You can say what you want Art, but I doubt it’s a long held belief of yours. Seriously Art, you’re not the same man you were a year ago. When I first got on here, you more or less taught me to not take this board too seriously. Hell, you were proud to be the King of spin, saying you’re too good at it. It was fun to you, and you took pride in allowing free speech on here over those guys at Red County and Liberaloc. Now you just post nonsense using multiple aliases and deleting posts that challenge your reasoning and integrity. You just don’t have it anymore, your posts come across mean and ignorant.
I don’t have a problem with police officers doing random Sobriety checks. I also don’t necessarily have a problem with Red Light Cameras. Both are Safety issues.
What I have a problem is HOW and WHERE they decide to post the Sobriety Checks, and the Red Light Cameras. I have a problem if they are Disproportionately targeting a community under the “color of law”.
For example, I lived in Laguna Niguel before moving to Santa Ana. And I saw a lot of traffic violations…Running of red lights, Speeding, not really stopping at Stop Signs and speeding through them. And many of these violations were near or in the school zones.
Every now and then I ride a motorcycle. And I found out that I had to be an even MORE defensive driver in Laguna Niguel than in Santa Ana.
So my point is, if you are going to attack the issue of Sobriety Checks, or Red Light Cameras, do it in a consistent and fair manner, and in a way that truly addresses the issue, and not in a way that targets community.
If police are doing sobriety checks then make sure they do it primarily in and around bar areas, because they are more likely to be doing Drinking and Driving, then if they are at a residential area.
@Michelle Q #47:
You State,
“Mr. F. The problem is that all whites are considered racist if they oppose the obvious racist rants of the brown. It has become a one way street and that needs to stop.”
My Response:
1) You can fight racism, bigotry or irrational hate, without making it a TWO-Way street, and I would commend you for it.
2) In my opinion, calling-out a racist or a bigot, is not racism or bigotry- and this IS NOT a two-way street. However, responding with racism or bigotry IS racism or bigotry.
You also State:
“I do believe in this country the [BROWN] have become very good at getting their way by using the victimization card. I do believe that rich [WHITE] American’s benefit from the entitlements that the brown ( especially) in California are showered with from the feds and state Government. I believe this countries [BROWN] people need a major reality check!
My Response:
3) Please share the FACTS where the BROWN “have become very good at getting their way by using the victimization card.” And then I can evaluate your OPINION against the Facts.
4) Also, please share the FACTS that give rise to your belief that rich WHITE “American’s benefit from the entitlements that the BROWN… are showered with”
5) What kind of major reality check do this country’s BROWN need? Please elaborate. What are the FACTS behind your statement that this country’s BROWN need this?
I ask this because you are making framing this in White and Brown terms.
” Please share the FACTS where the BROWN “have become very good at getting their way by using the victimization card.” And then I can evaluate your OPINION against the Facts.”
MQ says:
God where to start…Tea party people (mostly white) who peacefully march are called Racists ect.. Pro-illegal immigrant marches throwing bottles at the police are just the YOUTH acting up. Whites are called trailer trash, while brown are called the underserved, vulnerable and needy. Just the fact that I am being truthful makes me a racist. God forbid I should write such things!
“) Please share the FACTS where the BROWN “have become very good at getting their way by using the victimization card.” And then I can evaluate your OPINION against the Facts.”
Caloptima would be a good example. Healthy families, Health alliance, MOMS, ect…. I could go on and on. It is obvious to me, why Rich WHITE AND BROWN Americans just lovvvvvvve illegal immigrants (especially if the are BROWN) minority can translate to CASH!
“What kind of major reality check do this country’s BROWN need? Please elaborate. What are the FACTS behind your statement that this country’s BROWN need this?
MQ says:
Being brown is a plus, being a loser is not!
88% of black women are single mothers. There are a large majority of black men who abandon their children. In Santa Ana the fastest growing population are underage mother/single mothers (latin)
My reality check is = There is a correlation between single mothers on welfare and their kids getting involved in gangs and crime.
I advise you:
To keep your kickers on, until you meet the man that will stay with you and your children!
Do not waste time with MIchelle. Just understand the agenda. The comments from her are intended to demonize a population using isolated fringe groups as her proof of grouping a nationality as negative.
I know you understand this. Attack her irrationality. Do not try to reason with her. Specially asking her for facts. She is only full of personal opinions.
I am not demonizing any one, just pointing out the bad behavior. It is a FACT that 88% of black women are unwed mothers. It is a FACT that hispanic girls are the fastest growing unwed population. It is a fact that we have a serious problem in Santa Ana as far as teen pregnancies are concerned. Sticking Your head in the sand, because of your misguided and blissful ignorance toward your race is not a solution, but the enabling of a serious social problem, that effects us all!
Ask me facts and I will give you them, ask me to be politically correct and it will not happen!
“I don’t worry much about some anon guy whose name translates to “more soup.””
LMAO… Sorry Art, you’re right. I should be more creative and call myself Zorro. Better yet, I should post using multiple names on the same thread to make it look like I have more support than I really do. Maybe I too will put on a mask and call myself KATO, that certainly will make message more relevant.
More like that annoying kid in Indiana Jones 2. What was his name? Short Round? Half Chop? Can’t recall. Been a long time since I saw that awful movie.
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You can say what you want Art, but I doubt it’s a long held belief of yours. Seriously Art, you’re not the same man you were a year ago. When I first got on here, you more or less taught me to not take this board too seriously. Hell, you were proud to be the King of spin, saying you’re too good at it. It was fun to you, and you took pride in allowing free speech on here over those guys at Red County and Liberaloc. Now you just post nonsense using multiple aliases and deleting posts that challenge your reasoning and integrity. You just don’t have it anymore, your posts come across mean and ignorant.
Lam,
Whatever. That’s your opinion. I don’t worry much about some anon guy whose name translates to “more soup.”
@Michelle Q #52:
I don’t have a problem with police officers doing random Sobriety checks. I also don’t necessarily have a problem with Red Light Cameras. Both are Safety issues.
What I have a problem is HOW and WHERE they decide to post the Sobriety Checks, and the Red Light Cameras. I have a problem if they are Disproportionately targeting a community under the “color of law”.
For example, I lived in Laguna Niguel before moving to Santa Ana. And I saw a lot of traffic violations…Running of red lights, Speeding, not really stopping at Stop Signs and speeding through them. And many of these violations were near or in the school zones.
Every now and then I ride a motorcycle. And I found out that I had to be an even MORE defensive driver in Laguna Niguel than in Santa Ana.
So my point is, if you are going to attack the issue of Sobriety Checks, or Red Light Cameras, do it in a consistent and fair manner, and in a way that truly addresses the issue, and not in a way that targets community.
If police are doing sobriety checks then make sure they do it primarily in and around bar areas, because they are more likely to be doing Drinking and Driving, then if they are at a residential area.
Francisco “Paco” Barragan
@Michelle Q #47:
You State,
“Mr. F. The problem is that all whites are considered racist if they oppose the obvious racist rants of the brown. It has become a one way street and that needs to stop.”
My Response:
1) You can fight racism, bigotry or irrational hate, without making it a TWO-Way street, and I would commend you for it.
2) In my opinion, calling-out a racist or a bigot, is not racism or bigotry- and this IS NOT a two-way street. However, responding with racism or bigotry IS racism or bigotry.
You also State:
“I do believe in this country the [BROWN] have become very good at getting their way by using the victimization card. I do believe that rich [WHITE] American’s benefit from the entitlements that the brown ( especially) in California are showered with from the feds and state Government. I believe this countries [BROWN] people need a major reality check!
My Response:
3) Please share the FACTS where the BROWN “have become very good at getting their way by using the victimization card.” And then I can evaluate your OPINION against the Facts.
4) Also, please share the FACTS that give rise to your belief that rich WHITE “American’s benefit from the entitlements that the BROWN… are showered with”
5) What kind of major reality check do this country’s BROWN need? Please elaborate. What are the FACTS behind your statement that this country’s BROWN need this?
I ask this because you are making framing this in White and Brown terms.
Francisco “Paco” Barragan
Orange County
” Please share the FACTS where the BROWN “have become very good at getting their way by using the victimization card.” And then I can evaluate your OPINION against the Facts.”
MQ says:
God where to start…Tea party people (mostly white) who peacefully march are called Racists ect.. Pro-illegal immigrant marches throwing bottles at the police are just the YOUTH acting up. Whites are called trailer trash, while brown are called the underserved, vulnerable and needy. Just the fact that I am being truthful makes me a racist. God forbid I should write such things!
“) Please share the FACTS where the BROWN “have become very good at getting their way by using the victimization card.” And then I can evaluate your OPINION against the Facts.”
Caloptima would be a good example. Healthy families, Health alliance, MOMS, ect…. I could go on and on. It is obvious to me, why Rich WHITE AND BROWN Americans just lovvvvvvve illegal immigrants (especially if the are BROWN) minority can translate to CASH!
“What kind of major reality check do this country’s BROWN need? Please elaborate. What are the FACTS behind your statement that this country’s BROWN need this?
MQ says:
Being brown is a plus, being a loser is not!
88% of black women are single mothers. There are a large majority of black men who abandon their children. In Santa Ana the fastest growing population are underage mother/single mothers (latin)
My reality check is = There is a correlation between single mothers on welfare and their kids getting involved in gangs and crime.
I advise you:
To keep your kickers on, until you meet the man that will stay with you and your children!
Sorry, a little crude, but a major reality check!
Francisco,
Do not waste time with MIchelle. Just understand the agenda. The comments from her are intended to demonize a population using isolated fringe groups as her proof of grouping a nationality as negative.
I know you understand this. Attack her irrationality. Do not try to reason with her. Specially asking her for facts. She is only full of personal opinions.
The fact is Dr. L you can’t handle the facts!
I am not demonizing any one, just pointing out the bad behavior. It is a FACT that 88% of black women are unwed mothers. It is a FACT that hispanic girls are the fastest growing unwed population. It is a fact that we have a serious problem in Santa Ana as far as teen pregnancies are concerned. Sticking Your head in the sand, because of your misguided and blissful ignorance toward your race is not a solution, but the enabling of a serious social problem, that effects us all!
Ask me facts and I will give you them, ask me to be politically correct and it will not happen!
I would give my own girls the same advise!
http://www.ocgrandjury.org/pdfs/teenpreg/teen-preg.pdf
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2001/05/Understanding-Differences-in-Black-and-White-Child-Poverty-Rates
“I don’t worry much about some anon guy whose name translates to “more soup.””
LMAO… Sorry Art, you’re right. I should be more creative and call myself Zorro. Better yet, I should post using multiple names on the same thread to make it look like I have more support than I really do. Maybe I too will put on a mask and call myself KATO, that certainly will make message more relevant.
Lam,
Bruce Lee was Kato. You’re no Bruce Lee.
More like that annoying kid in Indiana Jones 2. What was his name? Short Round? Half Chop? Can’t recall. Been a long time since I saw that awful movie.
http://amyalkon.mensnewsdaily.com/2009/04/27/why-are-so-many-black-children-fatherless/
In looking at many statistics most are pointing to about 72 %, So I will say instead of 88%, 72% is a more realistic number!
“UN rights experts criticize Arizona law…
They also said they are concerned about the enactment of a law prohibiting Arizona school programs featuring the histories and cultures of ethnic minorities because everyone has the right to learn about his own cultural and linguistic heritage.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100511/ap_on_re_eu/un_un_arizona_immigration_2
Everyone does have the right to learn their cultural and linguistic heritage from their PARENTS!
School should be the place to learn MATH, ENGLISH. You know the BASICS!
And please if the UN told me to jump, I would sit!
The UN is made up of fools, idiots and the corrupt!
Art, it was “Short Round”. I had to look it up:)
http://www.csuchico.edu/cjhp/1/2/118-129-driscoll.pdf
Just trying to get you some FACTS!
Yikes! This post is over 10 years old! How’d you find it?