Word just in from a credible source that Ware Disposal is planning to leave the Logan barrio in Santa Ana within the next two months. So the obvious question is, why did Santa Ana City Manager Dave Ream have dozens of signs installed in the Logan area banning 3 ton trucks?
I am told that the neighbors in this area wanted the truck ban in order to put a crimp on Ware Disposal – however if it is true that Ware is leaving then this ban only hurts the other businesses in that area – most of which are law-abiding.
I heard about Ware moving several months ago, but this time my source is very credible – and another neighborhood will be stuck with the stinky Ware Disposal. I am not sure yet where they will be moving to.
The much-maligned signs have now been covered up with plastic bags. Word from City Hall is that Ream is blaming Public Works for screwing up. As I stated in my earlier post, Ream really needs to retire, pronto.
And why aren’t the neighbors in Logan going after the Santa Ana City Council? So far neither Mayor Miguel Pulido nor the Council have done anything about Ware’s operations in Logan – which have been conducted without an EIR and a CUP, as I understand it. I am working on getting copies of the Council members campaign finance reports. Follow the money and you will find Ware Disposal…
I have already promised not to accept money from any developers with business in our city. Allow me to add Ware Disposal to the list of folks I won’t be accepting money from. I wonder how much money Councilman Carlos Bustamante has accepted from Ware?
‘Stop with the jibber-jabber!’ Ream reminds me of that senile judge in ‘Boston Legal.’
At least Ware’s leaving, hopefully to an appropriate zone this time, or better still, to Orange!
SMS
Art,
That’s actually pretty funny, “Allow me to add Ware Disposal to the list of folks I won’t be accepting money from.” Isn’t that sort of like Groucho Marx’s famous line, “I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member?”
I will be waiting to see the campaign finance reports you are obtaining.
Stephanie,
What exactly is your problem with me?
One of the reasons I am running is that the incumbent, Bustamante, has accepted thousands of dollars from special interests – and as such he does not stand up for the residents of our city.
Bustamante was even MIA on the Quiet Zone issue – even after the OCTA offered to pay for 80% of the cost of silencing the trains that roar through Ward 3.
What you will see on my campaign finance reports is that I am getting a lot of support from residents and activists in Santa Ana, from the left, right and center. What you won’t see is awful companies like Ware Disposal and creepy developers like Robert Bisno. If you want to see those names go pull Bustamante’s past finance reports.
Via con el diablo Ware.
If Ware and the other business operating around Logan go – you can kiss that neighborhood goodbye. Those businesses are the anchors that keep high priced residental “artist lofts” off the city planners table.
I heard from a source on the 8th floor that the City has obtained a facility for Ware to locate their operations to. It’s an indoor facility not far from their current location that will allow Ware to move their crap indoors. I don’t have the details on the deal just yet, but I think the City brokered the deal…not sure if they are paying for the building or not and then renting it to Ware…
Art,
You state, “And why aren’t the neighbors in Logan going after the Santa Ana City Council? So far neither Mayor Miguel Pulido nor the Council have done anything about Ware’s operations in Logan.”
Do you really think Ware did this out of the goodness of their cold hearts? No, of course the City Council and the mayor brokered this deal and made it happen. If this actually happens, give credit where credit where credit is due.
This is precisely why I think you would be a terrible Councilman. You are always critical, always angry, never constructive. It’s real easy to whine and complain about things. It’s tough to make things better. If the current Mayor and Council get Ware out of Logan it will be a great success for them and a wonderful thing for the folks that call Logan home.
You are good at pointing out some issues in this city…I’ll give you that…but the last thing we need on our city council is an anti-everything, super negative, “i think everyone else is stupid and crooked” type of councilman.
Your cynicism is tiring…and most of all…fruitless…as we constantly see every candidate/measure fail that you support.
wtu,
Do you think that the City brokered this deal out of the goodness of their cold hearts?
Or was it due to the pressure applied by the neighborhood and those who support Logan, including Art Pedroza and the OJ Blog team?
I agree that getting Ware out of Logan would be a major coup for the city leaders and a great thing for the folks in Logan. I would happily applaud Ream, Pulido or whomever managed to do this.
However simply relocating Ware to somewhere else in the city where she can be a bad neighbor to somebody else is not the answer. The city must see to it that Ware obey’s the law and is punished when they fail to do so.
The residential,commercial and industrial neighborhood south of 4th St. and west of Grand Ave. may not appreciate their new smelly industrial neighbor.
L Sisk,
There is no reason for legitimate industrial businesses to move out of Logan; Logan is zoned for both industrial and residential (mixed use).
And with Ware moving the City has no justifiable reason to keep the 3 ton limit signs up. The signs are already bagged which indicates that they should be coming down soon.
But who knows what the City has planned within the soon to be redefined Renaissance Plan?
parajito,
I don’t know that any deal has been brokered.
However, lets assume a deal has been brokered. I think that the deal will come as a result of pressure put upon the city by folks like Joe Andrade and Sam Romero. Their constant pressure and hard work will be the main reason this gets done.
I do believe that folks like Thomas Gordon and myself and to a lesser extent Art Pedroza have played a small role in this. It was my continual blogging about the issue that helped raise widespread awareness of the issue, but it was the work of folks in the Logan Neighborhood that deserve the kudos.
The fact that the city may finally choose to listen to Joe, Sam and the others is all that matters. Whether they do it out of the goodness of their hearts or not is in my mind irrelevant.
I know that Councilman Tinajero has been working to see that something is done to improve conditions in Logan. Despite the fact that it is not his ward he has taken a personal interest in the issue and has met with the neighbors on several occasions.
Sean,
You, Joe and Sam are all to be commended for your continued activism and opposition to Ware.
All I have done is try to shed light on Ware as you once did so well here at the Orange Juice. Your stories really got the ball rolling!
I do hope that it is true that Ware is leaving Logan. Hopefully they will not cause further trouble for anyone else in our city, but that is too much to hope for…
Sean,
Mose recalls that you had to be dragged into supporting Logan Barrio against Ware Disposal.
Sincerely,
Mose
Mike,
ITA. Logan is zoned for mixed use and there is absolutely no reason why Ware should move.
I’m just wondering how the residents forsee fighting the Renaissance Plan once the money to back any legal opposition against the city has left the neighborhood.
The city manager’s office informed this morning
the signs on Logan & Custer St. will be removed
today. Also, the remaining 3ton & over signs in the Logan neighborhood will not be inforced by the
Santa Ana Police Dept. until a solution has been
reached.
L Sisk,
Ware is ILLEGALLY using residential zoned property for smelly, dirty and dangerous industrial purposes. That is reason enough for Ware to get the HELL out of Logan Barrio.
Do you really think that Logan residents and industrial businesses would want Ware’s dirty money on their side?
Logan will have plenty of support from all of Santa Ana, including industrial within and near Logan.
So KMA.
Why do you ask that, Art? As a resident of Ward 3 I am one of your potential constituents and having that vested interest in who turns out to be my councilperson, I should be challenging you as to what you will do (or say you will do). Who knows? Maybe by November I will be sufficiently impressed to give you my vote.
I am taken aback by your suggestion, “If you want to see those names go pull Bustamante’s past finance reports.” Why? You said above, “I am working on getting copies of the Council members campaign finance reports.” I will wait to see if (a) you get them and (b) you post them here.
Ahh the difficulties of representative democracy. Once you get into office you have to represent everyone, even Stephanie. I wonder if thats a pseudonym? She sounds a lot like my ex-wives.
Anonyms,
Possibly . . . or I represented her in the divorce.
And no, it’s not a pseudonym. Click on the link by my name to visit my blog and you can see who I am.
Not like using “anonymous” and all variants thereof.
Mike,
Don’t kid yourself. The residents have wanted ALL the industrial businesses out of Logan for decades. If they can get Ware out, they’ll go after the others next.
And once the businesses go, the residents won’t be able to mount a defense to save their own homes from redevelopment. Who is going to come up with the finances to back a prolonged legal fight against the city if that happens? A handful of homeowners in a low income area? Please. The industrial business owners have already saved that neighborhood once to the idiotic plans of the city council.
As far as I can tell, the homeowners have a clear choice. Keep the status quo in the neighborhood or eventually lose their homes to the Renaissance Plan.
L Sisk,
Does Ware staying in Logan with their illegal operations fit into your idea of the status quo?
While I do not presume to speak for the residents or businesses of Logan, it is my opinion that Logan should retain it’s current zoning format – individually zoned parcels, a mixed use area.
However, the City should do everything possible to enhance the residential nature of Logan. I think that the entire neighborhood, including legitimate industrial businesses, would benefit from that.
Mike,
I’m unaware of any illegality of Ware Disposal keeping trucks and equipment in the Logan neighborhood. They aren’t sorting trash on Logan. Perhaps you could enlighten me?
If, as you claim, “the city should do everything possible to enhance the residential nature of Logan” please explain how ANY industrial business fits in that plan.
Anaheim did “everything possible” to enhance the neighborhoods around Anaheim Stadium. The former businesses and (subsequently, of course) residents are long gone.
But the empty condos over the Starbucks look nice.
“Mose recalls that you had to be dragged into supporting Logan Barrio against Ware Disposal.”
Mose,
Nothing could be further from the truth. Do a little research and you will clearly see that I have long stood with the residents of Logan. Sam Romero can attest to that fact.
L Sisk,
You can check out Ware’s illegal use of property by going to the City of Santa Ana website “Property Search Feature” – type in 1022 N. Lincoln Ave. (and 1026)- those addresses are zoned residential.
Ware is using those residential zoned propereties to store dumpsters. They tore down homes or “crummy little shacks” as Ware’s attorney Pat Munoz called them for this illegal industrial purpose.
You have been made aware and enlightened.
Sean,
In researching past OJ articles which would substatiate my claim, I find that the OJ search function apparently does not hold many past articles.
However, I do recall that you were on the side of waiting – waiting – waiting – for the City attorney who seemed to be doing little while Logan was suffering under the stink of Ware.
And while this was occuring you did not critcize Ware’s illegal actions at all.
Ware is storing equipment, i.e. bins and trucks in a residentally zoned lot. It may be illegally zoned on paper but how is storing trucks and empty bins “smelly, dirty and (for) dangerous industrial purposes?” Do you get this hysterical over ALL commerical sized trash bins…or just the empty ones?
Other trucks run up and down those streers during business hours. How is a Ware truck specifically different? Ware isn’t dumping trash on Logan as your posts imply. The trucks come and leave. As far as I can tell, Ware being in the neighborhood is as noisy as any other industrial truck driving on the street and as “smelly, dirty and dangerous” as a bunch of EMPTY trash bins. Big Whoop.
You claim you want a mixed use neighborhood but with you finger pointing arguments and dramatics, your argument doesn’t make a whit of sense – unless yours is the argument that ALL noise making equipment and commerical equipment be banned from the residental areas in Santa Ana.
And if that’s what you want, just say so.
Mose,
I have been perhaps the most outspoken critic of Ware in the blogosphere. You have this completely incorrect.
Your re-writing of history is simply not going to work.
Sean,
whatever
L Sisk says – “Ware is storing equipment, i.e. bins and trucks in a residentally zoned lot. It may be illegally zoned on paper …”
That is as far as you need to go L Sisk, the remainder of your comment is BS.
Ware has got to go.
Mike,
That’s as far as I need to go because you don’t wish to address my points.
You said it yourself: the Logan area is mixed zoned for both industrial and residential. So unless you can tell me exactly how Ware Disposal would be less “smelly, dirty and dangerous” operating two lots over from where they are presently located, I don’t see how you have a point.
You want the businesses out of Logan.
Got it.
The only problem is once that happens, there goes the neighborhood (to the Renaissance Plan). The city doesn’t give a flying flip what happens on Logan as long as they get an opportunity to throw out the present folks – residents and businesses alike and slap up some lofts. Divide the and conqour. It’s as simple as that.
I’m siding with Mike on this one. I know, big surprise, but L Sisk, Mike does not want to see either a Logan stripped of businesses or the RP (or ‘RP2’ for that matter). You really shouldn’t put words in his mouth.
SMS
L Sisk
You are new to the blog(I think). Mike does not want the businesses out of Logan(just Ware).
Do your research before you start accussing people of things like that.
L Sisk,
Yeah – you must be right. That is the reason I took the pictures of the 3 ton limit signs and brought this to the attention of Art Pedroza. Because I don’t want any industrial in Logan.
Yeah, ….. right – but why would I do that – if I didn’t want industrial in Logan, I should have been happy to see the 3 ton truck signs go up and stay up and the City enforce those signs with vigor against all industrial businesses.
But wait, …. why would I act in direct contradiction of my obsession in ridding Logan of all industrial?
I am so confused – and I did it to myself. humm, .. let me think a minute and riddle this out to myself.
Oh, I got it ! I want Sean Mill to be the emperor of Santa Ana and my misguided obsession with Ware somehow, …. rats ! lost track of my thoughts again.
Help me L Sisk – help me !! – tell me what I am thinking, so I will know what I am thinking.
Sarah and Daneille,
Maybe you can answer me since Mike won’t. Where do the existing businesses fit into the phrase, “The city should do everything possible to enhance the residental nature of Logan.” I’m just not seeing it.
A Starbucks, Jamba Juice and Baby Gap would enhance the residental nature of the neighborhood. They could get those businesses right under the lofts that’ll be put up once the businesses and current residents are cleared out.
And what possible difference does it make in regard to smell, dirt and danger if Ware Disposal is keeping empty bins in this lot or that in a mixed use area?
Ware is just being used as a flamebaiting non-issue to get all the businesses out.
Mike,
Do you want some syrup for that waffle? 🙂
Frankly, I don’t what on earth you’re thinking since you’re talking out of both sides of your mouth.
On one hand, you claim to be for *some* industrial businesses and on the other, you want to see the city do “everything possible to enhance the residential nature of Logan.” Seems to me the obvious answer in enhancing the residential nature of Logan is to remove the industry there.
Or are you proposing the building of artist lofts over Ware Disposal?
L Sisk,
Seriously, if Ware discontinued their illegal operations on residential property they may comply with with the zone ordinance, but that type of industrial business is a misfit for even the mixed use (R/I) zoning of Logan.
Ware has shown their enormous disrespect for Logan Barrio. They are not a good neighbor to the neighborhood. The other industrial businesses in Logan are responsible long standing members of the Logan community.
If, as you seem to be indicating, that the 3 ton limit signs are the “shot across the bow” to all industrial businesses in Logan – then the City will have a real knock down drag out fight on it’s hands.
“I want Sean Mill to be the emperor of Santa Ana”
Thanks for the support Mike.
I’ll be announcing my candidacy for emperor in the coming days. I plan on having my victory party at Buffalo Wild Wings.
L Sisk
The only thing I am answering is this because it is too funny
“A Starbucks, Jamba Juice and Baby Gap would enhance the residental nature of the neighborhood. They could get those businesses right under the lofts that’ll be put up once the businesses and current residents are cleared out.”
You do realize when those lofts are built and people buy them, they OWN THE WHOLE THING not just the living space.
So unless whoever owned said loft owned a gap, jamba juice or starbucks, those really would not work there.
L Sisk-
You are the type of blogger I fear the most. The blogger that spews nonsensical diarrhea from their finger tips.
You know not one damn thing about which you speak or who you are speaking to. Do some research maybe that might easy your mind.Please do something because your diarrhea stinks really.
L Sisk,
What I mean by “enhanced residential nature” would be an overlay scenario, such as proposed for all other industrial properties within the Renaissance Plan.
The existing zone designation for each parcel or group of parcels would remain. And as proposed for my industrial property in the RSP – to overlay that with a type of residential zoning that would be acceptable to the Logan community.
That is just my opinion, I do not live, work or own property in Logan Barrio. I prefer to leave the destiny of Logan to that community.
‘Ware is just being used as a flamebaiting non-issue to get all the businesses out.‘
Really? Or are they just bad neighbors who don’t belong in Logan to begin with?
SMS
Mike,
I understand that you don’t like Ware Disposal but what is a misfit about storing empty trash bins on a lot zoned for industry? Would you please explain this idea beyond your personal dislike of the company in general?
The residents have wanted all industrial businesses out of Logan for decades. And your quote about the city doing everything to enhance the residential nature sounds like it comes directly from that playbook.
My argument is that it is a very short-sighted desire. Who is going to mount a legal defense against the city planners to save Logan from the Reinassance Plan if the businesses with a current vested interest are gone?
Danielle,
You must have missed the post where I compared The Renaissance Plan to what has/is taking place in Anaheim.
Still awaiting the answers to the questions you don’t mistake for humor.
Quixotic,
You should be afraid if what you posted is your idea of an intelligent response.
And who are you? Miss Cleo? How would you know what I know about anything? You don’t. And I’m not particually impressed with your foolish posturing. I enjoy freedom of speech just like everyone else so no, I’m concerned one whit about “who I’m speaking to.” Who cares?
Btw, Don Quixote spent a lot of time chasing impossible dreams that never came to fruition.
Perfect!
Sarah,
(All apologies – I missed your response the first time)
How is parking empty trash bins in a mixed zoned area *here* rather than *there* specifically bad? Sounds to me like people don’t like Ware for personal, not business reasons.
And I’ve yet to hear a logical argument to counter my assertion.
‘Sounds to me like people don’t like Ware for personal, not business reasons.‘
I don’t live there, but from what I understand they’re just generally not good neighbors. The bins are only one issue. I hear from residents that they operate at all hours for instance. A bad neighbor is a bad neighbor whether it be for personal or business reasons.
Since they’re already moving though, and the vehicle weight limits have been removed, technically this entire conversation is moot. I just hope they move to a neighborhood more suitable to their business.
SMS
Sarah,
I agree that a bad neighbor is a bad neighbor but if everything claimed here is to be believe out of hand, the problems with Ware aren’t solved by a move – they’re simply some other SA neighborhood’s problem.
And while the Logan neighborhood may get a short-lived victory in Ware getting moved they also lose a business with a vested interest in fighting the city against the RP. Seems to me a wiser decision would be to simply demand the city enforce rules and regulations.
I’d hate to see the Logan win a battle but lose the war.
L Sisk says: “And while the Logan neighborhood may get a short-lived victory … they also lose a business with a vested interest in fighting the city against the RP.”
Mike Tardif says: After a big laugh, .. I am certain that Logan residents will cry crocodile tears as Ware Disposal leaves Logan.
The residents have been trying for years to get the City to enforce codes and regulations against Ware to no avail. Ware pays off the City Clowncil in order to keep the heat off of themselves.
Logan Barrio can handle the RSP just fine without help from Ware Disposal.
Mike,
I’d put off laughing until Ware actually moves and we see what’s up the city council sleeve with regard to Logan and the RP next.
And I sure wouldn’t make legally actionable claims on public blogs before someone is actually convicted of something.