The L.A. Times reported yesterday that Congressman Dana Rohrabacher visited Catalina Island this week, where he harassed the Mexican Consult who was involved in preparing legal matricula consular I.D. cards for Mexican citizens.
The Mexican consul’s office first offered the photo identification cards to local illegal immigrant workers two years ago, setting up shop for a day in the upscale Catalina Island Country Club restaurant. The matricula cards can be used to establish credit, open bank accounts, buy insurance and apply for government services.
Rohrabacher said a lot of stupid things, including “Where you have illegal immigration, crime and drugs are sure to follow.”
Immigrants are not the ones using the drugs – white Americans are. Even at UCSB, which is lily white, students are dying of heroin overdoses.
And there is plenty of crime in Rohrabacher’s district that is commited by non-Latinos.
Rohrabacher forced the Consul to move out of a local restaurant, as apparently the restaurant did not have federal approval to host the Consul’s operations. The Consul then moved to a church. Rohrabacher followed. Check out this exchange:
At 10 a.m., Rohrabacher and an assistant strode into the church to personally express his concerns, raising eyebrows. Rohrabacher was greeted by Deputy Consul General Juan Carlos Mendoza Sanchez of Los Angeles in the middle of a room where Mexican specialists were typing information into laptop computers from two dozen men and women seeking their services.
But all eyes were on Rohrabacher and Sanchez, who launched into a carefully worded dialogue, expressing strongly opposing opinions.
Standing inches apart, Sanchez told Rohrabacher, “We have a lot of respect for you. At the same time, we have certain responsibilities.”
Rohrabcher responded: “I understand that. But there is a problem in our country; there are too many illegals here.”
“This is not done with any type of belligerency,” Rohrabacher added, referring to his unannounced visit.
“Everyone has their own point of view,” Sanchez said. “We are performing this activity under international law.”
“Well, that will be decided in Washington and Mexico City,” Rohrabacher said.
This idiot Rohrabacher is stalking foreign dignitaries! The Obama administration cannot allow that to happen. And Pelosi ought to censure him.
he has lost his mind… immigrants are not using drugs . white america is . haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa check the s.a jail some time zorito .
horra for dana . he went down there to try and stop the mexican gov from giving out . matricular cards . they where giving them out like candy and catalina all of sudden had a mexican invasion… pedroza the supporter of illegals and law breakers im sure is in favor of . in sure they dint want to turn lovely catalina into santa ana in tis current condintion .
What part of “legal” doesn’t the grate one understand – perhaps he should picket his corporate masters – according to the news the banks seem to love them – see below:
The “FDIC says about $18 billion is wired annually from the U.S. to Mexico. Many U.S. banks have welcomed the IDs as a way to get a cut of this activity by profiting from the handling charges on the wires and increased deposits.” Early in 2009, despite a global recession, a bank teller at Chevy Chase Bank quit his job when the bank announced that it would accept the MCAS cards as identification. The bank is promoting the event as an “Hispanic Banking Initiative.
On September 14, 2004, the United States Congress voted down a motion to prevent financial institutions from accepting consular IDs.
larry i am lost with you i am against this are you for it .
Way to tell him Art!
A term used to identify people who help others do things that are illegal or harmful to themselves (such as helping under age kids buy booze) is “enabler”. As described in this post, the Consul General is an enabler of illegal immigration. He should be kicked out of the USA for engaging in such enabling activities.
Zorro, you are seriously misguided. Dana is finally doing what most Americans would like to do. Tell the illegals and their sympathizers to go home and apply for citizenship the way it’s supposed to be done.
The statement below is laughable. Obama can’t stop Dana from doing what he’s doing, nor can Pelosi censure him. Zorro, you are seriously delusional. There is no way this can be a serious political blog.
“This idiot Rohrabacher is stalking foreign dignitaries! The Obama administration cannot allow that to happen. And Pelosi ought to censure him.”
Grate one,
I’m for smaller government and lower taxes – if my bank can live with it so can I. If a couple of employers who hire illegals were taken out and shot (well maybe something less drastic) that would put an end to that activity. Based on the current unemployment rate it seems enough people are available to fill the jobs that only illegals seem to take – especially if that work was made a condition of an unemployment check or immigration.
leo yes he has really gone off his rocker . so much for the mexican goverment TRYING TO STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION . yeah right… he calderon wants to send as many of his kind over here so they can send back as much money as they can to help his ecomny .
i read this morning that orange is going to become a rule of law city . heck after MOST of the cities become a RULE OF LAW CITIES . . i guess pedroza will call them all racist . and los angeles and santa ana can take in ALL THE ILLEGALS .
Must have been a slow news day in the asteroid-watch beltway…Dorky Dana could easily be distracted by an asteroid predicted to collide with his cobwebbed office in downtown HB. Then he’d be there with his tinfoil hat and parasol to protect us!
I heard also that Mexican Consul office’s give advise to illegal immigrants how to apply for social services ie… food stamps, Calworks.
It is a bloody disgrace!
You know whats a digrace americans living off food stamps and all the social services they provide. Even with all that they are provided with they are still in the streets asking for money!!!
For a guy thats missed over a HUNDRED house votes this past session, thats a pretty aggressive stand.
This stunt was designed to gather a couple more votes from what promises to be a low turn out election.
What does the Great One and Michelle think of him dressing up in womans clothing an visiting a jail? This guy is a windbag.
yes dana can be strange but this is a good thing he is doing . going after the corrupt mexican goverment .
Dana stranger than the Grate One? Well, I guess it’s all a question of degree:
you want strange vern look in the miror
“Where you have illegal immigration, crime and drugs are sure to follow.”
I’m sure that Native Americans agree with this. Time for all the criminal drug taking Europeans to go home.
Michelle Quinn
Posted June 6, 2010 at 10:32 AM
I heard also that Mexican Consul office’s give advise to illegal immigrants how to apply for social services ie… food stamps, Calworks.
It is a bloody disgrace!
THE BLOODY DISGRACE IS YOUR INABILITY TO TELL FACTS.
You are a disgracefull LIAR.
Taxing Undocumented Immigrants: Separate, Unequal and Without Representation
Francine J. Lipman
Chapman University – School of Law
Tax Lawyer, Spring 2006
Harvard Latino Law Review, Spring 2006
Chapman University Law Research Paper No. 06-20
Abstract:
Americans believe that undocumented immigrants are exploiting the United States’ economy. The widespread belief is that illegal aliens cost more in government services than they contribute to the economy. This belief is undeniably false. [E]very empirical study of illegals’ economic impact demonstrates the opposite . . .: undocumenteds actually contribute more to public coffers in taxes than they cost in social services. Moreover, undocumented immigrants contribute to the U.S. economy through their investments and consumption of goods and services; filling of millions of essential worker positions resulting in subsidiary job creation, increased productivity and lower costs of goods and services; and unrequited contributions to Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance programs. Eighty-five percent of eminent economists surveyed have concluded that undocumented immigrants have had a positive (seventy-four percent) or neutral (eleven percent) impact on the U.S. economy.
Undocumented immigrants, like all U.S. citizens and residents, are required to pay taxes. Despite the historic and strong American opposition to taxation without representation, undocumented immigrants (except in rare and unusual cases) have not enjoyed the right to vote on any local, state or federal tax or other matter for almost eighty years. Nevertheless, each year undocumented immigrants add billions of dollars in sales, excise, property, income and payroll taxes, including Social Security, Medicare and unemployment taxes, to federal, state and local coffers. Hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants go out of their way to file annual federal and state income tax returns.
Yet undocumented immigrants are barred from almost all government benefits, including food stamps, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, Medicaid, federal housing programs, Supplemental Security Income, Unemployment Insurance, Social Security, Medicare, and the earned income tax credit (EITC). Generally, the only benefits federally required for undocumented immigrants are emergency medical care, subject to financial and category eligibility, and elementary and secondary public education. Many undocumented immigrants will not even access these few critical government services because of their ever-present fear of government officials and deportation.
Undocumented immigrants living in the United States are subject to the same income tax laws as documented immigrants and U.S. citizens. However, because of their status most unauthorized workers pay a higher effective tax rate than similarly situated documented or U.S. citizens. Yet, these workers and their families use fewer government services than similarly situated documented immigrants or U.S. citizens. Moreover, unauthorized workers have been denied remedies by the U.S. Supreme Court under the National Labor Relations Act and may be challenged to receive protection under wage and hour, anti-discrimination and workers’ compensation laws. As a result, undocumented immigrants provide a fiscal windfall and may be the most fiscally beneficial of all immigrants.
Despite their net positive contribution to public coffers, hundreds of thousands of immigrants enter the U.S. each year without documents because of impracticable quota and labor certification requirements. These immigration restrictions combined with the additional tax or tariff on undocumented immigrants are inconsistent with economically efficient immigration policy. Moreover, the high effective tax rate imposed on the poorest undocumented working families relative to their less unfortunate friends and neighbors is inconsistent with fundamental tax policy. This Article describes and analyzes the separate, unequal and unrepresented federal taxation of undocumented immigrants.
Keywords: undocumented immigrants, tax, earned income tax credit, uniform definition of a child, child tax credit, immigration policy, tax policy, welfare
“Rohrabacher said a lot of stupid things, including “Where you have illegal immigration, crime and drugs are sure to follow.”
Yes it is a stupid,ignorant and bigoted lie for his political benefit.
We should be ashamed to have Rohrabacher ,a public servant , spewing lies to a foreign governmental official. It makes the USA seem foolish.
From Wikipedia:
Contrary to media narrative, crime rates in Arizona have not been on the rise
Crime rates in Arizona at lowest point in decades. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), the violent crime rate in Arizona was lower in 2006, 2007, and 2008 — the most recent year from which data are available — than any year since 1983. The property crime rate in Arizona was lower in 2006, 2007, and 2008 than any year since 1968. In addition, in Arizona, the violent crime rate dropped from 577.9 per 100,000 population in 1998 to 447 per 100,000 population in 2008; the property crime rate dropped from 5,997 to 4,291 during the same period. During the same decade, Arizona’s undocumented immigrant population grew rapidly. The Arizona Republic reported: “While the nation’s illegal-immigrant population doubled from 1994 to 2004, according to federal records, the violent-crime rate declined 35 percent.”
Arizona Republic: Crime rates in Arizona border towns “have remained essentially flat for the past decade.” In a May 2 article, The Arizona Republic reported, “FBI Uniform Crime Reports and statistics provided by police agencies, in fact, show that the crime rates in Nogales, Douglas, Yuma and other Arizona border towns have remained essentially flat for the past decade, even as drug-related violence has spiraled out of control on the other side of the international line. Statewide, rates of violent crime also are down.” The article also reported that Sheriff Dupnik “said there always has been crime associated with smuggling in southern Arizona, but today’s rhetoric does not seem to jibe with reality. ‘This is a media-created event,’ Dupnik said. ‘I hear politicians on TV saying the border has gotten worse. Well, the fact of the matter is that the border has never been more secure.'”
Chief Harris: Police already “have the tools that we need” to fight crime related to smuggling, kidnappings, home invasions
Harris: Not “true” that “the new law provides a tool for local law enforcement.” Phoenix Public Safety Manager/Police Chief Jack Harris stated during an April 30 press conference:
HARRIS: Proponents of this legislation have repeatedly said that the new law provides a tool for local law enforcement. But I don’t really believe that that’s true or accurate.
We have the tools that we need to enforce laws in this state to reduce property crime and to reduce violent crime, to go after criminals that are responsible for human smuggling, to go after criminals that are responsible for those home invasions, kidnappings, robberies, murders. We have those tools.
I have ten ICE agents embedded in the violent crimes bureau. We have a policy that allows officers to contact ICE when they need to access their databanks to further criminal investigation. I’m not sure what the tool is that this new law is providing to local law enforcement.
What I believe it is, is it provides a tool to divert our officers from investigating property crimes and violent crimes and divert their — these resources, our personnel to enforcing civil portions of federal immigration law. In other words, it takes officers away from doing what our main core mission of local law enforcement is, and that’s to make our communities safe and enforce our criminal codes in that effort.
Pima County Sheriff: “We don’t need this law.” Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik stated in an April 7 taped interview with KGUN9-TV that the law is “unnecessary” and that he won’t enforce it. He added, “We’re going to keep doing what we’ve been doing all along. We don’t need this law. We’re going to stop and detain these people for the Border Patrol.”
we should be ashamed to have dana as a public servant . NO WE SHOULD BE ASHAMED THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE LIKE GIL CEDILLO , GLORIA ROMERO , L.A CITY COUNCIL , SANTA ANA CITY COUNCIL . WHO REPRESENT MEXICO IN STEAD OF THE U.S .
grate one,
My wife and I voted for Gloria!
The great one,
The shame is that he stalks foreign dignitaries and presents lies as arguments.
Don’t you think that is beneath the dignity of a elected public servant?
It is shameful of all if that is what they are doing. You can devate their interests but you can not defend the lies Rorarbacher stated.
cmon doc do you really feel that the mexican goc is doing all it can to stop their people from coming here .
The great one,
This blog piece is not about the Mexican government. It is about Rohrabacher spewing lies for political manipulation.
You do not address his lies therefore you concede his political manipulation. You will ignore facts because his manipulation is your manipulation.
Great One,
You are dangerously close to playing the Matt “jubal” Cunningham/LOC card: Spinning this into something its not. This post while you would like to argue otherwise, is about the Congressman flying to an island of a few thousand, althewhile ignoring the issues that have plauged his district for the nearly 20 years he has represented it.
No right minded contributor can argue that the imigration issue is not of grave concern to the population at large.
As much as you may hate the other elected politicians you cite, unless, like Chris Prevatt, you claim to represent multiple constituencies, it simply does’nt matter. Gloria Romero….Come on man, you argue a good debate, but when you start sounding like a drive time host looking for ratings you lose all credibility. THIS WAS A POLITICAL STUNT ….PERIOD. If he was serious, perhaps he could start by doing his job!
http://www.bcbs.com/news/national/mexican-consulates-offer-healthcare-help.html
MQ says:
My posts were deleted regarding my response to Dr.L calling me a liar, when I am telling the truth…. I should be able to respond using facts, when I am called a liar Mr. Art. I Know you do not want these facts known. But I am showing Dr. L that I do not voice anything unless I know it is the truth!
MQ says:
If I am a liar, then what is this?
Mexico’s government operates programs in about a dozen American cities that refers its nationals—living in the U.S. illegally—to publicly funded health centers where they can get free medical care without being turned over to immigration authorities.
The program is called Ventanillas de Salud (Health Windows) in Spanish and its mission is to help illegal immigrants find U.S. hospitals, clinics and other government programs where they can get free services without being deported for violating federal immigration laws.
Chicago, Houston, Los Angeles, San Diego and Indianapolis are among the cities where Mexican consulates operate the health referral system which annually costs U.S. taxpayers billions of dollars. In Los Angeles County alone, illegal immigrants cost taxpayers nearly $440 million in health services annually and a whopping $1.1 billion statewide.
The Mexican consul in Los Angeles proudly announced that nearly 300,000 Mexicans in the area have benefited from his government’s health referral program, which he says actually saves the county money by encouraging immigrants to seek preventive care rather than waiting for more expensive emergency treatment.
The Southern California operation promises to assess “consulate clients” for eligibility to government-funded health insurance and other primary care services and offers free legal assistance to those who are denied coverage. Its goal is to improve access to health services for immigrants of Mexican origin by formalizing a health education, medical home referral and insurance enrollment program.
In Chicago, the Mexican consul’s Spanish-language web site heavily promotes the Illinois Department of Health’s low-cost prescription medicine program for illegal aliens and various free medical services throughout the state. It encourages all Mexicans in the area to pursue the valuable U.S. government-financed services for their entire family.
The Indiana-based program boasts that it serves thousands of “Mexican nationals” living in that state as well as Ohio, Kentucky and southern Illinois. Mexican officials claim that its highly successful pro-health program sends out a clear message to other Mexican consulates throughout the country and the world.
Although these programs facilitate people to remain in the country illegally, Mexico is working hard to expand them to all 47 U.S. consulates to better serve its nationals. In the meantime, U.S. taxpayers will keep picking up the exorbitant tab of medically treating the millions who live in the country illegally.
Two of my posts were deleted last night, because Mexican activist do not what this stuff known!
Michelle you psycho, nobody deletes your stupid comments…
… because Mexican activist do not what the truth known …
When are you gonna learn freakin’ English? Most Mexicans I know speak better English than you.
MQ says:
If I am a liar, then what is this?
Your message is propaganda AND LIES, Cite the studies. You can’t because there are none Read the findings below Again.
Pay attention to the part where public services are not available to illegal immigrants. These are documented facts.
YOU POST PROPAGANDA LIES.
Readers can decide between your propaganda and lies(no studies..facts) vs. documented studies. In this case by a reputable conservative university(Chapman University in Orange Ca).
Francine J. Lipman
Chapman University – School of Law
Tax Lawyer, Spring 2006
Harvard Latino Law Review, Spring 2006
Chapman University Law Research Paper No. 06-20
Abstract:
Americans believe that undocumented immigrants are exploiting the United States’ economy. The widespread belief is that illegal aliens cost more in government services than they contribute to the economy. This belief is undeniably false. [E]very empirical study of illegals’ economic impact demonstrates the opposite . . .: undocumenteds actually contribute more to public coffers in taxes than they cost in social services. Moreover, undocumented immigrants contribute to the U.S. economy through their investments and consumption of goods and services; filling of millions of essential worker positions resulting in subsidiary job creation, increased productivity and lower costs of goods and services; and unrequited contributions to Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance programs. Eighty-five percent of eminent economists surveyed have concluded that undocumented immigrants have had a positive (seventy-four percent) or neutral (eleven percent) impact on the U.S. economy.
Undocumented immigrants, like all U.S. citizens and residents, are required to pay taxes. Despite the historic and strong American opposition to taxation without representation, undocumented immigrants (except in rare and unusual cases) have not enjoyed the right to vote on any local, state or federal tax or other matter for almost eighty years. Nevertheless, each year undocumented immigrants add billions of dollars in sales, excise, property, income and payroll taxes, including Social Security, Medicare and unemployment taxes, to federal, state and local coffers. Hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants go out of their way to file annual federal and state income tax returns.
Yet undocumented immigrants are barred from almost all government benefits, including food stamps, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, Medicaid, federal housing programs, Supplemental Security Income, Unemployment Insurance, Social Security, Medicare, and the earned income tax credit (EITC). Generally, the only benefits federally required for undocumented immigrants are emergency medical care, subject to financial and category eligibility, and elementary and secondary public education. Many undocumented immigrants will not even access these few critical government services because of their ever-present fear of government officials and deportation.
Undocumented immigrants living in the United States are subject to the same income tax laws as documented immigrants and U.S. citizens. However, because of their status most unauthorized workers pay a higher effective tax rate than similarly situated documented or U.S. citizens. Yet, these workers and their families use fewer government services than similarly situated documented immigrants or U.S. citizens. Moreover, unauthorized workers have been denied remedies by the U.S. Supreme Court under the National Labor Relations Act and may be challenged to receive protection under wage and hour, anti-discrimination and workers’ compensation laws. As a result, undocumented immigrants provide a fiscal windfall and may be the most fiscally beneficial of all immigrants.
Despite their net positive contribution to public coffers, hundreds of thousands of immigrants enter the U.S. each year without documents because of impracticable quota and labor certification requirements. These immigration restrictions combined with the additional tax or tariff on undocumented immigrants are inconsistent with economically efficient immigration policy. Moreover, the high effective tax rate imposed on the poorest undocumented working families relative to their less unfortunate friends and neighbors is inconsistent with fundamental tax policy. This Article describes and analyzes the separate, unequal and unrepresented federal taxation of undocumented immigrants.
Keywords: undocumented immigrants, tax, earned income tax credit, uniform definition of a child, child tax credit, immigration policy, tax policy, welfare
“Pay attention to the part where public services are not available to illegal immigrants. These are documented facts.”
MQ says:
In my post last night that was deleted, I stated that indeed services are available to illegal immigrants… Many, many services.
Caloptima has a program called Healthy Kids that is available to illegal immigrant children!
Also an illegal immigrant woman who is pregnant will have her whole pregnancy covered from pre-natal to birth… American citizens and legal Citizens pay for it!
Caloptima, Healthy kids program is for children not able to get other government assistance… other words if they are illegal they will be covered using the Healthy KIds program…
DO YOU WANT TO KEEP GOING?
And yes it is a fact that young immigrants do not need as much Doctor visits etc…
The giving birth, child welfare, and major hospital visits our killing this state!
Do you still want more info?
et undocumented immigrants are barred from almost all government benefits, including food stamps, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, Medicaid, federal housing programs, Supplemental Security Income, Unemployment Insurance, Social Security, Medicare, and the earned income tax credit (EITC). Generally, the only benefits federally required for undocumented immigrants are emergency medical care, subject to financial and category eligibility, and elementary and secondary public education. Many undocumented immigrants will not even access these few critical government services because of their ever-present fear of government officials and deportation.
MQ says:
Their children are the loop whole…. Orange Country Social services gives money out each day to illegal immigrants, but of course it goes to their US born children!
Want to keep going?
I will tell you all about the SAVE PROGAM… It quite interesting how it is never used at the OCDSS!
More info?
activist…. OK activist’s!
So jump into Spam Vern and see if they are there?
Bet not!
Michelle Quinn
Posted June 7, 2010 at 2:34 PM
http://www.bcbs.com/news/national/mexican-consulates-offer-healthcare-help.html
MQ says:
My posts were deleted regarding my response to Dr.L calling me a liar, when I am telling the truth…. I should be able to respond using facts, when I am called a liar Mr. Art. I Know you do not want these facts known. But I am showing Dr. L that I do not voice anything unless I know it is the truth!
Below are part of the reference you provide. You corrupted the article to align with your agenda.
See MQ’s post:
“Michelle Quinn
Posted June 7, 2010 at 2:35 PM : Compare it with the correct information in the article below.
Yes, you are a LIAR, dishonest and putrid.
A program called Ventanillas de Salud, or Health Windows, aims to provide Mexican immigrants with basic health information, cholesterol checks and other preventive tests. It also makes referrals to U.S. hospitals, health centers and government programs where patients can get care without fear of being turned over to immigration authorities.
The article states they get health information and services that are lega lwithout cheating. MQ wants fellow humans to not get health information and die if undocumented. What a despicable troll.
From the article MQ references:
Some recent research indicates that many illegal immigrants don’t regularly use the public healthcare system. A Rand Corp. study published last year found that adult immigrants in general, and the undocumented in particular, consume fewer healthcare resources per person than the native-born. In part that’s because immigrants are younger and healthier, and because they are less likely to have health insurance, the study found.
Illegal immigrants are not eligible to enroll in major government health insurance programs such as Medicare, Medicaid (known in California as Medi-Cal) and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program. In recent years, eligibility rules have been tightened to exclude even some legal immigrants.
“Their children are the loop whole…. Orange Country Social services gives money out each day to illegal immigrants, but of course it goes to their US born children!”
MQ, they are USA citizens. See how far your hatred carries.
All services you cite are legal afforded to them for reasons our Federal government sees right. Cary your anger there if you see it necessary. A pregnant mother caring for herself and her infant should not be the recipient of your hate.
Speaking of Mexican…I could go for a good burrito at a nice hole in the wall taqueria in Santa Ana. After all, that is where those dasterdly Mexican activists who erased MQ’s post hang out.
Remember Michelle….”The Truth is Out There” In a good heaping hot plate of carnitas.
All services you cite are legal afforded to them for reasons our Federal government sees right. Cary your anger there if you see it necessary. A pregnant mother caring for herself and her infant should not be the recipient of your hate.
MQ says:
The problem is she is not caring for herself, I and other Americans are paying for her and eventually her child too!
I don’t hate pregnant women, I just don’t think I should be paying for exported foreginers to come here and have children!
“All services you cite are legal afforded to them for reasons our Federal government sees right.”
MQ says:
What is right about giving ILLEGAL Aliens money?
Federal money does not grow on tree’s, Its money that people worked for and the federal government is using the money to feed and clothe people who walked into this country ILLEGALLY!
So keep up with the rubbish Dr.l.
How is the Healthy smiles program working for you? Nice to have the government pay right?
Yes, you are a LIAR, dishonest and putrid.
MQ says;
I am still waiting to hear where I am lying!
PUTRID?? I suppose the truth makes you REAL upset!
The truth is that many people agree with me that illegal immigrants are absolutely not a plus for this country because they are not a plus for their own country… That is why their government begs our government to take them!
The truth is this country is being invaded by a population of needy, uneducated, and unskilled poor that is not only killing this state, but this country.
66% of illegal immigrants are from south of the border, many of them are here in California and that is why we have 30% of the welfare recipients!
So Doc, you can spout all the crap you want, because it is not just a lie, it’s an obvious lie that many Americans are sick off!
I had really no agenda, but I suppose my agenda is to let people know where their hard earned tax dollars are going to in Orange County!
Thanks for giving me a cause!
MQ,
For your benefit again. Read below. ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE NOT A BURDEN ON THE USA.
Francine J. Lipman
Chapman University – School of Law
Tax Lawyer, Spring 2006
Harvard Latino Law Review, Spring 2006
Chapman University Law Research Paper No. 06-20
Abstract:
Americans believe that undocumented immigrants are exploiting the United States’ economy. The widespread belief is that illegal aliens cost more in government services than they contribute to the economy. This belief is undeniably false. [E]very empirical study of illegals’ economic impact demonstrates the opposite . . .: undocumenteds actually contribute more to public coffers in taxes than they cost in social services. Moreover, undocumented immigrants contribute to the U.S. economy through their investments and consumption of goods and services; filling of millions of essential worker positions resulting in subsidiary job creation, increased productivity and lower costs of goods and services; and unrequited contributions to Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance programs. Eighty-five percent of eminent economists surveyed have concluded that undocumented immigrants have had a positive (seventy-four percent) or neutral (eleven percent) impact on the U.S. economy.
Undocumented immigrants, like all U.S. citizens and residents, are required to pay taxes. Despite the historic and strong American opposition to taxation without representation, undocumented immigrants (except in rare and unusual cases) have not enjoyed the right to vote on any local, state or federal tax or other matter for almost eighty years. Nevertheless, each year undocumented immigrants add billions of dollars in sales, excise, property, income and payroll taxes, including Social Security, Medicare and unemployment taxes, to federal, state and local coffers. Hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants go out of their way to file annual federal and state income tax returns.
Yet undocumented immigrants are barred from almost all government benefits, including food stamps, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, Medicaid, federal housing programs, Supplemental Security Income, Unemployment Insurance, Social Security, Medicare, and the earned income tax credit (EITC). Generally, the only benefits federally required for undocumented immigrants are emergency medical care, subject to financial and category eligibility, and elementary and secondary public education. Many undocumented immigrants will not even access these few critical government services because of their ever-present fear of government officials and deportation.
Undocumented immigrants living in the United States are subject to the same income tax laws as documented immigrants and U.S. citizens. However, because of their status most unauthorized workers pay a higher effective tax rate than similarly situated documented or U.S. citizens. Yet, these workers and their families use fewer government services than similarly situated documented immigrants or U.S. citizens. Moreover, unauthorized workers have been denied remedies by the U.S. Supreme Court under the National Labor Relations Act and may be challenged to receive protection under wage and hour, anti-discrimination and workers’ compensation laws. As a result, undocumented immigrants provide a fiscal windfall and may be the most fiscally beneficial of all immigrants.
Despite their net positive contribution to public coffers, hundreds of thousands of immigrants enter the U.S. each year without documents because of impracticable quota and labor certification requirements. These immigration restrictions combined with the additional tax or tariff on undocumented immigrants are inconsistent with economically efficient immigration policy. Moreover, the high effective tax rate imposed on the poorest undocumented working families relative to their less unfortunate friends and neighbors is inconsistent with fundamental tax policy. This Article describes and analyzes the separate, unequal and unrepresented federal taxation of undocumented immigrants.
Keywords: undocumented immigrants, tax, earned income tax credit, uniform definition of a child, child tax credit, immigration policy, tax policy, welfare
Doc, you never give up with this little troll, do you. She won’t read it, or she’ll skim thru it quick while telling herself it’s a lie.
When today’s election is over, I’ll do a story featuring this Chapman study. It’ll be in bigger print, with illustrations, and maybe she’ll read it. In any case, other people will, which is important.
Because, do you remember the Orange Juice Immigration Poll I put up a couple months ago? A solid 40% of readers described themselves as “immigration hardliners” (my polite euphemism for immigrant bashers.) (You’d think it would be higher, going by comments threads around here.)
And then I followed that question with a series of statements (misconceptions) that they could agree with or not; and by far the most common was “They use up too much of our taxpayer dollars and social services.” – Over 80% of them believe that. (From there it dropped way down to only 50%+ believing they drive down our wages, won’t learn English, etc.)
So, if these people are susceptible to facts at all, this is definitely the place to start.
Vern,
Your thoughts and facts is why I will counter MQ at every opportunity. I do not believe there is a MQ, there is rather a movement, MQ is the fiction author.
The strategy of this movement is to produce lies in order to gather support for their bigotry.
Those that appose this bigotry need to attack MQ and her lies every time MQ vomits them out.
“Doc, you never give up with this little troll, do you. She won’t read it, or she’ll skim thru it quick while telling herself it’s a lie.”
MQ says:
It pisses the good Doctor off that unlike kids in his classroom he can not intimidate me. You are a fool Doctor, because all you do is make people like myself more determined to counter you’re politically correct nonsense with the truth!
I am just getting warmed up!
“my polite euphemism for immigrant bashers”
MQ says:
I am not bashing immigrants, Mr. Vern, I am taking on the elite who try to twist the fact that I am an immigrant, illegal aliens are not!
“Those that appose this bigotry need to attack MQ and her lies every time MQ vomits them out.”
MQ says:
You are not in the classroom NOW doctor, no little che’s to help take me on!
Again, you said I was lying about the Mexican consul helping illegal immigrants get public assistance…. Is it a lie or the truth?
Who in Orange County get the most out of public assistance..Irish immigrants or illegal immigrants from Mexico/central America?
Is illegal immigrants LEGALLY here or not?
By all means have your “those who oppose me”, answer the question’s above. Or you can take your balls out of your ass and do it yourself…
Oops, my bad:)
MQ says:
You see Dr.L the below article makes sense, because Americans as well as immigrants to this country know that the poor do not pay federal or state taxes and the poor are the underserved and the vulnerable and of course the NEEDY!
The poor are served by the middle class worker even though most of the poor who are served are illegal aliens and their US born children.
Conclusion
There are currently at least 12 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. The immigration reform bill currently being debated in the Senate would grant amnesty to these individuals and would likely result in the entry of 4 to 5 million dependents living abroad into the U.S. as permanent residents. Illegal immigrants receiving amnesty will immediately begin earning eligibility for Social Security and Medicare benefits and, after approximately 10 years, gain access to a wide variety of means-tested welfare programs, such as Medicaid, Food Stamps, and public housing.
Because amnesty recipients have very low education levels (75 to 85 percent have only a high school diploma or less), they are likely to receive more in government benefits than they pay in taxes through most of their lives. When they reach retirement age, amnesty recipients will impose a large net cost on taxpayers, receiving each year at least $17,000 more per person in benefits than they pay in taxes. The illegal immigrants granted amnesty under S. 1348 are likely to impose a net cost of at least $2.6 trillion on U.S. taxpayers during their retirement years. Policymakers should carefully consider the potential long-term fiscal costs before enacting the amnesty provisions of this bill.
Proponents of S. 1348 will emphasize that amnesty recipients will pay Social Security taxes during their working years, thereby presumably helping to alleviate the great burden already on the government retirement system. Given their low skill levels, the Social Security tax payments of amnesty recipients will, on average, be modest. More important is the fact that, in future years, Social Security benefits will be funded by both Social Security taxes and general revenue. What matters is not the small amount of Social Security taxes that will be paid but the overall fiscal balance (total federal state and local benefits received minus all taxes paid) of amnesty recipients. If the net benefits taken by amnesty recipients and their families exceed the Social Security and other taxes paid, the amnesty recipients will undermine rather than strengthen the financial support for U.S. retirees, even before they reach retirement age themselves.
Finally, if S. 1348 is enacted, the public should expect to see a broad array of new spending proposals and programs designed to help amnesty recipients move upward economically and socially. Many of these programs are likely to be enacted into law, further increasing fiscal pressures.
Robert Rector is Senior Research Fellow in Domestic Policy Studies at The Heritage Foundation.
MQ,
Please I can take you on with one hand behind my back, speaking intellectually.
The issue with you is lies against Mexicans. It has nothing to do with ILLEGAL.
You have said it yourself:
MQ wrote,
” Why the hell do you think people want the Mexicans ( NOT LATINOS) out of their neighborhoods so much? It’s really not about the legal status of these people so much as it is about the fact that they bring with them a lot of bad elements… crime, bad schools, welfare, dead beat dads!”
These are facts:
All available data show illegal Mexican immigrants produce more than they consume.
From Wikipedia:
Illegal immigrants arriving in recent years tend to be better educated than those who have been in the country a decade or more. A quarter of all immigrants who have arrived in recent years have at least some college education.
Michelle Quinn
Posted June 8, 2010 at 12:51 PM
In this post MQ posted an article. The article is from The Heritage Foundation. These sources are from where the MQ movement gets their propaganda.
The Heritage Foundation
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The Heritage Foundation
Motto Leadership for America
Formation 1973
Type Public policy think tank
Headquarters 214 Massachusetts Ave, NE
Location Washington, D.C.
President Edwin Feulner
Website http://www.heritage.org
The Heritage Foundation is a conservative American think tank based in Washington, D.C.
The foundation took a leading role in the conservative movement during the presidency of Ronald Reagan, whose policies drew significantly from Heritage’s policy study Mandate for Leadership.[1] Heritage has since continued to have a significant influence in U.S. public policy making, and is considered to be one of the most influential conservative research organizations in the United States.[2]
Heritage’s stated mission is to “formulate and promote conservative public policies based on the principles of free enterprise, limited government, individual freedom, traditional American values, and a strong national defense.”[3]
Contents [hide]
1 History and major initiatives
1.1 Leadership
1.2 Cold War and foreign policy involvement
1.3 Domestic economic policies
2 Policy influence
2.1 Publications
2.2 Other media
2.3 Funding
3 Controversies
3.1 Malaysia, changing views, and business interests
4 In popular culture
5 See also
6 References
7 External links
[edit] History and major initiatives
[edit] Leadership
First led by activist Paul Weyrich, Heritage’s president since 1977 has been Edwin Feulner, previously the staff director of the House Republican Study Committee and a former staff assistant to U.S. Congressman Phil Crane, R-Illinois.
[edit] Cold War and foreign policy involvement
In the 1980s and early 1990s, the Heritage Foundation was a key architect and advocate of the “Reagan Doctrine”, under which the United States government supported anti-Communist resistance movements in such places as Afghanistan, Angola, Cambodia and Nicaragua during the Cold War. Heritage foreign policy analysts also provided policy guidance to these rebel forces and to dissidents in Eastern bloc nations and Soviet republics.
The foundation was instrumental in advancing President Ronald Reagan’s belief that the former Soviet Union was an “evil empire” and that its defeat, not its mere containment, was a realistic foreign policy objective. Heritage also played a key role in building support for Reagan’s plans to build an orbital ballistic missile shield, known as the “Strategic Defense Initiative”, or more popularly, “Star Wars.”
The foundation advocated repeal of the 1976 Clark Amendment, which barred aid to anti-government paramilitary forces in Angola.[4] This effort was successful when the Clark Amendment was repealed in a midnight session of Congress in July 1985. Visiting The Heritage Foundation on October 5, 1989, Angolan rebel leader[5] Jonas Savimbi of UNITA, praised Heritage for its role in repealing the amendment. “When we come to the Heritage Foundation,” Savimbi said, “it is like coming back home. We know that our success here in Washington in repealing the Clark Amendment and obtaining American assistance for our cause is very much associated with your efforts. This foundation has been a source of great support. The UNITA leadership knows this, and it is also known in Angola.”[4]
Since the end of the Cold War, Heritage has continued to be an active voice in foreign affairs and has been broadly supportive of President George W. Bush’s foreign policies. Speaking at the Heritage Foundation in November 2007, Bush predicted that fifty years from then a future U.S. President would return to the Heritage Foundation and say, “Thank God that generation that wrote the first chapter in the 21st century understood the power of freedom to bring the peace we want.”[6]
Heritage has complained that the pay and benefits offered to America’s military servicemen are too high.[7]
[edit] Domestic economic policies
In domestic policy, Heritage is a proponent of supply-side economics, which holds that reductions in the marginal rate of taxation can spur economic growth.
In 1994, Heritage advised Newt Gingrich and other conservatives on the development of the “Contract with America”, which was credited with helping to produce a Republican majority in Congress. The “Contract” was a pact of principles that directly challenged both the political status-quo in Washington and many of the ideas at the heart of the Clinton administration. As such, Heritage is often credited with supplying many of the ideas that ultimately proved influential in ending the Democrats’ control of Congress in 1994.
MQ,
“You see Dr.L the below article makes sense, because Americans as well as immigrants to this country know that the poor do not pay federal or state taxes and the poor are the underserved and the vulnerable and of course the NEEDY!”
Read again please:
Francine J. Lipman
Chapman University – School of Law
Tax Lawyer, Spring 2006
Harvard Latino Law Review, Spring 2006
Chapman University Law Research Paper No. 06-20
Abstract:
Americans believe that undocumented immigrants are exploiting the United States’ economy. The widespread belief is that illegal aliens cost more in government services than they contribute to the economy. This belief is undeniably false. [E]very empirical study of illegals’ economic impact demonstrates the opposite . . .: undocumenteds actually contribute more to public coffers in taxes than they cost in social services. Moreover, undocumented immigrants contribute to the U.S. economy through their investments and consumption of goods and services; filling of millions of essential worker positions resulting in subsidiary job creation, increased productivity and lower costs of goods and services; and unrequited contributions to Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance programs. Eighty-five percent of eminent economists surveyed have concluded that undocumented immigrants have had a positive (seventy-four percent) or neutral (eleven percent) impact on the U.S. economy.
Undocumented immigrants, like all U.S. citizens and residents, are required to pay taxes. Despite the historic and strong American opposition to taxation without representation, undocumented immigrants (except in rare and unusual cases) have not enjoyed the right to vote on any local, state or federal tax or other matter for almost eighty years. Nevertheless, each year undocumented immigrants add billions of dollars in sales, excise, property, income and payroll taxes, including Social Security, Medicare and unemployment taxes, to federal, state and local coffers. Hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants go out of their way to file annual federal and state income tax returns.
“Please I can take you on with one hand behind my back, speaking intellectually.”Those
“Those that appose this bigotry need to attack MQ and her lies every time MQ vomits them out.”
MQ says:
If you can take me on with one hand behind your back, why call in the troops?
FYI: It’s – Those WHO OPPOSE this bigotry!
🙂
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/llr/about.html
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/llr/adboard.html
OMG.. Get a load of these idiots… Yeah, I really believe what these idiots are spouting regarding illegal immigration —— NOT!
Michelle Quinn
Posted June 8, 2010 at 1:36 PM
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/llr/about.html
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/llr/adboard.html
OMG.. Get a load of these idiots… Yeah, I really believe what these idiots are spouting regarding illegal immigration —— NOT!
MQ has a problem with poor Mexicans and highly educated rich Mexicans too.
it is consistant with her true views:
MQ wrote,
” Why the hell do you think people want the Mexicans ( NOT LATINOS) out of their neighborhoods so much? It’s really not about the legal status of these people so much as it is about the fact that they bring with them a lot of bad elements… crime, bad schools, welfare, dead beat dads!”
fuck this fucking ashole the us without mexicans wouldnt servive white people are not going to be dish washers or working at the dumpster we all doe those other thing just to keep the world going around and he pays us to for it like it or not