Yesterday the Santa Ana Planning Commission was asked to consider a Conditional Use Permit requested by the owners of the new Buffalo Wild Wings Restaurant that is supposed to open up at 1945 East Seventeenth St., over by Tustin Ave. This is the new building that you may have seen being built next to OSH.
The CUP involved granting an Alcohol Beverage License and allowing this new restaurant to be open after-hours.
Normally this type of CUP would be no big deal, but a number of residents in the immediate area showed up and were not happy about this restaurant opening up literally in their backyard.
Santa Ana Businessman Mike Tardiff, who also resides in the area, sent me these comments regarding this development and the CUP request:
Buffalo Wild Wings sports bar is asking for an exception from the code via a Conditional Use Permit. They are requesting to stay open until midnight during the week — and until 1:00 am on Friday and Saturday nights. These operational hours will place an extreme hardship on residents of Parkwood, Meredith and Portola neighborhoods.
These are homes of Santa Ana working families. Many of whom go to bed early in order to wake early for work. You can imagine the hardship placed on these residents when any number of noises generated by extended hours wake them at 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning.
Noises such as car doors opening and closing, car alarms, loud patrons and employees leaving the sports bar, loud music and engine noises from vehicles and many more. This will be a difficult situation for residents to cope with even if the business were to operate during normal hours of restaurant opening and closing.
The noise and other problems will negatively effect property values in the neighborhood. This will discourage home ownership and encourage more rentals. This will lead to increased graffiti and crime for the entire neighborhood, not just those residents immediately adjacent to Buffalo Wild Wings.
Buffalo Wild Wings should not be granted an exception to the code to be able to operate into the early morning hours.
They should be required to operate by the same rules as other restaurants in Santa Ana which the Planning Commission has restricted to 10:00 pm closing.
Planning Commissioner Harvey De La Torre decided to fight for the residents and he ended up tangling with his fellow Commissioner, Sean MIll. I believe that George Collins has put some of the audio, if not the video, up at his website, Santa Ana Insight.
Mill brought up an interesting point – De La Torre was happy to give the Crosby bar everything they wanted when the Planning Commission considered the Crosby’s CUP. Here’s the rub – the owners of the Crosby are newcomers to the bar and restaurant business, while the owners of the Buffalo Wild Wings Restaurant are seasoned pros who have had success in locations all over the United States.
Ultimately De La Torre voted along with Mill and the other Commissioners to grant the CUP request to Buffalo Wild Wings.
Normally I would side with the residents in matters like these, but I agree in this case with Mill. We need businesses like this in our town. They will bring tax revenue and give folks something to do locally. And I don’t think they will be such awful neighbors. I live a ten minute walk away from the MainPlace Mall and the CityPlace. There are restaurants in both locations and I have never observed any issues. But I don’t like that McCormick & Schmick’s closes at ten p.m. That is far too early.
Furthermore, I don’t buy that clients of this new restaurant will be cutting through neighborhood streets to get to Buffalo Wild Wings. They will use Seventeenth and Tustin. And the location is freeway close.
Mill also brought up a few good points – this place is a sports bar. Of course they have to be open early on Sundays and later during the week. That makes sense to me.
I am a lot more upset about the stupid luxury condo tower that developer Robert Bisno wants to build near the Park Santiago neighborhood. That project will dump thousands of cars onto an already crowded Main St. But this new restaurant doesn’t look to be anything more than a neat new place to hang out. I really can’t fault the Planning Commission for approving the CUP.
I do feel bad for the owners of this new restaurant. Little do they know what they are in for! I hope their business does not get tagged, robbed and shot at.
Readers? What say you?
These are the same neigbhors who fought the installation of a car repair business in the same vicinity.
C’mon, it could’ve been a Hooters Mills was promoting. Buffalo Wilds Wings will be a nice addition to the city.
McCormick and Schmicks at City Place and the Black Angus on Tustin are required to close at 10:00 pm – because these restaurants are near residents.
Does anyone know why these restaurants are so restricted, to protect the residents, but Parkwood, Meredith and Portola neighborhoods are not equally protected ?
i like this a nice clean place in santa ana to hang out and watch games . i am all for it
“I do feel bad for the owners of this new restaurant. Little do they know what they are in for! I hope their business does not get tagged, robbed and shot at”
Really?? Have you been to that neighborhood?? Those are families that live there. They are not going to do that to the owners of that restaurant. I lived there for the first 30 years of my life and my parents still live there. My parents are good tax paying and business owners in SANTA ANA.
Oh by the way Art. A 10 minute walk to City Walk is a HUGE difference than having a sports bar in your backyard.
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Danielle,
Good points – but please know I did not intend to malign the folks that live near this site. What I meant is that the bad guys in Santa Ana tend to ruin such places. Look at what has happened to Original Mike’s. A guy was shot and killed there a few weeks ago!
And a new Subway that opened up near Main and 17th was immediately tagged – before it even opened up.
Our City Clowncil just cannot get a handle on crime – maybe because so many cops are patrolling the Mayor’s neighborhood, Floral Park, when they ought to be out doing their jobs elsewhere.
As for the comparison to the City Place, that is all I can offer. I don’t know what it will be like for the residents living by this new restaurant, but if you choose to buy a house by a busy thoroughfare, which Seventeenth has been for many years, you ought not be surprised by development.
This reminds me of folks who buy homes next to an airport then complain about the noise.
Irvine has a curfew for restaurants in the city and those establishments are not even close to residents as this new place, BWW is to SA residents.
People who stay after dinner time drinking and watching sports can be very loud and discourteous. Alcohol lowers inhibitions and judgement.
If I were a resident, I’d fight the extended hours, too.
Art,
The original development plans and EIR for this site did not permit car parking behind the building – now 100 cars may park in the rear of the building – only feet from homeowners bedrooms. That is bait and switch for the residents.
There are other “interesting” factors that the City has brought into this situation – see my above comment.
Also, there is an elementary school serving special needs children in the same shopping center directly opposite and only 200 feet from this sports bar – HOW WISE IS THAT ???
See for yourself – http://www.doraziolearningcenter.com
Red,
Valid analogy – but at what point do you end up chasing away new businesses and ending up with more wedding shops, taco shacks, and tire stores?
What about Anaheim? Aren’t they developing condos around restaurants? They don’t seem to be perturbed by this. And Anaheim is booming!
Mike,
The parking issue is indeed a bait and switch, but will the kids at this private school even be there at night? And why would people going to a nice sports bar necessarily be a threat to them during the day? I would imagine local businessmen would be lunching there during the day. Am I missing something?
“The original development plans and EIR for this site did not permit car parking behind the building – now 100 cars may park in the rear of the building – only feet from homeowners bedrooms. That is bait and switch for the residents.”
Mike,
You were there at the meeting so I am surprised that you make a statement such as this. We required a gate be put up to prevent anyone but employees of the facility, many of whom are doctors that will operate on the upper half of the building.
There will not be a bunch of coming and going by patrons of Buffalo Wild Wings at all hours of the day and night as you are trying to imply. We, the commission, mitigated that by requiring the gate and fence which will prevent patrons of the facility from entering that area.
Perhaps you missed that portion of the meeting.
It is puzzling to me that a new restaurant building and business can be launched and only then are operating issues addressed. These restaurant owners must have felt the project was feasible under existing city rules before they sought a liquor and operating hours exception approval, no? So, if they had been turned down on these requests it would not have been the end of the project —
Sean,
Gate mitigation may be effective if there are two gates, one on each end of the building – and they are both card controlled (or guard controlled) restricting access to employees only after 5:30 pm.
Will BWW and the other 8 restaurants in this new center be able to meet their code required parking requirements?
The devil is in the details. And the neighborhood is not privy to the details of this gate mitigation.
What is the fence mitigation item? I missed the details of that – are they going to build a solid fence at 8 ft. height on the north and west sides – same as was required for the much quieter OSH harware store on the east?
Sean,
I know that, technically, BWW meets the SA code requirement that an establishment (bar) which serves primarily liquor must be 1,000 feet from a school.
Personally, how do you feel about a sports bar being located in the same shopping center, directly opposite and only 200 feet from an elementary school which serves special needs children?
Art,
re. your post #9
BWW describes their sports bar as a “casual dining restaurant”. That is a bold face lie.
This sports bar is the same as a Hooters. Would you want a Hooters sports bar within the same shopping center and only 200 feet from an elementary school which serves special needs kids?
Looks like all that is needed is a sound wall.
The home owners should have bought that land a long time ago and put an open space easement on it.
It is amusing to see so much concern about a restaurant in a residential community.
I have not read the same concern or support for the Logan neighborhod from these neighborhods in question in regards to the industrial encroachment into the Logan neighborhood.
The quality of life issues between the two developments in these neighborhood does not come close in comparison.
Some are arguing in effect that it is alright for businesses to encrouach one neighborhood but not another. Except that a restaurant is considered as part of a communities fabric.
Logic must prevail. Children are exposed to alcohol in their homes by their parent’s liqour in cabinets, , at their dinner table, refrigirators and home bars. So how does a sports bar near a school really matter.
Prohibition did not work.
Let’s clarify a few of the issues.
1. Drunk Drivers. Patrons leaving the Grill & Bar have to turn right on 17th due to the traffic island. Their first opportunity to go another direction is on the corner of 17th & Sherry. If they turn right to go north, they are in a residential neighborhood filled with kids. They will do this because they can get to Tustin Ave or Santa Clara without dealing with street lights AND intoxicated drivers love right turns.
There will be traffic through the neighborhood from the Grill & Bar during hours when kids are out playing (lunch, happy hour). It’s only a matter of time before a kid gets it from a drunk driver.
2. Elementary School. There will be kids and parents coming and going from the school for evening activities. Mixing the happy hour crowd with these special needs children will be a disaster.
3. Late Night Noise. Locating a place of business that is open till 1am (or is it 2am) next to a residential area is poor planning. It degrades the residential area and turns clean, quiet neighborhoods into dirty slums. this is supposed to be why we have a planning commission.
There are lots of legitimate restaurants that would work here and be supported. Buffalo Wild Wings Grill & Bar is not a quiet restaurant. It’s a place to go drink and party. I’m all for late night fun, but not where people are trying to get a night’s rest.
I feel bad for the owner. He’s been sold a bag of goods on locating his business in this development. It’s not a easy place to get in and out of. He seems an honest guy. Glad it’s not my nickle.
To Art Lomeli,
I respect your opinions Dr. Lomeli. However, concerning Logan, there few residents of Santa Ana that have been more supportive of Logan Barrio than me.
Ask Sean Mill.
And I will be glad to give you the names I have posted comments under in support of Logan. I have not posted those comments under my own name for fear of reprisal by Ware Disposal and others.
I have supported Logan concerning the Renaissance Plan – Ask Joe Andrade and Sam Romero.
I will be certain to post all future such comments under my own name in the future.
Dr. Lomeli,
Mike Tardiff has been very vocal in his support for the folks in Logan in regards to the issue of Ware Disposal. I just wish other folks would be as supportive as he has been.
Mike,
I voiced my decision regarding BWW the other night and I stand by that decision. I am quite comfortable in the decision I made and I am quite confident that BWW will be a benefit to our community.
We need to attract quality businesses such as this into our community. It will give residents a nice place to go and it will contribute to our tax base.
I have been in the Indianapolis BWW and it was a nice place. It is not too much different than the National Sports Grill on Main/MacArthur where I worked as a bouncer years ago. On Friday and Saturday nights many of the high school teams and booster would come to that establishment and hang out after the games. It had a real community feel to it. We need something like that in Santa Ana.
Folks trying to compare it to a “strip bar” are way off base.
Sean – No one, on this blog or anywhere that I am aware of, has compared BWW to a strip bar – a sports bar in this location is bad enough.
Mike,
Unfortunately some folks have done this in letters that were sent to myself, my fellow commissioners and the city council.
I am not going to continue to debate this. I feel that this restaurant with a bar will be positive for our community. I voted in the affirmative because that is what I believe.
Sometimes you have to cast a vote that may not be popular amongst the folks that are in attendance, but a vote that you feel is in the best interests of the community as a whole. That is what I and my fellow commissioners did on Monday night.
Despite some grandstanding by some folks playing to the crowd, and no I am not talking about the residents, the vote was 7-0. At the end of the debate all 7 members of the PC voted in favor of the project.
Sean – I understand that, as a member of the SA Planning Commission, it is probably not appropriate for you to comment publicly on pending matters as this.
However, I did ask some specific questions of you which you have not responded to.
You can be assured that this issue will be discussed by the neighborhood during a City Council meeting (or meetings).
The Planning Commission decision must be affirmed by the Council.
‘preciate the civil debate
Mike Tardif
Sean and Mike,
The negative comments about BWW seem to be associated with the alcohol emphasis of the business.
It is selective support based on personal moral views presented in another manner in order to gather widespread support from other hidden agendas.
I know Mike’s support of Logan. My point is that if you (Mike) support the presence of some industrial businesses(your business) with their associated negative impacts in the Logan neighborhod and not others based on RESPONSIBLE management of the businesses, then you should support a RESPONSIBLE restaurant sports bar in your community. Just like Logan supports you – a responsible industrial business with the negatives and positives associated with your business.
Art Lomeli,
I do not know what “hidden agenda” about me which you are aluding to. Please let me know what you believe my agenda might be.
My business is not located in or adjacent to Logan.
I understand that some residents of Logan like having an “industrial/residential” mixed use area. I have not expressed an opinion either way concerning that issue. Except for Ware Disposal, I prefer to leave it up to Logan residents and businesses to decide what they want for their neighborhood.
Again – ask Joe Andrade, Sam Romero or Jackie Deter or Sammy Montoya – or many of the resposible industrial businesses in Logan.
I do not catch the drift of your comments on responsibility. Are you saying that Ware Disposal is a responsible industrial operation in Logan? Or, are you saying that I should butt-out of Logan’s issue with Ware Disposal?
Mike,
I am secure in the position that I took on Monday night. I weighed all the options and I took all the info given to me into account and made the decision that I felt was best for all the residents of Santa Ana.
I don’t want to deal in hypotheticals so I am not even going to address issues such as those.
I do not feel that BWW will have a negative impact on the school, it’s students or the nearby residential area. I do not believe that BWW will put the children of the neighborhood in harms way.
I stand by my decision I made Monday and time will tell if it was the right one or not. I happen to believe that time will show that it was a wise one on the part of myself and my 6 colleagues.
As far as the civil debate goes, that is how it should be. I know that you, me, my fellow commissioners and all the residents care about our community even though we may sometimes disagree. The fact that we were all there on Monday night demonstrates this.
Sean,
You are right. Decisions are never easy in these matters and I’m sure the commission did what they felt was best.
If you could remove or modify the traffic island on 17th Street, it might kill the traffic concern. Maybe the developer could chip in to help do it.
I too have been to a Buffalo Wild Wings in St Paul, Minn. It was loud and late night. Not a bad thing as long as folks aren’t trying to sleep nearby. If you go to their website they are playing to the late night crowd.
The negative impact on the neighborhood stands. The commission could have done a better job of mitigating residents’ concerns by amending the CUP to limit service to 11pm or something like that. This would have shown goodwill and a desire to assist with legitimate concerns. As it was the commission came off as snearingly unconcerned with Santa Ana residents while only too anxious to please big developers and investors.
You are right that we do want good businesses in the community. We badly need them. Including a good sports bar. Sometimes we get in a hurry to get them and make bad location decisions. Especially when big developers are involved.
I hope you are right on this one because if you are not, then a very nice, quiet Santa Ana neighborhood is going to be destroyed.
BTW: The “strip club” reference was mine. I said that sports bars are “a step above a strip club.” Only intended to point out that they are loud and late night. I’m sure you didn’t mean to misquote me.
Sean,
There is nothing hypothetical about my question to you concerning the location of BWW and the elementary school serving special needs kids in the same shopping center – it is a fact.
There is nothing hypothetical about my question concerning the security gates and parking requirements.
There is nothing hypothetical about my question concerning the extended height fence on the north and west.
You have not responded.
The motion passed by the Planning Commission was very vague. We will be interested to see the written decision and how it will be twisted to serve the desire of the developer and BWW sports bar.
Brad,
I appreciate your concerns as do my fellow commissioners. I have no doubt that they were genuine and heartfelt. I made a decision, which I stand by, and I will have to live with that decision.
It is my belief that BWW will become an asset to the community. My colleagues and I want more than anything for your community to continue to be all that it currently is and for businesses like BWW to succeed in Santa Ana.
Though you may not have agreed with my vote on Monday believe me when I say I have the utmost respect for all of those that came down and shared their concerns and demonstrated a love for their community.
Mike,
A perception is created when an argument that is inconsistant is made.
Your business is within a residential community.I believed it was adjacent to Ware’s business.
I stated that you support responsible businesses within or adjacent to residential areas. So, to be cosistant, I don’t understand why you would not support a responsible business adjacent to your residential area.
You fought very hard against the RSP because it potentialy was going to adversely impact industrial businesses like yours. Many of us supported your efforts including many Logan residents.
So, you do have an oppinion on residential industrial mix use adjacent to Logan.
I do not question your support of Logan. I have trouble with the inconsistancy of your support of a responsible business like yours adjacent to a residential area and not support a responsible business adjacent to where you live, possibly only based on that it is a sports BAR (purely an alcohol issue).
Sean,
Here is another non-hypothetical fact based question for you to not respond to.
SA Planner Matt Foulkes, a city employee, began his presentation of the Planning Department’s recommendation to you and the other Planning Commission members by the following statement.
“I am here to make this presentation on behalf of Buffalo Wild Wings.”
I think that a City employee should present their recommendation and supporting reasoning based on a non-biased review of the conditions – on behalf of the City of Santa Ana, including the residents.
What do you think of this opening statement by a City employee Sean?
Now we know who the SA Planning Department really works for – the developers.
That statement should interest all supporters of Measure D.
Art,
Simply, my business is completely surrounded by industrial zoned property.
I have no problem with responsible alcohol consumption. I have one or two drinks most days – some days none. However, I think that today is a three drink day for me.
Would you like to toss back a couple with me this afternoon and discuss this issue? We could go to The Office sports bar on Tustin Ave. in SA. They are adjacent to residential property and close at 11:00 pm on weekdays and 12:00 midnight on Friday and Saturday nights.
Dr.Lomeli,
Mikes business is nowhere near a residential area.
Mike,
I believe that Matt simply misspoke. I am quite sure that he meant “in regards to”. He is a nice young man and very professional. I think that you are reading far too much into this.
Clearly Matt was their on behalf of the city and not BWW. I think you know this too but have chose to grab onto this in an attempt to embarrass him and the city.
People sometimes misspeak. I know I have and I am sure you have as well.
Oh, I agree Sean – Matt misspoke. But I think that is what one would call a “Freudian slip.”
He said what was really in his heart – that the SA Planning Dept. really works for the developers.
Sad, Sean, very sad.
What do think of this Art Pedroza?
Sean,
Art Lomeli has not taken me up on my invitation to join me for brewskies at The Office this afternoon.
Are you available? I’ll buy – unless of course that might be a conflict of interest for you. I am not sure what the SA rules are in that regard. Dutch treat would be OK.
I’ll take a free dinner. I’m not sure I disagree with you often enough to deserve it though!
I just can’t believe a story about zoning is getting this much attention. The business in question must have some pretty great wings… or some pretty bad patrons.
The biggest issue about Ware is that they’re a garbage company. In that case, there is a legitimate NIMBY attitude. Now we’re talking about sheet metal and chicken wings. Rotten apples and fresh oranges.
SMS
Princess,
The the first drink is on me. My wife will join us at The Office; she can’t believe that I agree on issues so much with you.
Thanks honey. I’ll be in touch. I can’t do it tonight. I have to spend time with the kids, but we’ll do something soon.
And just remind her that not every member of the GLBT community is a socialist or an anarchist. lol
SMS
Sarah,
All-righty then. But a little anarchy can go a long way – especially with the SA City Council.
Mike,
I just saw your invite. Another day would be great. Can we meet for coffee (8am) or lunch (1pm) any day you have open?
I would very much enjoy a conversation with you. There is so much to talk about.
Art Lomeli D.D.S.,Inc.
415 N. Sycamore # 33
Santa Ana Ca. 92701
(714) 973-8797
Mike,
I just got home and saw the invite. I’d be more than happy to sit down and discuss the issues with you.
And yes it would have to be Dutch. I am not allowed to accept meals or drinks, nor would I. I don’t want people accusing me of selling my votes.
Email me at seanhmill@vivenet.com anytime you want to discuss local issues.
#16 Dr. Lomeli,
I have been involved in the RSP since the first meeting in April 2006. As you know I have given freely of my time to educate all citizens that wish to understand the plan. As a property owner in the Heavy Industrial Zone,I have been supportive of both the Lacy & Logan neighborhoods. Our property is part of the original Spurgeon Land Grant and has never been residential. We are several blocks east of the residential neighborhood in Lacy.We support our neighbors and take the time to voice our thoughts to the City. I have held several presentations on Sunday mornings in Logan. Sammy M. has graciuosly allowed us to meet at La Chiquita and provided table,chairs and refreshment. As you know involvement in the RSP has meant many, many long nights at every type of City meeting that exists. After a 10 hour day at work,it takes energy amd conviction to attend these meetings. When you throw in a couple of Sundays… well it can be a bit much. I stay involved and glady share my knowledge and support to all those effected by the plan.I attend the Logan neighborhood meetings and assist Mr. Andrade & Mr. Romero in any way I can. Mr & Mrs Tardiff also attend these meetings.
Mr. Tardiff and his family have been right in there communicating and supporting Logan & Lacy. As Mike stated, their family business is not near a residential area and never has been. Yet,they support all that are affected by the plan.
And on those Sunday mornings that are tough to do..The Tardiff family is the only other Industrial business that takes time to show support for Logan. Your right to agree to disagree about his views on the wings project is your right.
But,please do not minimize his major support of Logan,by saying he does not care about what is not in his backyard.
When I take the time to present on Sunday mornings,it is nice to see that his family cares enough about Logan and it’s residents.
Jaquita A. Deter
Wow! 41 comments. Unbelievable. All I can say is that I have learned a lot reading all of this. And we have a lot of very bright folks commenting here.
I am glad to read that Mike Tardiff will be meeting with Dr. Lomeli, Sean Mill and Sarah Spinosa. With that bunch he won’t get a word in edgewise! In all seriousness, all of you have much to offer and we can all learn more by breaking bread with each other as opposed to resorting to commenting on blogs.
BTW, I spoke to my friend and co-blogger Terry Crowley tonight. He lives in Kansas City and he says he has been to more than one of these Buffalo Hot Wing restaurants. He is perplexed by all the drama. According to Terry, these are great restaurants to hang out in.
Jaquita,
I have not minimized Mike’s efforts relative to his effort with the RSP. I and the Hispanic neighborhoods and groups that have been at the RSP meetings along side you and Mike greatly appreciate both of you giving your time and energy on this issue. We were supportive of the industrial businesses to not be eventually excluded from within the RSP.
My comment #16 was not directed to MIke. It was generic. He responded and the conversation proceeded with Mike.
The fight associated with the RSP as you know, is about inclussion and responsible community interaction (residential- business).
My discussion with Mike has been simply at this level.
The city joining the rest of Orange County in the 21st century depends on fostering goodwill to responsible investors based on what different communities where the investent planned will support.
To everyone:
I’m going to be starting an Orange Juice group to rival Drinking Liberally and make all this official. This is the only blog in the county where people of such diverse backgrounds and political inclinations seem to be able to find common ground. It’s about time we took advantage of that.
Oh, and I’ll be sharing The Centrist OC’s MySpace page so we can all keep in touch without having to use the comments to make dinner plans! If you don’t have an account, please sign up and join us.
SMS
Ok. I was feeling creative, so it’s already done. You can join our dinner group ‘Screwdrivers!’ by adding us to your MySpace friend list. We will send upcoming event notices to you there.
You can see our new page by clicking the link at the comment above or by using the link in the top of the right sidebar.
Hope to see you all soon!
SMS
Can’t wait for Buffalo Wild Wings to open.
Hope it could at least stay open till 12am
It should have dawned on everyone by now that any newly constructed project that needs this much mitigation is OBVIOUSLY IN THE WRONG LOCATION!
A sports bar belongs in an urban setting not in, and literally IN, a bedroom, suburban environment. BASIC LAND USE PRINCIPAL.
The site is not in conformance with the original approval and was purposely processed without the resubmittal to City Council.
Do we need a Bar that badly that staff has to back door the process? And why is the Commission letting them do that?
The Planning Commission is BEING HANDLED by the Planning Dept. They are only given half the story, so it’s not surprising that their decisions are so far off center. I bet that not one of them have read the Ammendment Application that went with the site AA-97-01: Resolution # NS-2322.
If they had, they would really be questioning staff, ie; the consistency rule; yes to a degree they were given a half correct response but what was inadvertently with held from them is that you cannot invoke a consistency rule when the changes create NEW IMPACTS, like noise, shade and safety.
An 11 year old Environmental review needs to be updated don’t you think? And the NEW CHANGES need review as well!! BEFORE YOU MOVE FORWARD!
Since the site is not conforming to the original approved plan, it cannot legally move forward by city ordinance; Sec41-602 read your own codes.
I can’t beleive that are Planning Commission missed these legal points, and the fact that the notifications were also questionable at best.
I am afraid that some of our Commissioners are small players in a big world and just not up to the task of decision making on complex issues.
Perhaps we will get through to the City Council.
By the way, those people who think that this neighborhood is against restaraunts are totally in left field. I, like all of yopu think that they are great. However, I don’t support a loud noisy sports bar in that mix. It’s a mistake from many levels.
Tom,
If the zoning is wrong and illegal. Then everything discussed here is irrelevant.
What do you think the reason is for the city Manager to misinform the planning commission, the redevelopment department, the planning department, the city council, the public and the business in question?
Tom – please send your email address to me.
mike@tardifsheetmetal.com
For anyone interested, here is the website for the audio recording of the Planning commission meeting BWW public comments. We have these thanks to George Collins
http://www.blog.santaanainsight.com