Dan C’s Cherry Picking Goes Awry, but at Least We All Agree that Anaheim’s Economic Impact Study Sucks!

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The first rule of criticizing “cherry picking” is: be able to correctly identify cherries. These aren’t those.

1. The Tale of the Ox

I wasn’t going to take on the Lib Ox (“Ox” being an abbreviation for “OC’s”) Dan Chmeliewski’s attack on me yesterday for “cherry picking” from Martin Wisckol’s Register article — which largely discredited the economic impact study of Angels baseball’s effect on Anaheim — but I’m afraid that I have to, for two reasons.

The first is that this is the first meeting at which Mayor Tom Tait’s final assertion of his agenda power — his placing the Angels/Moreno deals onto the agenda of every third meeting until the process is complete — comes up, so we get a chance to talk about it.  (And boy howdy, do we need to take about it!)

The second reason is NOT that I enjoy blog wars for their own sake.  After too many years on Usenet and Daily Kos, the bloom is well off the rose for me when it comes to Internet combat.  I can do it (and quite well), and it can be ephemeral fun to hone and brandish one’s wit against a nitwit, but it’s not really something that I relish at this point in my life.  So I try to limit myself to discrediting the discreditable rather than jumping into the melee for the supposed fun of it.  (“Mosh pit” is Vern’s slogan, not mine.)

Instead, the second reason that I have to engage Dan’s attack on me is because it’s so incredibly instructive.

As Cynthia Ward pointed out in a comment there, Dan is starting to get what the problem is.  He doesn’t entirely get that he gets it, but he has said what he said about the study — and now he’ll have to endure the consequences.  He’ll have to come to understand what it is he’s just said.

2. Bargaining from a Position of Great Weakness

The study on which the Anaheim City Council majority (including Democrat Jordan Brandman, for whose political soul I gamely continue to fight) put all of their chips turns out to be really not so good after all.  In fact, it’s really bad.  (Judging from the rest of his post, Dan doesn’t yet grasp how bad — but he’s about to get a good sense of it if he wants to.)

Dan now agrees that there should be another Economic Impact Study — next spring, perhaps — due to the flaws of this first one, but he does not seem to fully appreciate the facts that (1) the negotiations may be completely done by then and (2) the City’s negotiating team has in essence been instructed to treat the report’s findings as completely conclusive.  These considerations make a second study somewhat moot — unless someone pulls the emergency brake, which is exactly what Vern and Cynthia and I and some others, Mayor Tait included, have been trying to do!

Let me flesh out that thought a bit.  The report essentially concludes that for Anaheim to lose the Angels is essentially unthinkable — an economic catastrophe that, even though Moreno himself hasn’t been threatening it, the City should be willing to pay any price to avoid.

This puts the City into an awful negotiating position where its only hope is to throw enough money at Arte Moreno — not as “subsidies,” but through policies with the same effect as subsidies to Moreno’s all-important bottom line — so that he’ll have no choice but to please, please, please keep the Angels in Anaheim.

Those of you with business experience may wonder: Why is Anaheim bargaining from such a position of craven submission?

(Personally, I think that it’s because Curt Pringle is all lined up to make money off of the deal — as Disney may be as well — but the ostensible reason is that the report offers the City no alternative.)

As a result, the MOUs far outdo even the existing extremely generous lease in their tilt towards the owner. Why is that?  Because they were developed in association with this wacky report that has been constructed on the fundamental axiom that Anaheim simply CANNOT AFFORD to lose the Angels so must prepare to give Arte Moreno more than a reasonable person would even dare ask.

3. The Contract Shall Heal Itself Without Human Intervention!

The Council Majority reminds us ad nauseum that nothing in the MOUs is currently set in stone, but they miss that that doesn’t matter!  The negotiating team has not gotten any real substantive negative feedback from the Council Majority about the draft MOUs!  It has encountered no expressions of dissatisfaction, except from Mayor Tait.

So what does the Council Majority imagine that its negotiation team is going to DO in negotiations?

They have a study that says that for the good of the City they have to give in on everything; they have draft MOUs that duly give away the store to Moreno; they have no instructions from the Council Majority to “fix” any perceived problems with the MOUs!

HOW EXACTLY does the Council Majority think that terms more favorable to the City will ENTER the terms of the MOUs over the course of negotiations?

The Council Majority hasn’t even told their own negotiators to seek any improved terms!  Mayor Tait is the only one who has identified any specific deficiencies — and none of the other members of the Council backed him up!

What do they imagine — that Moreno’s going to say “you know, this deal is JUST TOO FAVORABLE TO ME, so why don’t you go change some things so that it’s better for the City”?  That’s not going to happen — and if it did it would just be more evidence that a fix was in.

The Council Majority is currently maintaining the fiction that — having sent off its negotiation team without instructions to try to change anything — it can come back after a full draft deal has been crafted and ONLY THEN start to pay attention to what it wants to accomplish!

That won’t be allowed.  That would be an act of bad faith — something specifically forbidden in the MOU’s language.  The City would be sued over such a stance — and it would lose.  In other words this massive giveaway of City funds is being staged so that in the final act the Council Majority can somehow discover that it unwittingly hemmed itself in — and it will have to say “whoops!”  (Gee, too bad for Anaheim!)

Well, I suppose that they’d have one chance of winning.  It might be shown that an agent of Moreno and someone with influence on the Council arranged for negotiators to (1) procure a truly lousy economic impact study that (2) allowed them to claim that the City’s bargaining position was lousy, and then (3) come up with a terrible MOU — with which the City would be stuck.  That would be bad faith on Moreno’s part — and could save the City’s bacon.

None of that looks all that far-fetched at this point.

4. The Lib Ox Reaches Three Conclusions

The Lib Ox compliments Wisckol on “a solid job of reporting the story of the recently completed economic impact study on Angels baseball and where it fell short.”  Stop right there!  If the study truly does “fall short” enough, then it’s assumptions and conclusions can’t be used as a good guide to what sort of deal should be made.  “Pull the emergency brake!”, Dan ought to be saying — but isn’t.

Dan reaches three conclusions:

  1. Anaheim should do a more detailed study that “fully addresses revenues and costs”;
  2. even a Chapman University economist critical of the report “agrees that there is an economic benefit to having the Angels” in Anaheim; and
  3. I’m supposedly misrepresenting Brandman’s words.  He doesn’t really explain this one, but I’m going to go over it in loving detail.

Dan asserts that “a $30,000 study isn’t nearly enough money to answer all of the questions needed to get a clear picture of the economic impact of having a major league baseball team in Anaheim.”  I can believe that!  What he doesn’t seem to get is that that means that someone from the City badly screwed up — because a $30,000 study is exactly what they solicited and purchased!  (My guess is that they’ll try to blame this on permanent City staff — but staff isn’t likely the group that messed up here!)

Did the City’s negotiator, temp staffer Charles Black, have anything to do with the choice of vendor and the amount paid?  Should he have known that $30,000 would likely buy only warmed over horse manure?  I would think so.  Did he realize that such a report could only be useful for purposes of promoting a deal in front of an inattentive audience?  Well, this is his business — and anyone who has heard his presentations has no doubt of how invested he is in the project.  Did he object basing his recommendations to the Council on a horse manure-grade study?  Apparently not.  (Do you have any concerns about what he’ll do in negotiations “on behalf of the City”?  Leave a comment.)

5.  CSL’s Reputation vs. CSL’s Report

Now let’s get to Dan’s first substantive criticism of me:

Texas-based Conventions, Sports and Leisure is somehow portrayed, by Diamond, as being hired to provide a slanted report.

Yep — and I’ll explain why below.  But first, what Dan does not seem to understand is that I’m not saying that CSL is incapable of doing a really high quality and reliable report.  I’m saying that they didn’t do one here.  In part, that’s because they weren’t paid to do one here.  If they didn’t tell Anaheim that the report they produced would be, um, “deficient” in various ways that might severly undercut its reliability, then they ripped off the City.  But my guess is that they did spell out the limitations of what they could do for that price — and that the City’s agents didn’t care.  Because what they wanted was a report that could be used to promote the plan that — for whatever reason — they already favored.

Dan writes, with a lamb-like innocence:

According to Diamond, the key statement in the Register’s story is this:  “Based on everything else I’ve seen CSL do, this is a promotional study,” said Andrew Zimbalist, co-author of “Sports, Jobs and Taxes: The Economic Impact of Sports Teams and Stadiums.” “If CSL came out with a study that said Anaheim had no positive economic impact, they wouldn’t get any more work.”

Yes, that is the key phrase — because Anaheim’s entire negotiation strategy is constructed on the foundation of this report showing that the Angels give so much to the City that the City can’t afford to lose them — and the report is horse manure.  It’s presented not for purposes of edification, but of propaganda.  That’s extremely important.

Now that is where CSL was deficient: it could have (and should have) said “no” to the work if it thought that it was being asked to provide a sub-standard report that was just going to be used to bamboozle the citizenry to achieve an end that Councilmember Murray, who was heading the early negotiations, wanted.  If it was asked to prepare a report that should not have been convincing, it should have refused.  Instead, it painted its horse manure report in the most favorable light — as something that should bear the weight that the Council planned to place upon it.

And why did it do that?  Well, you see Zimbalist’s answer above.

Dan then explains that CSL has a fantastic client list and reputation.  That doesn’t matter.  It really doesn’t — because it doesn’t rebut what Zimbalist says.  The sorts of people who establish its reputation are the sorts that want “promotional” reports.  That’s how a company capable of doing good work can get a good client list — by not doing objective and critical work if the client wants alluring fluff.  (Surely this is not news to a Public Relations professional such as Dan.)

The instructive thing about Dan’s argument is that he wants to make this about “is CSL a good company?”  That’s not the question to ask.  The question to ask is: “is this a good report?”  And he agrees that it is not.  Reconciling that with CSL’s reputation is his problem, not mine — but this is a case where blaming the client seems like a very reasonable hypothesis.

6. How the CSL Report Went Bad

This paragraph from Dan is key:

CSL told the Register that Anaheim asked for a report that could account for the money generated by the Angels, but the report did not offer associated city expenses. In that respect the city got what it paid for.  A new, more detailed and likely more expensive study that interviews Angels-game attendees is needed for a more accurate picture.  [my emphasis added]

Back up and look at that more closely.  What he’s saying is that the City asked the question “how much money does the Angels bring into to Anaheim?” rather than the question “how much money does the Angels bring into to Anaheim net of expenses?”  The former is “gross revenue“; the latter is “net revenue.”

Now let me ask you something: if you’re trying to assess the economic impact of a proposal on the City, should you want to look at gross revenue or at net revenue?  If you think that the relevant figure to examine is gross revenue, then you should not be employed in any activity relying on your financial judgment.

And, CSL’s assertion is that the City asked for gross revenue only — and so that’s what CSL gave them.  If you think that the term “horse manure” was too harsh above, you were wrong — it’s too kind.  Manure is useful.

So, to review Dan’s scenario again:

  1. The City hired agents to guide it through the process.
  2. The agents asked CSL for a study of gross revenue rather than net revenue.
  3. CSL said “sure, we can do that,” and produced such a study.
  4. CSL dressed up the study to make it look persuasive — as if it had used relevant data and the right measure.
  5. Charlie Black and friends used the report to get the City to adopt a certain course of action.

And Dan’s response to this is: “In that respect the city got what it paid for.”  Wow.

Well, yes — “the City” did get “what it paid for” so long as you conceive of the City as its government rather than its residents — but the residents of the City would presumably be shocked by this maneuver.  I concede that this story exculpates CSL from being idiots — but in my book, if you agree to do a study like this for a municipality without putting a big bright warning sticker on it, then you’re being a knave.  That may be a good way to get ahead in business — governments, not residents, make contracts with vendors — but it’s a contemptible practice that is contemptuous of the citizenry.

Hey, here’s a good study for the Register to do: find out how many people thought that the figures the City was using to make its decisions about these lease agreements were based on gross revenues without any thought of expenses.  (I’d even like to know what the City Councilmembers think of this!  Did they know?)

Dan notes that “using the consultant’s assumptions,” the $4.7 million in gross annual revenue turns into only $2.3 million in net revenue.  (As I’ve addressed before, the assumptions in the report are ridiculous because they base their calculation of how much money is spent in the City of Anaheim — when the stadium is right near hotels and restaurants in Orange and Garden Grove and not far from the facilities of Brea, Costa Mesa, and Irvine — by using figures derived from what people do in stadiums like Houston, where it’s a long drive to stay or eat in any other city!  So even those gross and net revenue figures — not based on a study of Anaheim, but on extrapolation from dissimilar stadiums — are, once again, horse manure.  With flies.

7. Just a Cherry-Pickin’ Minute Here

Dan lampoons my making much of Chapman University economist Esmael Adibi’s findings — actually, I just quoted them from Wisckol’s story — but says that I “neglect to state the economic impact report he conducted on the Angels was completed in 1996.”  Yeah — I don’t think that that matters.  As for “This was before the last big stadium renovation” — again: so?  Then comes the coup de grace:

Diamond missed this key statement from Adibi:

“There’s no question there’s a positive economic impact,” Adibi said. “The question is what it is. And there’s no question that there are firms that do this kind of work and maybe it would be better to go to academics.”

Diamond cherry picked the Register’s story.

This is truly, startlingly, dense — especially from someone who fancies himself a businessman.

“Positive economic impact” is almost meaningless in informing a policy decision because net revenues of as little as $1 are a “positive economic impact.”  What you want to know is — as Adibi says right there — the extent of that impact!

“Does the presence of the Angels bring in enough tax and other revenue to justify the level of concessions that the City is considering giving to Moreno?”

How can an intelligent person honestly think that the question to ask is not that, but “does the presence of the Angels in Anaheim bring in any money to the City at all?”  Because that’s all that “positive economic impact” says!

It’s actually worse than that, of course, because if Adibi hasn’t been attending as closely to these developments and people like Tait and Cynthia and Zenger and I have, he may not know that under the proposed MOU the City’s revenues would be throttled down in various respects compared  to the 1996 lease — and also that the City would be foregoing all other income that it could potentially get from the 155-acre parcel surrounding the Stadium — which it supposedly can’t develop because of the current lease.  (Here’s an idea for negotiators:  negotiate to change that part of the lease!)  (If Adibi hasn’t read the MOUs, he probably could not imagine that the City could be seriously considering such a disadvantageous deal.)

Toss in those factors and it wouldn’t surprise me if the City literally would make less money from this proposal than it would if it just told Moreno to buy the land and pay property taxes on it, or just chased him out of town and sold it to a university or a tech company for a campus.  And that’s why considering the actual degree of net positive economic impact is important — especially before signing these sorts of MOUs!

What Dan says is: “So even the Chapman economist says there’s a positive economic impact but determining what exactly it is isn’t easy.”

Dan is then nice enough to quote the Register as saying that Adibi

said increases in ticket prices and other costs that have exceeded inflation could conceivably bring that amount to the Texas consultant’s conclusion of $204 million– but for the entire county, not just for Anaheim as estimated in the $30,000 report by CSL.”

The mention of “increase in ticket prices” is why I don’t think that Adibi has been following the negotiations: the City’s share of them is capped — and will fall.  But the main point, as I made in the article in the previous link, is that the benefits will go to the whole county, not just to the City of Anaheim.

The costs, though, will go to Anaheim alone.  So that raises the question: “who is it that the Council Majority thinks that it is representing here?”  Not, it appears, primarily the people voting for them!

8. And So at Last We Return to Councilmember Brandman

So Dan has accused me of “cherry picking the Register’s story” (because I don’t acknowledge the estimates of a “net positive economic impact” — of some degree), doing “inadequate research on CSL” (because I didn’t acknowledge their strong client base and such and instead focused on the horse manure report itself) — and now we get to the crux: that I “[paint] an inaccurate picture of council member Jordan Brandman” — which he promises to take apart.’

I’m going to quote this at length.  The bullet points are my writing; the parenthetical comments are Dan’s:

  • That he is fully convinced of the Texas report’s findings.  (I am too; they reached the conclusions they did with the instructions they had; CSL was asked to gauge economic impact by revenue generated from the Angels, not assess the net after expenses.  The report should have been more extensive but the fault of this lies with who commissioned the report from City Hall, not CSL.)

Let me state this very clearly.  If Jordan Brandman’s statement that he is “fully convinced of the Texas report’s findings” means that he is convinced that it presents gross revenues to the City and not net revenues, then let him say so loud and clear at today’s meeting.  And if he adopts Dan’s argument, then maybe he can explain for our collective benefit why he thinks that gross rather than net revenues are what matters.

But I could certainly accept Dan’s assertion that the fault was in the instructions given to CSL — although I still place fault with CSL for agreeing to do a report that provides misleading data to help sell a lease agreement.  So let’s flesh that out: who made the mistake?  The one person who we can rule out is Mayor Tait — because the Council Majority isn’t listening to him and out of apparent self-preservation the Staff is following suit.  So I join Dan — or what I presume Dan should be saying — in trying to get to the bottom of how this fiasco occurred.  Who ordered the wrong item off of CSL’s menu?  Who hired that person?  How was that person instructed?  By all means — let’s get to the bottom of this!  (Kris Murray was in charge, right?  Maybe Dan can do another interview with her.)

  • That he absolutely believes them. (There is no reason not too; you can debate issues like hotel occupancy on tickets but I sure believe it occurs.  I try to see games in other cities when traveling on business.  If 9/11 didn’t happen, I had Braves tickets in Atlanta I was looking forward to using. I’m not the only one who does this and it’s not at all uncommon).

All right: Jordan was saying that he “absolutely believes” — what, exactly?  Absolute belief is a “strong statement.”  Shouldn’t Jordan say what it is that he absolutely believes?  He absolutely believes that the gross revenue from the Angels is a positive number?  WELL IT WOULD PRETTY MUCH HAVE TO BE BY DEFINITION, WOULDN’T IT?  But it that is all that he meant when talking to Wisckol, that would be nice to know!

  • That this is because they are a reputable source. (They certainly are based on years in business and client list; CSL has a solid business reputation.  If they didn’t, there is no way they’d have the business they do now and have a considerable number of clients who have pending projects; define reputable Diamond?  Is Mr. Fitzgerald, with his anti-Semitic and homophobic rants on behalf of a fake non-profit, reputable?  Are jailbirds Jason Young and Vern Nelson, who admitted to drinking a couple of beers with Mayor Tait, reputable?  They are when you push blog posts for promotion.  I’ll take CSL over the Clown Car anyday.)

“Reputable” means “having a good reputation.”  Since Dan asks, Vern is a reputable pianist and Jason is a reputable videographer — more than, in both cases.  My understanding is that Fitzgerald has been a reputable businessman; especially from generations as far back as his, some bigotry has not really been the sort of handicap that we would imagine today.  So for CSL, we have to say: “reputation for what“?

I don’t think that Brandman was complimenting CSL for being willing to give the client whatever certified horse manure that it wanted to toss at the public — even though that may be a great way to develop a “solid business reputation” in some fields.  I think that he would have meant that the results of CLS’s studies would be both reliable and valid.  So, again — if Brandman thinks that CSL giving us a study of gross revenue in these circumstances would be a “reputable” act, he should say so.  If it were me, I’d probably expect a reputable organization to produce the data that would permit valid inferences to be made about the topic under study.  Did they do so here?  If not, I’d expect a reputable organization to refuse the commission — just as if you gave a tailor some extremely flammable fabric and asked her to make you custom-made children’s pajamas out of it, she should refuse — because that’s not a reputable thing to do.  Again — Brandman can and should clarify what he meant.

  • That he respects the Chapman University economist cited by the Register. (So do I.  The economist said the Angels have a positive economic impact on the community and I agree).

Yeah — he said so in 1996, right?  Beyond that, I’d like to know why Jordan respects him; how he came to that conclusion; how that conclusion affects how he thinks about the MOUs.  Because what he’s about to say does not sound like respect for his intellectual work.

  • That he nevertheless dismisses that economist’s statements out of hand. (He did not; he acknowledged it.  You’re putting words in his mouth he never said.  And I call bullshit on Diamond for suggesting it).

What Jordan said was that Adibi’s comments about his study “didn’t change his view.”  That is, he dismissed them.  He said that he respected the man, but was unmoved by the comments.  For using the word “dismisses,” Dan says that I’m lying.  I’m saying: go ahead and judge Dan by that one.

  • That he respects people’s right to disagree. (We should all respect people’s right to disagree).

As John Adams said, people are entitled to their own opinions but not their own facts.  If someone disagrees because they’re making up their own facts, they forfeit their right to respect in that circumstance.  And if someone knowingly uses a gross income measure when they know that a net income measure is appropriate — or represents the former as the latter — they are in essence making up their own facts.

  • That economists always disagree so the disagreement doesn’t bother him. (Brandman said, “Economists do it (disagree) all the time.” He didn’t say they always disagree.  He said they do, because economists do, in fact, disagree.  All one has to do to confirm that is read different economist’s views on Healthcare Reform. For example, it’s true that Tom Tait drinks with a convicted drunk driver.  But it’s not true that Tait might have said, “another beer Vern?” Let’s not put words in anyone’s mouth).

I’ll concede that “continually” would have been a better choice of word than “always.”  I also doubt that anyone took my statement to mean that Jordan believed that no two economists ever agreed on anything.

  • That the study is solid. (As solid as it could be; another one is needed that is more detailed).

See, when I’m considering policies, and I say that a study relevant to choosing among them is “solid,” I’m saying something like “it provides firm grounds for us to rely upon to guide our decisions.”  If Brandman instead meant “they were asked to look at the wrong measure and by God that’s what they did!”, I hope he’ll explain that that’s what he meant — and why he’d ever say such a thing to Wisckol.

  • That he believes it. (On the main point, that the Angels contribute positive economic benefits to Anaheim and Orange County, so do I and so does Chapman’s Adibi).

Jordan’s actual words, following saying that the study is solid, were “and I believe it.”  All that stuff that Dan adds about positive economic benefits to Anaheim and — hmmm, why does Dan add “and Orange County?” — that is, ironically enough, Dan putting words in Brandman’s mouth!  What would be really interesting for Dan to do, if he had the guts, would be to watch the video of Brandman’s representations to the Council since September 3 — and find out if he seems to be talking about gross revenue or net revenue.

If he’s been talking about net revenue from the Angels all along, then according to Dan he has apparently misunderstood this study and those confident endorsements he made of it are very wrong.

Worse, if he’s been talking about gross revenues all along in his comments during meetings, then, he’s been using the wrong numbers to decide about what makes a good policy.  Then the question becomes whether he just didn’t understand what he’d been doing — or whether he was deliberately trying to mislead.

I may have to round up a posse to help me weed through his comments.

9. Some Concluding Remarks

Dan had some more to say, but it’s neither worth reading nor responding to.

I promised when commenting on Dan’s story to port my responses here, so I’ll end with them.  The first was addressed to Vern, whom Dan laid into viciously for his DUIs in commenting on his own article.  (I do not recommend reading the comments.  If you value Vern at all, they will make you dislike Dan a lot.)

I’ll bet that Dan doesn’t even know the methodological attack that I made on the CSL study — after I heard the guy from there explain his methodology about three yards away from me.

And, I’ll suggest a strategy. Dan may not have figured out yet that h’s sudden concession that a “new, more detailed and likely more expensive study that interviews Angels-game attendees is needed for a more accurate picture” of the Angels’ impact on Anaheim undercuts what I vaguely recall were his firm conclusions that this was a good deal with the county — perhaps even lining up behind my “it depends upon the price!” banner. If I were feeling mean, I’d go back and review all of his statements and evaluate them in light of this concession, but I’m not masochistic enough.

Dan also may not have realized that the implication of his conclusion — that CSL did nothing wrong, but simply asked for the wrong study to be done — is that whoever at the City put in the order to analyze gross revenues rather than net revenues is either a borderline imbecile OR was intentionally trying to generate plausible sounding results so as to snooker the public. Which it was, I can’t say — but both are pretty damning! One might want to explore how this happened. Maybe Dan can ask his friend Brandman to sound the alarm. (Why wouldn’t he do so, after all? Ha-ha.)

My hope remains that Brandman’s political soul can be saved. Maybe working in Ian Calderon’s office while that family’s empire collapses in shame will help. If Pringle becomes beleaguered enough — and I, unlike Dan, am set on beleaguering him — Brandman may well want to jump ship. He’ll be a better person, as well as a better Democrat, if and when that happens.

(OJB readers, I’ll cross-post this back home. Along with one I’ve been saving.)

And this was my reply to Dan’s accusing me — without giving detail, but apparently for the reasons identified above — of “lying.”

Accusing me of lying, Dan? It looks like you finally figured out the meaning of defamation — and wanted to give it a whirl. If our roles were reversed, I’d probably be threatening you with a lawsuit over it — and then failing to come through when challenged. Happily, I’m not you — and I know that showing actual damages would mean having to prove in court that people took what you wrote seriously. That’s a pretty steep hill.

It would still be easier that your trying to prove that my accusing you of bull*****ing (I know how you hate profanity) would harm you in your chosen profession, though.

I notice that, characteristically, that’s a very general statement. You may think inures you from challenge because there are no specifics there for me to attack. So I invite you to spell out exactly where you think I’m “lying” about Jordan. Here’s a badly needed clue in that respect: what you did up above there — that’s not anywhere near good enough.

(As for my quitting my DPOC position: you want me to abandon my quest to save young Jordan’s soul? What sort of monster are you?)

(Oh wait — I just re-read your comments about Vern. Now I remember what sort of monster you are.)

See y’all at the Council meeting this evening.  I’m not sure whether I’ll talk about this or something else.  There’s so much to say to them these days!

About Greg Diamond

Somewhat verbose attorney, semi-disabled and semi-retired, residing in northwest Brea. Occasionally ran for office against jerks who otherwise would have gonr unopposed. Got 45% of the vote against Bob Huff for State Senate in 2012; Josh Newman then won the seat in 2016. In 2014 became the first attorney to challenge OCDA Tony Rackauckas since 2002; Todd Spitzer then won that seat in 2018. Every time he's run against some rotten incumbent, the *next* person to challenge them wins! He's OK with that. Corrupt party hacks hate him. He's OK with that too. He does advise some local campaigns informally and (so far) without compensation. (If that last bit changes, he will declare the interest.) His daughter is a professional campaign treasurer. He doesn't usually know whom she and her firm represent. Whether they do so never influences his endorsements or coverage. (He does have his own strong opinions.) But when he does check campaign finance forms, he is often happily surprised to learn that good candidates he respects often DO hire her firm. (Maybe bad ones are scared off by his relationship with her, but they needn't be.)