We like to consider ourselves to be a society that follows the law. I know: there are lots of reasons to challenge this self-conception — hell, the whole Occupy movement and (often more delusionally) much of the Tea Party movement are in the business of challenging that belief — but while that may make that self-conception less accurate it doesn’t make it less real.
Of the reasons to oppose illegal immigration — and while I try to avoid the term “illegal immigrant” to describe people, I don’t know of a better noun phrase than that to describe the phenomenon that gives rise to it, because “undocumented working” doesn’t just do the trick — one of the handful with which I have any sympathy is the notion that we don’t want to reward failure to follow the law, people who “cut in line.” (This begs the question of what “cutting in line” entails. Good luck convincing me that it applies to individuals seeking citizenship more than it does to corporations seeking bailouts.) My having sympathy for it doesn’t mean that I’m convinced by it; it just means that I don’t hold this opinion against someone who expresses it. It’s a reasonable thing that a reasonable person might say — even though, for reasons I’ll explain, it doesn’t convince me.
(The second argument I respect is that illegal immigration may be used undercut the minimum wage and prevent complaints about working conditions, something that I run into as part of my employment law practice from time to time. That one, though, is fixable by providing better enforcement of laws and immunity for complainants, so I tend to discount it as being fatal. The third argument is that if it results in de facto open borders, it may overwhelm the economy and ecology, but I think that we can have substantial immigration while still maintaining adequate rules.)
That I respect the above three arguments doesn’t mean that I support them; it just means that I consider them to be worthy of debate. Most of the arguments rattling around are ones that I don’t find worth debating.
- The notion that immigrants (especially unauthorized ones) would not make good American citizens due to their culture or personal habits or greater propensity towards crime
- The notion that immigrants (especially unauthorized ones) are a threat to the English language, American culture, national security, the status of women, etc.
- The notion that immigrants (especially unauthorized ones) hurt our economy — do the research, folks. They generally don’t, and when they do it’s only because they can be deported for complaining about low wages, etc.
- Any xenophobia that I left out of the above
And there’s one more bad argument that I’m not yet going to raise. You’ll see it below.
Yesterday and today are big days in the politics of immigration. As the former husband of an East African-born Indian and now-husband of a Filipina and father of three girls here, one of whom is closing in on citizenship this year, I’ve spent most of my life as part of immigrant communities by marriage or pre-marriage. On that personal experience — even without invoking all of my other experience as a professor, student, colleague, political activist, and such –I have zero doubt that immigrants (yes, including those who are in violation of immigration laws) augment our strength and vibrancy as a nation. Immigration makes us strong. It binds us together in terms of blood and affection in a way that China and India and Russia, generally less welcoming towards immigrants, will never achieve. (Yes, they can buy people to be their liaisons to other countries in the world — and then someone else care hire them away. It’s not the same thing.)
I’m also aware the the legal immigration system we have does not work. I’m not simply talking about leaving produce unpicked and leaving families (like mine) divided. It’s also byzantine, capricious, and unfair. A year or two after I broke up with the Japanese woman (here on an H-1B visa as a Japanese instructor) with whom I lived for 2+ years in New York, she was forced to leave the country for good in large part because her immigration lawyer — a respectable friend of mine on an asylum case to whom I’d referred her — accidentally ticked off the wrong box on a form and while the correction was underway her visa expired a few months before she could have gotten permanent residency. Our system of legal immigration can be unfair and cruel — worse, in my opinion, than tax law.
I want to return, though, to the point with which I began: the respectable belief that we are a system that follows the law and that illegal immigration must therefore be harshly punished.
Prisoners, as I understand it, tend not to tell interviewers that they are innocent, but only claim that they are no more guilty than anyone else — instead being simply unlucky or despised. This is the problem we have when corrupt public and private figures — cops, politicians, and teachers; business leaders, media, and military; clergy and parents and more — are allowed to run free and avoid penalty for their rejection of rule of law. People hate to be taken for suckers — and if someone else is getting away with something, they often don’t see why they shouldn’t be allowed to do the same.
And that brings me back to something that still pisses me off when I think of it in connection to the debate over illegal immigration: that apartment in Irvine that State Senator Mimi Walters passed off as her home so that she could stay in the legislature — and that the legislature decided not to challenge. This came to mind again recently because someone on OC Political got the scoop that Walters is now planning to run for the Fifth Supervisorial seat now held by Pat Bates — which includes the Walters mansion in Laguna Niguel but not, so far as I understand it, Walters’s uninhabited fig-leaf apartment in Irvine.
Walters broke the law and got away with it based on the defense that only the State Senate could address the issue — and it didn’t, despite the facts meticulously laid out by her opponent Steve Young and his colleagues. The message that gets sent out to the world is “see that thing down there that looks like a law? It’s not actually a law when we don’t want it to be a law.” The rest of the world isn’t going to be surprised by this; that’s how much of the world works. Yet that residency law is as much the law of the land in California as is the law regarding overstaying a visa. I could give thousands of other more significant examples of law-breaking where we as a society look the other way, but this one appeals to be because it involves the consequences — or the lack thereof — of being on the wrong side of the border because it suits one’s goals and purposes.
My guess is that a lot of people who are exercised about the illegal immigration debate purely on grounds of legal propriety — in other words, I’m not counting the xenophobes here — see nothing wrong with Mimi Walters serving in the State Senate despite living on the wrong side of the border. It’s just a stupid rule; it did not have to be enforced. Prisoners aren’t going to be surprised by the hypocrisy; others of us should strive to be. “Just a stupid rule, does not have to be enforced” is the same reasoning that many people present in the U.S. without authorization tell themselves — except for them the stakes may be the lives and well-being of their family back home rather than a mere political career.
And that brings me to the last reason, arguably even worse than xenophobia (though far more respectable), as to why some people oppose immigration reforms.
- Partisan political advantage
Here’s the problem. Latinos (and now Asians as well) tend to vote Democratic, partially because Republicans have tended to be so extremely lousy and disrespectful and downright xenophobic on the issue of immigration. So, let’s say that we recognize a whole bunch of new Latinos and Asians as citizens, once they do appropriate penance. What happens as a result? Here’s Markos “kos” Moulitsas explaining it succinctly:
Republicans can’t win a national election given their demographic problems. Per 2012 exit polling, whites made up 72 percent of voters and Mitt Romney won them by a dominant 59-39. Yet President Barack Obama won reelection by an easy four points.
So Republicans don’t need to win the Latino vote, they just need to dig into that massive 44-point Democratic advantage. But as I’ve noted before, it’s hard to play nice with Latinos when signing on to comprehensive immigration reform would mean 13 million new Latino voters, or a net eight million new Democratic voters. Remember, Obama won the 2012 elections by five million.
So there is little incentive for the GOP at large to indulge in any reform effort.
(He then goes onto explain why there may nevertheless be enough GOP votes to pass reforms because some individual Republicans might have to deal.)
Those Republicans probably won’t include Rep. Lou Barletta (R-PA):
“It’s amnesty that America can’t afford,” Barletta said Monday. “We have to stop people from coming in illegally. This will be a green light for anyone who wants to come to America illegally and then be granted citizenship one day.” […]
“I hope politics is not at the root of why we’re rushing to pass a bill. Anyone who believes that they’re going to win over the Latino vote is grossly mistaken,” Barletta said. “The majority that are here illegally are low-skilled or may not even have a high school diploma. The Republican Party is not going to compete over who can give more social programs out. They will become Democrats because of the social programs they’ll depend on.”
So there you have it. You guys will have to trust me on this: we Democrats do not want to normalize the immigration status of longtime residents because we want more people on welfare. As it is, we’re struggling to keep afloat the social services that Republicans keep trying to shoot full of holes. If these new voters vote Democratic, it will because we earn their votes by, among other things, not demonizing them and their cultures. (Republicans, you’re welcome to try it anytime you’d like.) And most of us are not calling for open borders; if this sort of reform happens only every 25-30 years or so, one would be a fool to depend on it. (And pretty much everyone agrees that those who victimize others through criminal acts need to be put away, then sent away, and then kept out.)
What this points to, though, is that the new Republican approach to winning elections seems to be to engineer a more favorable electorate. This is of a piece with trying to keep eligible people from voting through creating long lines, with making it harder for them to get into those lines by making registration more difficult, and with changing the Electoral College rules to choose electors by district in blue states while still being winner-take-all in red states. It’s all a matter of trying to keep the current, extremely conservative version of the Republican Party in power. (Note: the Republican Party won’t actually go away if many new immigrants come in, it will just shift back to the left a bit, maybe to where it was in the 1990s, maybe the 1970s.) This is about a minority of the people imposing an ideology on the country rather than imposing a party. Let these people become citizens and … we may see a return to a somewhat normal Republican Party. Is that so bad?
For some Republicans, it is that bad. They are the ones standing in the way of a resolution to the immigration debate — because they think that it helps them achieve ideological victory by throttling the electorate. If there is any reason for opposing immigration reform that is worse than xenophobia, that would have to be it.
I must admit that I am extremely xenophobic of Martians and Uranusians.
Although, I am definitly not Xena-phobic
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I believe that at least you and I share some Xenu-phobia.
I have mixed feeling about this issue. I worked in restaurants for 20 years and most of the restaurants hired illegals to work in the kitchen. Everyone in the biz knows that. I will say Marie Calendars trys hard not to …I am guessing its because they don’t want the legal hassels of getting caught. The reason restaurant owners/managers like to hire them is because they can be taken advantage of, for example: they will work overtime without ot pay because;
#1. Most don’t know they are entitled to ot pay
#2. They won’t complain
#3. They also work for minimum wage and never get raises.
This goes the same for farm labor. A co-worker in a restaurant told me that his uncle travels a ‘curcuit’ and picks veggies and fruit for a living. He is not paid hourly; instead he is paid by the bushel and since he is not technically an employee he does not get legal breaks and works long hours. Why would an American want to work in those conditions? Why should he?
The down side is:
Simple economics: supply and demand, the more workers in the job market, the lower the wages because employers have so many to choose from. I already hear the argument that these are low skilled jobs…my answer is…really? You try picking strawberries 10 hours a day. Working in kitchens is hard work and there are many ways to get injured. Customer service and other so called ‘low skilled’ jobs are all that are hiring, at least for now and many are going part time because of the healthcare law. Also its hard to get hired as a cook because there are mostly Latins in the kitchen and they speak Spanish. I worked as a manager and I couldn’t communicate with some of my kitchen staff because they did not speak English. I had to make sure there was always at least one employee that could translate for me.
My hubby also worked in restaurants 25 years and up until 2000 cooks were paid decent but since more and more Latins work in those jobs, wages are low. Most cooks work 2 full time jobs to support their families. Is that the American dream, to work ourselves to death? Latins have a different culture than ours. They live with several generations and pool their money, as well as send money back home.
I was told this by many Latin cooks, so thats where I get my information. This is their retirement plan. For example: John comes to the U.S. (illegally) at the age of 18 and gets a job at a restaurant. He starts out as a dishwasher and works his way up to cook. He has 2 jobs, and works at least 16 hours a day. He stays at those jobs for 20 years, sends money home monthly to his family in Mexico and then retires. He then moves back to Mexico because its cheaper to live; then another young family member crosses the border and takes a job in a restaurant, and sends money home that supports John.
So where is that money being spent in the U.S.? Sure there are some monies spent for living expenses but most of the money is going to Mexico.
What about our healthcare services as well as social services? They are strained already.
Are Americans allowed to cross the border and works in Mexico?
This is not a simple problem. I understand what the kids are feeling. They are stuck in the middle. They grew up here and feel they are Americans. I also understand why people want to come here; they want a better life for themselves and their family. Why isn’t the president of Mexico held accountable? Why does he get away with making life hard for his people? I think the reason is…why should he do anything to make life better when he likes things just as they are. He benefits from money being sent to his country.
I think the real reason politicians want the laws changed is because they see potential votes…plain and simple.
I have a fun, true story about Marie Callendar. … is this an appropriate place?
He was a crusty old guy .. that Marie ….
oh yes, Vern…do tell !!!!!
When we moved into Huntington Beach in 1971, the neighbors across the street – well, next door to across the street – had just taken over the house previously owned by the real Marie Callendar. As they told us, she didn’t move out quite as quick as she had planned, inconveniencing them. SO to make up for that, she sent them a pie a month, for several years.
That’s my true Marie Callendar story.
I have a fun, true story about Vern Nelson,…. is this an appropriate place?
One of my first memories is Vern sitting on his lab stool upside down…
Softmore, MDHS
Hey Pat …. is that true? Give me a call, long time no see! (I sure got stories about you…)
For example. Remember when we were drinking beer on the beach one night, and I punched you in the face because you wanted me to, and your whole family was mad at me!
As I recall you being a little sullen and withdrawn that night
Guess my skills as therapist could have been honed
I don’t think anybody was really angry
Good times
Good times indeed bro. We gotta hook up again soon…
I have mixed feelings about your feelings. Economical and/or political circumstances explain much of the immigration from the Americas (Mexico, Canada, Central and South America), Trying to catch up with the US living standards is defoliating the Amazons. Except Canada, the “under-development” is causing people to emigrate. Eleven million of unauthorized immigrants is not only a political issue but a tremendous humanitarian one. The social services are not strained because of immigrants, but because the severe recession still affecting us.
Ricardo,
I beg to differ with you about the social services issue. I am the only english speaking patient in the waiting room when I visit my primary doctor who happens to accept Medi-Cal. I had to apply for food stamps 2 years ago when I was too sick to work and I was the only anglo in that waiting room as well. I do not know everyones story for being there, I am making an observation and I will be the first one to say that I would not deny someone medical care or food because they are here illegally. I believe its a humanitarian issue. On the other hand I have to care for my family first before I can help someone else.
When I went to the TPP meeting last summer, I spoke with a woman who represented the Teamsters and she is completely against amnesty. She told me the story about truck drivers from Mexico being allowed to deliver anywhere across our border, but Amercian truck drivers had to stop at the Mexican border, unload and allow Mexican drivers to take over. It was a one way street so-to-speak. This hurt American jobs.
I forgot to mention earlier another point that I was concerned about and that is when an illegal becomes a citizen, aren’t they allowed to sponser family members???
Oops, here’s another question. If illegals work in the U.S. that means they get paychecks…at least they did where I worked and doesn’t that mean they paid taxes???? How about social security? They paid into that as well and if they leave the U.S. before age 65 to retire back home, doesn’t that mean there is money collected but not paid out? If there are 11 million illegals living here…that means 11 million are paying taxes and social security. And if they are undocumented, how do we know there are 11 million?
Inge
This week I went to have a lab test done, in a city next to Vern’s. The waiting room was packed and people were not speaking English or Spanish. Demographics trends explain the composition of our population, and economic status the need for use of public services. It was not a coincidence that Food Stamps became an election issue. The California Department of Health Services has data based on ethnicity information at http://www.dss.cahwnet.gov/research/PG349.htm . The Long-Term Care program covered by Medi-Cal is widely used by “English” speaking only people.
Regarding the economic impact of immigration, there are plenty of studies stating its positive contribution. One of them is called the Hamilton Project, named after the nation’s first Treasury Secretary (As we have our own Boutwell in this blog, the first Commissioner of the IRS, we should appoint Anonster as our Alexander Hamilton).
You may have heard of Jose Antonio Vargas. He is Filipino American, a Pulitzer Prize-winning undocumented journalist. He is requesting that The New York Times to stop dehumanizing immigrants: To Philip Corbett, Associate Managing Editor for Standards at The New York Times:
The New York Times needs to join ABC, NBC, CNN, The Miami Herald, and many other news agencies in ending the practice of calling human beings “illegal.” That word is dehumanizing, racially charged, and innaccurate.
The fact that immigrants and Latinos find the term “illegal” to be dehumanizing and racist should be reason enough for The New York Times to change its policy. As a journalist responsible for informing the public on complex immigration issues, you should be particularly concerned with the fact that both linguists and immigration lawyers agree that the term is innaccurate.
You recently wrote in an email, Mr. Corbett, that you don’t want The New York Times to “lead or be in the vanguard of promoting or spreading changes in language.” We’re not asking The New York Times to lead, we’re asking the newspaper to catch up with the tide of history.
http://act.presente.org/sign/nytimesillegal/?source=presente_website.
As the OJ Oracle would say, we have a Diamondesque piece on this term already.
I’m still “butthurt” about this too…Mimi cheated.
Yas, yas . . . harrumph . . . we’re all against . . . blarrggh . . . illegal immigration. But when we share a border with Mexico — a huge border, at that — can you stop it? Not hardly. It would take several army divisions and a massive fence 2000 miles long; a fence that can be climbed over, tunneled under, or punched through. Thus most posturing about “protecting our borders” is just horseshit. Nothing will stop poor, starving people from coming into the U.S. Period. The problem is Mexico’s feudal government, run by wealthy familes who scarf up the assets and leave fuck-all for anybody else. So most of the arguments against illegal immigration are red herrings, dog whistles to hide racism. Like I say, nothing can stop it, save Mexico becoming a model of equitable economic distribution. Better get used to it, and have your Hispanic neighbors over for a beer. Because they’ll be in charge sooner than later. You can’t fight biology.
We could invade and annex mexico and try to straighten it out – hell, half of mexico would welcome that.
Yes! Just like the Iraqis did when we invaded their country. They loved us!
Diamond, kind of ironic and hypocritical that you would launch a vitrolic attack on residency and yet defending the right to ignore the lawlessness of 11 million people living here illegally. Do you only want the letter of the law upheld when it suits your needs and political objectives?
WAIT A SECOND, Geoff! You can’t say that to Greg. THAT’S WHAT GREG SAID! That was his whole point.
He observes that thousands and thousands of OC nativist Republicans seem to have absolutely no problem with Mimi’s serial flouting of the law while having regular shit-conniptions about those dirty illegal immigrants who pick our crops and clean our houses.
You can’t pull this on Greg, until you answer: Do you think it’s just fine that Mimi lies about her residence to run for Senate, and then again to run for Supervisor? That the law stating you have to live somewhere to run, and if you lie about where you live you should be punished and disqualified, is a law to laugh at?
When you answer THAT we can talk about illegal immigration.
Scadoosh.
OH YES HE CAN PULL THIS ON ME, VERN! Geoff is our guest here, you can’t tell him what to do! (hahahaha)
Slate magazine posted an article on this subject, making an argument similar to Greg’s :” Illegal immigrants do break the law, but they break the law in the sense that everyone breaks the law. Think of traffic laws, which everyone breaks but which are also only enforced selectively—largely against people suspected of committing drug crimes or other misdeeds. ”
In a different context, when Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat to a white passenger on a city bus in Montgomery, did she commit an act of lawlessnness?
Really scadoosh.
Hi Geoff. The U.S. has no law against unauthorized presence, so “living here illegally” is a misnomer. They’re people who committed unauthorized entry, were caused to enter the U.S. without authorization before being able to consent to or prevent it, before overstayed visas, and/or violated visa requirements. Mimi Walters, on the other hand, apparently perjured herself in her declaration of residency. That is an actual illegal action.
Be that as it may, is your point that the average U.S. resident must set a good example for the country’s leaders? Personally, I think that it’s the other way around, but then I’m not a neo-royalist.