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(1) “Bury Veterans, not the lede!”
Irvine’s City Council will decide Tuesday at 4 p.m., hopefully with you in attendance!, whether it will move OC’s planned Veterans Cemetery from a site including a toxic waste dump from the days of Marine Corps Air Base at El Toro — which three years ago was nevertheless the best available option for siting in 2014, but is not so in 2017 — to one adjacent to the northbound approach to the “El Toro Y” the junction of OC’s main north(west)-south(east) routes from San Diego to northern California.
Opponents of the move, motivated by implacable hatred of the developer FivePoints Communities and its owner Emile Haddad — who did so much (and so much of it in violation of election law) to destroy the longstanding Larry Agran/Beth Krom Democratic hegemony over the city — have hit upon their final argument before tomorrow’s hearing, and it is this:
Democratic Councilwoman Melissa Fox, if you cast your deciding vote for moving the cemetery on June 6, we will destroy your political career!
I disagree with Melissa Fox and her husband Mike Fox (and their close friend and ally Florice Hoffman) about all sorts of issues within the party, although we generally agree on issues related to the outside world. But I will say this on behalf of Melissa.
She never served in the military, as her father did, but she clearly appreciates its principles. She has never, to my knowledge, in her entire life been called upon to show valor under fire. But for people to be putting her in a position where, as a civilian politician, she finally has the chance to show that valor, in support of a cause that is fundamentally about HONORING VALOR, is so deliciously stupid and self-defeating that it’s no surprise that its online home is among anonymous commenters at Liberal OC.
The chance to stare down cowardly “enemy” snipers and do what’s right must be intoxicating for her.
As for these threats from what is usually the “Party Unity, yay!” crowd — well, a lot more voters in Irvine are likely to admire political courage than to care about the stance of a bitter-at-his-actual-moment-of-triumph Larry Agran. If he wants to support Christine Shea for Mayor instead of Melissa, for example, the rest of us will have to just sit back and enjoy the spectacle. But I think that he and his will think better of it.
Melissa will probably, after this vote, do more than anyone on Council — especially if she can bring herself to support equally valorous and like-minded-on-this-issue Farrah Khan, whose support she’ll badly need if Agran gets too mopey and pissy, for Council after undermining her last year — to turn the resulting cemetery into something that does salvage a substantial measure of Agran’s vision for greatness at the site. She’s not “for FivePoint,” she’s for veterans — it’s not “three from FivePoint and two from its opponents,” it’s two vs. two with a veterans’ advocate in the middle” — and if Agran and his troops don’t want to admit it now they will do so soon enough once the battle has ended and the building has begun.
(2) Welcome to Strawberry Fields
This is what opponents of the land swap describe as an inferior site for a grand public memorial site, sitting right at the end (or beginning, for arrivals) of the runway that took so many soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines towards and to Asia. It was part of MCAS El Toro, but the part reserved for aborted takeoffs and premature landings, that would better squash strawberry plants than people in buildings. Military personnel, rather than agricultural workers, passed over it from some dozens of metres in the air.
It was the moment of “goodbye” — and, for many, of “goodbye forever.” Symbolically, it is just about perfect; functionally, it is prominent and convenient to rapid transit (Irvine Metrolink) and to the eyes of children in the back seats of cars passing by.

Strawberry Field Harvest in Irvine, from Karen Jeske’s fine California Blog, at http://www.california-blog.com/photos-information-places/2010/4/7/irvine-ca-strawberry-fields.html
As a comic interlude, there is also a nearby golf course and wedding event site called Strawberry Farms that has reportedly been a little bit miffed and jittery aboutt the “Strawberry Fields” name, because some of its patrons have been a bit frantic about their site being knocked down for a Veterans Cemetery. They shouldn’t worry: if there’s one secular thing more sacred in Orange County than a Veterans Cemetery, it’s a golf course. Anyway, to help you tell the difference, here it is:

Here it is. Quite beautiful on the inside — you could look it up at sf-golf.com, if you’d like — but if we printed those pictures we’d have to charge them.
You’re safe, golfers and wedding celebrants. No veterans remains anywhere around there! You can relax now — and remember to swing from the belly.
There is a silly argument (in my opinion) over whether this site or the original ARDA site is really “part of the Great Park,” which has driven some very slanted poll questions from the Agran sponsored local newspaper. BOTH WERE PART OF MCAS-EL TORO. They were at opposite ends of the runway; one experienced the rumble of planes slightly off the ground and one was where the planes started and stopped (and the fluids that ran and cleaned them were dumped.) NEITHER IS AN INTRINSIC PART OF “THE GREAT PARK,” because the Great Park IS whatever the hell the City Council SAYS it is!
Anyone who thinks that the City Council will prefer to consider the Vets Cemetery simply “adjacent to” the Great Park rather than its crown jewel is, um, sniffing jet fuel. OF COURSE it will be integrated into the Great Park, as it should be. What matters is that it WAS PART OF MCAS-EL TORO! You can change the boundaries of the Great Park — just as Irvine changed its own boundaries when it annexed the site — with a simple resolution, but you can’t rewrite decades of history with one!
The past is fixed. The future is what we make of it.
And right now, we are making that future very fast, hurtling towards an unexpectedly prompt conclusion. Break ground now, on this site, and Governor Brown may be able to preside over the first internment at the cemetery that he has done so much to help make happen. (I LIKE THAT!) The governor agrees that it is Irvine’s right to choose a site, and the legislation to make it happen — shepherded by OC’s Sharon Quirk-Silva and Josh Newman, is as “can’t fail” as can be imagined. (My bet is that it is so “can’t fail” that the Rules Committee will declare it immune to any riders so that no pet projects can piggyback on it.) Now that Council vote will happen — and the starter’s gun will fire.
(3) The Merits
FivePoint’s proposal for its building the land on the cemetery (at no public expense) as a sweetener to the land swap appears to be satisfactory to the Orange County Veterans Memorial Park Foundation, or OCVMP and the politicians and state officials who have a stake in making sure that this all truly does come to fruition. [Full Disclosure: I have been involved with OCVMP — sometimes attending meetings with Brian Chuchua and sometimes offering my thoughts and advice otherwise — since December 2013 or January 2014. Not having been hired by them as a formal legal counsel, I owe them no duty of loyalty — but as the father of a now-deployed sailor I do owe them a huge debt of gratitude for what they’ve done and my writings are motivated solely by that.]
I do wish that FivePoint’s offer were even better — I wish that Emile Haddad would just sign FivePoint over to the City, in hey, and let’s wish for Donald Bren to do the same for the Irvine Company while we’re at it, but both prospects seem just a tad unrealistic — but at some point one has done as much negotiating as one can and the deal is what it is. Yes, the promises have to be locked in securely — but Irvine has a pretty excellent City Staff and legal team to take care of that sort of thing. If FivePoint wants to betray Gov. Brown and an excitable state legislature, well, it can try, but it has much more to gain by keeping its promises.
But beyond that — and beyond the threats to Melissa Fox — boy, is there a lot of disinformation going around from those who hate FivePoint more than they love veterans! Speaking of that, if you’d like to go read Melissa’s statement favoring the Strawberry Field site — EXCLUSIVE TO LIBERAL OC!!! — click that link. (Leave a comment saying “Greg Diamond sent me here” if you’d like; we’ll see how many of those he publishes. Remember, you can comment there anonymously — and with a fake email address!) I can quote three paragraphs without him contacting me about it:
I believe that the Strawberry Field Site is by far the most advantageous for the residents of Irvine. This site, overwhelmingly preferred by the Orange County Veterans Memorial Park Committee (OCVMP), saves at a minimum $77.5 million in city, state and national tax dollars, does not require the substantial remediation and decontamination of the original site, and reduces traffic through the City.
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My strong commitment to an Orange County Veterans Cemetery located on the grounds of the old El Toro Marine base in Irvine has never wavered. My goal remains to establish this cemetery as expeditiously as possible.
Here are the facts:
The ARDA was last appraised in 2014 at $9,425,224. In 2105 [sic., probably intended to be either 2005 or 2015], the developer sold 72 acres adjacent to the Strawberry Field Site for $128,000,000.
OOOOH, that’s a nice find, given the “ARDA is so valuable and Strawberry Fields is trash” argument going around. The point, of course, is that ARDA is more valuable FOR HOUSES and Strawberry Fields is more valuable FOR A STUNNING PUBLIC MEMORIAL THAT WILL ATTRACT NOTICE AND TOURISM. I don’t want my house to face right against a freeway — but I sure do want my public attraction to be! (There’s a reason that Angels Stadium wasn’t built in freeway-poor La Habra!)
Among the other points she makes — and I wrote the above before reading her piece — are that neither site is within the original boundaries of the proposed Great Park (ARDA because of toxic waste and Strawberry because the city didn’t own it!) but both were on MCAS – El Toro.
- FivePoint doesn’t seek additional entitlements at the Strawberry Field site.
- ARDA — which includes the requirement to remediate toxic waste — could end up costing more than the estimated $80-million-odd price tag, of which $38 million would be covered by the city, $30 million — of a $40 million request, the pointed denial of $10 million of which to the widely-beloved-in-Sacramento Sharon Quirk-Silva suggests that the legislature knew exactly what their preference was between the two sites, and $10 million of which would supposedly come from the federal government.
- I’d add — one reason for the switch is that FivePoint would almost surely continue to fight the ARDA site, as would the largely Chinese residents surrounding it — and stopping that extra $10 million could be the choke point for that.
- ARDA contains 77 buildings that need to be demolished in addition to the toxic waste dump, which she says — and I did not know this! — “the largest Superfund Project in the Nation”! In contrast, the agricultural Strawberry Fields site requires only the picking of the remaining ripe strawberries — which is itself technically optional. If it gets in the state budget for the upcoming year — and this vote is happening so quickly specifically to facilitate that! — then we could break ground far sooner. (This has been lied about often on LibOC.)
- The City funding that would be used for the ARDA site — which comes from what was once Redevelopment money — can, if not used here, could be used by the city for other useful municipal purposes.
- OCVMP strongly favors the Strawberry Field Site because it suits the needs of a highly visible public memorial so perfectly.
I would add this to that: while lots of cities have tall buildings like those found in Irvine’s financial center, most have City Halls that are not that much less snazzy than Irvine’s, and many have fine colleges that look like UCI, very few have major veterans memorials visible from major freeway junctions. The point being: that this is going to be the visible emblem of the City of Irvine — and maybe all of South Orange County — for decades if not centuries from now. It will be considered, in a word: “GREAT.” So if everyone is going to want to take credit for it in the future, they might has well help make it happen now!
I’m going to add some additional refutations of some misleading statements elsewhere — look for the word “UPDATED” at the top when I do — for now I want to get this published. See you at the Council meeting at 4:00 or earlier to get good seats!
Great Article, Greg.
Thanks for the thoroughness!
My comment on Spencer Custodio’s disappointing story in yesterday’s Voice of OC:
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I hate to say it, Spencer, but this is a pretty slanted and shoddy story.
(1) Fox campaigned for it to have been on the ARDA site (the originally approved one) because at the time that was the best site offered. Had this site been introduced as a prospect at the time, it is likely that it would have been chosen.
(2) As Fox has pointed out on her website, sales prices of adjoining properties suggests that the lots are probably of comparable value — particularly in light of the need for a huge toxic waste Superfund cleanup on a corner of the ARDA site. But the basic difference between them is this: the ARDA site is well suited for residential or (preferably) commercial development — or, even more preferably, for gardens and such that would increase the quality of living for those living nearby — while the Strawberry site is extremely well suited for what is likely to become the largest tourist attraction in Irvine and the very symbol of the city. (Lots of places have tall buildings and universities. Few have veterans memorials and cemeteries at the juncture of one of the most iconic freeway interchanges in California.) Each lot should be able to be devoted to its own best use.
(3) The OCVMP foundation is clear about “who it represents”: veterans and others — in my case, families of veterans, as my daughter is now deployed with the Navy — who are interested in a OC veterans’ cemetery. It “represents” no interest beyond that. None of them seem to know Ed Pope, a veterans who — to be charitable — seems to have entered this movement belatedly. Why does HE get this sort of press? Is this a take on the old Army slogan: “a faction of one”?
(4) The conservative PAC attacking Sharon Quirk-Silva is likely simply focused on trying to defeat her in AD-65. FivePoint would be stupid to attack this figure and leader who is extremely popular with the veterans and who is pointedly neutral on the question of site selection, content to follow the wishes of Irvine’s City Council.
(5) Perhaps the reason that the Wagner-Fox letter doesn’t mention the $10 million from the federal government is that, should the ARDA site remain the chosen one, it really IS no sure thing. It becomes the choke point that FivePoint could still use, given its motivation, to shut off any hope of a Veterans Cemetery entirely. Anyone who thinks that they’d simply fold, rather than try to convince the mercurial Trump Administration to move their way, is dreaming.
(6) Fox disputes the assertion that the entitlements will move with the swap. The article should have sought her out for comment on that point. That also, of course, speaks to Agran’s expressed concerns. Hopefully that will be clarified tonight.
(7) As Agran surely understands, the Council has as much right to change the law now — now that a superior option has arisen — as it had to pass the original measure in 2014. I hope that he will recognize that the prominent placement of this memorial — rather than his desire to prevent FivePoint from profiting more than it otherwise might — will be the lasting reminder to history of his drive to stop the move of the airport to this very site and of his vision in getting a veterans cemetery to restore some of the originally planned greatness of the Great Park.
(And yes, it will be within the Great Park. Just as Irvine changed its own boundaries when it incorporated the base, so can it now change the boundaries of the Great Park to incorporate this lot of land, which it will now own.)
Thank you, Greg, for the analysis.
Here is Melissa’s Fox complete statement on the land exchange from her own blog:
The Strawberry Fields Site is the Best Location for the Veterans Cemetery. Now Let’s Get it Done!
I believe that locating the Orange County Veterans Cemetery at the Strawberry Fields Site is by far the most advantageous option for the residents of Irvine.
This site, overwhelmingly preferred by the Orange County Veterans Memorial Park Committee (OCVMP), saves at a minimum $77.5 million in city, state and national tax dollars, does not require the substantial remediation and decontamination of the original site, and reduces traffic through the City.
I was one of the earliest and strongest advocates for a Veterans Cemetery located at the old El Toro Marine Air Station. I attended and spoke at every Irvine City Council meeting where the Veterans Cemetery was discussed. I was also tremendously proud that my father, a Korean War combat veteran, joined with many other Orange County veterans and spoke to the Irvine City Council, urging them to support a veterans cemetery in a portion of the former Marine Corps base. As an Irvine resident and as the daughter of a combat veteran, I believe that it is time that Orange County offered its veterans, who have sacrificed so much for us, a final resting place close to their families and loved ones.
My strong commitment to an Orange County Veterans Cemetery located on the grounds of the old El Toro Marine base in Irvine has never wavered. My goal remains to establish this cemetery as expeditiously as possible.
Here are the facts:
The original ARDA Site and the proposed Strawberry Fields Site are both within the borders of the old El Toro Marine Base.
Neither the ARDA Site nor the Strawberry Fields Site are within the boundaries of the Great Park. Both are contiguous to the Great Park: The Wildlife Corridor bisects the Strawberry Field Site and the ARDA Site sits just to the north of the park.
For providing the Strawberry Fields Site and a financial commitment to build the entirety of the veterans cemetery through Phase 1, the developer seeks no additional entitlements, only to move what they already have at the Strawberry Fields Site to the ARDA Site, adding no new housing, no additional traffic and no additional automobile trips.
The $77.5 million estimate to prepare the ARDA site is only an estimate. The ARDA Site contains 77 buildings that would need to be demolished, and a dump site filled with unknown materials dumped over the entire lifespan of the base which is the largest Superfund Project in the Nation.
The ARDA Site contains FAA facilities that must remain in use and cannot be removed.
The Strawberry Fields Site is currently used as agricultural fields. No decontamination or demolition would be necessary before construction could begin.
The majority of the funding for the Great Park comes from a settlement with the State of California for the return of $280 million over an unspecified period of time. A portion of those funds are dedicated to affordable housing, leaving $258 million available for the Park. The $38 million proposed by the City would come from these funds, necessarily reducing the funds available for gardens, museums, a library, maintenance and operations.
The veteran members of the OCVMP Committee, who have fought for an Orange County Veterans Cemetery on the grounds of the old MCAS El Toro for many years, favor the Strawberry Field Site because it would be more visible from the freeway, has easier access, and the motorcade traffic and daily rifle volleys would not impact surrounding residences and schools.
The ARDA was last appraised in 2014 at $9,425,224. In 2105, the developer sold 72 acres adjacent to the Strawberry Fields Site for $128,000,000.
This is not – and should not be – a partisan issue.
Let’s do what’s best for Orange County veterans and for the residents of Irvine.
Let’s get it done.
https://melissafoxblog.com/2017/06/05/the-strawberry-fields-site-is-the-best-location-for-the-veterans-cemetery-now-lets-get-it-done/
That’s odd. The Lib OC story literally begins like this:
Maybe “Exclusive” means something different in the Public Relations Professional world. Had I known that it was the exact same document but for the initial “thank you,” I’d have just flat-out published it whole.
I hope that she stands strong tomorrow — and I have every reason to think that she will.
*Where are the drawings? Where are the Architectual renderings? Where is the plan?
Talk…Talk…Talk……but what will the concept wind up being explained in detail? How can you change locations when you have no idea of what the original concept should look like? Oh, just throw down a bunch of stones on some green astroturf perhaps?
Give us a break electeds…..have an idea that doesn’t exclusively include money to your re-election campaign.
I support the Strawberry Fields site for the cemetery. It’s still on the grounds of the old base and the opponents of the site just want to peddle the Five Points Communities conspiracy theories without offering a viable alternative that will not impact traffic in our already congested city.
In addition, Councilmember Fox does not deserve any of the venom directed at her by the opponents of the Strawberry Farms site. She is one of the approachable councilmembers I can recall in my years of living in Irvine. She takes the time to listen to people and is very civil. Plus, she’s done a lot to get our youth of Irvine engaged in civic involvement. That is more than I can say for Agran and Lalloway based on my experience and observations.
The dishonesty and deceitfulness of Larry Agran is shown in the email he sent out this morning urging people to attend the Irvine City Council meeting to “save the veterans cemetery in the Great Park.”
First, there is no need to “save” the veterans cemetery — the only question is its location. Second, the original site — which Agran so desperately wants to “save” — is not actually in the Great Park, but is next to its northern boarder. It is also the far worse site based on cost, readiness, visibility, and traffic.
IMO Agran just wants to punish FivePoint and will sell out the veterans to do so. He is also in shock and angry that an Irvine Democrat has dared to disagree with him. His attacks on Melissa’s integrity and character are despicable. Of course, people can disagree in good faith about the proper location for the cemetery. But if you stoop to saying or believing that Melissa is in any way corrupt, then please unfriend me now, on Facebook and in real life.
Melissa Fox is a hero. She’ll do what she believes is right for the veterans and the City of Irvine no matter what.
And she takes orders from no one.
A final and desperate grab to preserve his legacy of failure at the Great Park. It is pretty shameful.
On behalf of OJers in the North, best of luck tonight. May your council choose wisely and selflessly.
Well, that particular commenter is very well situated to know what the swing vote on the council is going to do!
Voice of OC has an article out :
http://voiceofoc.org/2017/06/irvine-city-council-set-to-move-vets-cemetery-to-strawberry-field/
has an interesting mix of statements. First, they seem to question the motives of OCVMP:
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The foundation, which doesn’t provide information on who it represents and has minor financial resources, according to its IRS filings, helped get the state to grant the Great Park site for a cemetery in 2014.
“Those people (the foundation) are a faction … but we can’t know that they represent the feelings of a majority of the vets here in Orange County in any means,” veteran and Irvine resident Ed Pope said, adding many veterans favor the original El Toro Marine base site near the Great Park.
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So Ed Pope has a beef with where this is going.
But what the heck is this about?
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The vote to support the FivePoint site comes as a conservative political action committee is using robocalls to target Democratic Assemblywoman Sharon Quirk-Silva of Fullerton, who wrote the 2014 legislation creating a veterans cemetery in Irvine.
The robocalls accuse Quirk-Silva of trying to use state tax funds for “her pet project in Irvine” but never mention it is a veterans cemetery that would serve all of southern California.
The robocall campaign, organized by a group called the California Taxpayer Protection Committee, claims Quirk-Silva is taking money out of north Orange County.
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CTPC has been around for at least 10 years. CTPC is usually involved in state-wide ballot races supporting corporate interests. Guessing these calls are paid for by Five Points wouldn’t be the craziest guess.
That’s a pretty rotten article in VOC, frankly. Quite uncharacteristic of them.
I have no idea why FivePoint would be attacking Sharon at this moment. Sharon is a hero to OCVMP and she is explicitly neutral on site selection, willing to follow the lead of Irvine’s City Council.
I presume that this is Republicans in her district trying to make hay of an item that is in the news, and nothing more.