in the early 19th century to protect our textile makers?
MEIN GOTT! We’ve been Nazis forever! SIEGHEIL!!!
Wait the bill is now bipartisan http://networkedblogs.com/1DfQC
Can you guess the first (of, almost certainly, many) Republican legislator to come out and publicly take credit for the recently passed health care reform bill that a grand total of zero of them voted for and that they are even now using their best kindergarten tactics to try to derail?
If you said Sen. Chuck Grassley — proud Cassandra of the death panel horrors — then you’re either a genius or you read the headline of this post…
In the memo send out to reporters by his staff on on the Senate Finance Commitee, Grassley claims that the bill will ensure that “Congress, the IRS, and the public will now have additional tools and information to ensure that charitable hospitals act charitably.”
There’s a reason the bill is so good when it comes to hospitals, Grassley’s staff writes — bipartisanship.
“The health care legislation signed into law yesterday includes provisions Grassley co-authored to impose standards for the tax exemption of charitable hospitals for the first time,” his Finance Committee press staff writes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
Vern: Thanks for the corrections. Unlike some, I have a job and limited time to post. I also don’t have a way to easily spell check these posts (though it would be easy enough for the blog to include that functionality before posting). But I assure you that my ego isn’t rubbed by your sophomoric efforts to “correct” me; my advance degree and high paying job manage to convince me I need not loose sleep over that. (BTW, for future reference, while “sic” is appropriately italiziced as a latinized term, the brackets you use to off-set the term should never be italicized.)
But, to the point, we’re not talking about GWB are we. That is a pure red herring. You don’t whether or not I am a Republican. So, how can you expect me to comment and/or defend GWB? Further, even if I am a Republican, how can you presume I supported him to begin with? No, the real issue of this blog entry is BHO and HIS policies and those policies are indeed of the national socialist ilk. Like it or not, your comment and its analogy actually supported my point. D’Oh!
No, the red herring, sir, is not GWB, but your picking him out and ignoring the rest of my entire 200-year sweep of American history which aims to show that our government has ALWAYS helped or “propped up” important American businesses, and to suddenly call it NAZISM when a President you don’t like does it is the rankest sophistry.
Pardon the “sics”, I know you’re smart, I was just feeling irritated with you. You are not making the swastika stick, sir.
Shit, I’m sounding like Olbermann today. I take back one of those “sirs.”
🙂 Thanks for taking back one of the “sirs”.
But yes, the ONLY issue is BHO. And your 200 year sweep was pretty heavy on the last 20 years. Like it or not, this boondoggle and pork-o-rama is national socialism. Whether our history supports a march towards if full-steam-ahead or through Fabian incrementalism, it makes the term no less correct.
Given that you think my use of the terms Nazi and national socialism are too hyperbolic, I wonder if you find any hypocrisy at all in the pictures used by this very blog to poke fun at the SA City Council candidate Tom Gordon. Were I too believe this blog, it would appear he too is a Nazi. But then, that is pure hyperbole; terming goverment coercion of private individuals to buy a product is not.
pictures used by this very blog to poke fun at the SA City Council candidate Tom Gordon.
I’m starting to think we have two parallel blogs going on here; Me and Crowley tearing each other new ones over the issues of the day, and the other guys tearing each other new ones over I don’t know what. Best for me to make no comment on Gordon, lest I be drawn into what Mr. Bushala memorably called “the byzantine and highly bitter world of Santa Ana politics.”