This blog post will be brief. Simply listen to the following four minute audio of presidential candidate Barack Obama as he promotes “redistribution of wealth.”
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Larry, which version of the GOP claptrap did you want us to listen to? The one I listened to from your link was heavily edited so that the context could not be known. If he gave an explanation that was contrary to your goal we wouldn’t know because we didnt have an unedited version. I heard a constitutional schollar talking about how the courts were not equipped to administer policy. I thought that was what you were complaining about with activist judges – Obama just sorta agreed with you and you want to slam him for it? What do you think that tax breaks for the rich and powerful, and bailouts for corporations shouldn’t be undertaken by the legislatures? Or do you think that they aren’t redistributing the wealth – or was that all by accident?
Oh wow. Obama thinks that redistribution of wealth can’t take place through the courts but can through the legislature. So what? He’s running to become the executive.
Oh, and a smoking gun is nowhere to be found in this piece. He’s discussing theory here, not action. If he does attempt to act at some point, he’ll need the approval of 535 other people to make it so.
Settle down Beavis!
SMS
So, Larry, once again you try to spread the Republican party line although you should know better. Just like you tried with the fake “eminent domain” proposition…
Of course, the 700B bank bailout is not about “spreading the wealth”, no Siree…
Of course, all this just shows the desperation of the GOP. They are apparently going down big time.
If I’ve learned anything from your posts, the more ridiculous they become, the more the Reps are in deep sh*t.
I don’t think you understand what he’s talking about, Larry, or you’re listening through red-filtered hearing aids. What many Americans are concerned about is the continual accumulation of the wealth of this country into a very few hands (you, me, Art and Joe the Plumber aren’t among these elites), and continual growth of an an impoverished class. This trend presents a very real danger to our democracy. This is what Obama is talking about, not taxing you and me more to give it to the shiffless and lazy. But the GOP, in general, has become addicted to funding from this monied aristocracy and is what they’d have you believe, and is why I personnally was a supporter of McCain back it 1999-2000 (to the tune of about $300), when he was trying to fight this along with Sen. Feingold.
Golly, he wants to do what Christ would – nail him to a cross!
Larry Morrissey.
That’s over the top. I am disappointed that it was permitted.
Joe.
Fake eminent domain proposition? What does eminent domain have to do with Obama or this post?
PS: Mr. “CSI.” Did you find my fingerprints on the audio? Go ahead shoot the messenger who simply posted Obama’s own words.
SAHS Teacher. The middle class in America has shrunk due in part to the global market we now live in. When I traveled through cities like Pittsburg and Cleveland I was amazed at the clean cities where once they had smoke coming out of their steel mills. Those days are only found in history books. The same applies to many of the appliance manufacturers who have all left the traditional 48 states for lower cost labor, favorable tax rates and relaxed regulations in some foreign nation. When’s the last time you purchased a TV, radio, VCR or microwave oven madei n the USA?
This being forced to compete in the global marketplace has impacted many of our industries. There was a time when the “big three” owned the auto industry. Those days are gone. Right now GM and Chrysler are seeking a massive federal bailout. My older brother worked for BOP, (Buick, Olds and Pontiac) as an inspector. They were paid very high union wages and had great benefits at a time when we did not have competition from Japan. Those blue collar employees were some of the missing middle class you are referring to.
Sadly many US based companies had three choices to remain in business. Raise prices and risk losing your customers, engage in heavy automation which eliminated jobs but kept manufacturing here, or go off-shore to remain competitive. Rasing prices was not a true option so they tried door number two and later went to option #3, each of which resulted in lost middle class jobs. You can draw the same conclusions for a wide spectrum of industries that resulted in the job changes we now experience.
Back in the early 90’s I served as a Working Group Chairman for the IEEE representing the USA on International Standards. We were told that if we wanted to do business outside the USA we had to provide a fixed percentage of “local (labor) content” in our products. This was my experience in negotiating in Australia as well at the European Community. That is why many firms set up partnerships or built their own manufacturing plants in Ireland as they were part of the EC. i.e. Local European telecommunications competitors were allowed to quote higher prices and still win government contracts to protect their own domestic manufacturers. This is part of the reason that US manufacturers went off shore for part of their manufacturing.
These are but a few illustrations as to the reasons for those corporate decisions.
We need to stimulate domestic manufacturing. You don’t accomplish job creation by raising corporate taxes or doing away with investment tax credits. We do need to create new products that can be made domestically where the middle class can expand.
As it’s approaching midnight and I have an early morning tomorrow I will close this reply. And yes I do agree with Sen McCain that the compensation for any private firm CEO/executive getting a federal bailout should be limited.
Capitalism has clearly failed. With Obama and the Democratic congress working in tandem, we will institute socialism, which is a necessary temporary station prior to moving toward communism. If we can’t be rich, we can at least bring the rich down to our level.
Larry Morrissey you are a sick ****! Comparing Obama to Christ are you ******* kidding me.
Larry Gilbert I’m disappointed as well but Art has disappointed me numerous times in the last two weeks so I’m not surprised. (yes I know Art is not that only moderator but still)
Larry Morrissey
Obama = Christlike????
Did someone drop you on your head??
You are DISGUSTING!!!
Larry Gilbert:
I compared your current ridiculous posts with the posts you wrote when the fake “eminent domain” proposition was on the ballot earlier this year.
In both cases, you tried to scare people. Too bad (for you) that this tactic doesn’t work. It only shows your and, since you always seem to follow the party line, your party’s desperation.
Get over it. Obama is going to win, despite such scare tactics from the Rep side.
Larry:
Other than the first commenter and his false “the audio is edited!” assertion, have you noticed that your critics are neither refuting that Obama wants to use the government to redistribute wealth, nor trying to defend Obama’s redistributionist ideology?
Instead, they launch moronic accusations that you are “spreading the Republican Party line.”
A sure sign that what this clip reveals is a truth about Obama that they’d rather remained hidden.
And perhaps Larry Morrissey could point us to where Jesus called for Caesar to redistribute wealth?
It seems the “redistribution of wealth” Ted Stevens-style or Sarah Palin-style, who apparently can’t even afford to buy her own clothes, is preferred by Larry…
I have yet to see him blast that… But that’s probably not in the “talking points” he gets from his masters at the GOP…
I’ve been trying to ignore this post. I guess Jubal had to come around since he put up this old video first and Gilbert took it from him.
Isn’t this some kinda bizarre faux-outrage from Gilbert, Danielle and YeahOK – to pretend Morrissey’s point that Jesus advocated giving to the poor and relentlessly criticized greed and selfishness and the rich of his day, to pretend that is so BLASPHEMOUS that it warrants Art jumping in and CENSORING Morrissey! Payasos republicanos.
I was going to churn out a goodly harvest of New Testament quotes where Jesus clearly advocates redistribution of wealth… But while I was busy accompanying 2nd period choir class at Garden Grove HS, Jubal – knowing what was surely coming – popped up with pre-emptive comment #14. Suddenly in Jubal’s book, there IS Jesus and Caesar, co-existing.
Then, Jubal, if we have separation of church and state now, can we allow gays to marry? Or is this after all a Christian nation (the kind of Chrisitanity that emphasizes obscure anti-gay passages of Leviticus?)
Really I don’t believe anything these phonies say. They use their distortion of Christianity when it suits their purposes – like resisting women’s autonomy and tolerance of sexual diversity – and then when Jesus asks them to “share the wealth” it’s suddenly up to secular Caesar to do whatever he wants.
Maybe me and Morrissey also cherry-pick Christ. But I don’t think so.
Vern. Hate to tell you but I did not get the audio clip from Red County. I found it in two other locations including the Drudge Report. You simply cannot accept the wealth redistribution concept of your man whose policy on this issue has not changed over the past few years as verifed by the audio. This is one case where Obama did NOT flip/flop.
#15 Joe. I was not pleased learning about the GOP clothing expenditures for Sarah Palin’s campaign appearances. Just to let you know that I am not a rubber stamp to the Republican party.
PS: I voted by absentee ballot yesterday. McCain/Palin was my choice for president/vice president and I am not afraid to tell you!
Joe #3. You are cluless on the topic of eminent domain, a system designed by Democrats to make Republicans rich. For the past 15 years I have been in the trenches fighting to protect private property rights for those unable to fight for themselves. The vast majority of these victims are poor minority property owners. My uncompensated volunteer efforts included working with SD Democratic Senator Christine Kehoe as we tried to establish qualitative and quantitative data for the definition of “blight.” That (eventually watered down)legislation, SB 1206, was signed into law by governor Arnold two years ago.
Sorry to tell you Joe but you are not qualified to critique my efforts in this arena.
And to Vern.
You have been trying to avoid this post becasue it exposes the truth of your man and that must be killing you. I will still keep you on my prayer list.
Gilbert, (I call you that on this thread because there are two Larrys here) when did you become so pinche DEVOUT? I don’t remember you praying so much when you were trying to abolish -excuse me, PHASE OUT – rent control. Now Larry – Larry version 9.0 is it? – is a full-fledged Holy Roller praying away the gay with all his homies.
I feel clammy Republican prayers following me. Please stop, Juice Brother.
I actually haven’t heard the clip yet. I WILL when I get more than a ten-minute break. I suspect it is nothing radical, probably something advocating the grand old American tradition of progressive taxation which it’s now your talking points to call socialism.
Hate to tell you but I did not get the audio clip from Red County. I found it in two other locations including the Drudge Report.
Yeah, that sounds about right.
From the Drudge Report directly to Red-faced County.
From the Drudge Report directly to Larry Gilbert at the OJ.
From the Drudge Report directly to countless other rightwing outlets.
How did you avoid the Drudge craze over Ashley Todd’s mutilation? Oh yeah, that’s when you were having computer trouble.
Larry,
#18: I am glad to learn that you don’t condone using Republican funds to buy clothes for a candidate. As far as your vote is concerned, you are of course free to vote for whoever you want.
#19: The proposition earlier this year, as lots of people have told you, had nothing to do with eminent domain, except the name. It was a deceptive proposition, and the voters thankfully figured that out.
And eminent domain of course has nothing to do with Democrats or Republicans. It would help your cause if you would actually get past the partisan BS.
And FYI, I am registered as independent. I think for myself, and don’t follow party lines, in particular if they are obviously ridiculous.
Vern:
Thank you for providing another example of how liberals think charity is the same thing as government forcibly taking money from one person and giving it to another person.
I’d be fascinated to read the Gospel passage where Christs advocates for redistribution of wealth. Did you unearth the long-lost Gospel of Vern from a cave near the Red Sea?
Or are you projecting your left-wing political beliefs onto passages where, for example, Christ calls on the young rich man to sell his possessions, give the money to the poor and follow Him?
Vern,
I figured this crap came from Drudge. The same Drudge who lost all credibility with the mutilation piece.
As I said, the Republicans are so desperate they try everything. Jubal’s posts just confirm that as well. Too bad for these left-overs from the 20th century that this kind of negative stuff doesn’t work anymore. These guys still need to arrive in the 21st century.
Joe.
Prop 98 text was challenged by the supporters of Prop 99. We prevailed. End of story.
Have you visited Baldwin Park in LA County? Ask some of their leaders about our combined effort to save their hundreds of homes and businesses from Bisno Development. Than you can comment again as to what our AGENDA was in that ballot measure.
Matt –
‘Christ calls on the young rich man to sell his possessions, give the money to the poor and follow Him?‘
Jesus would be appalled by the lack of economic equality we currently suffer, but I have to agree that he’d likely never get to the point of pushing a Robin Hood agenda either, but in Vern’s defense, I just don’t see that happening under Obama. After 8 years of Bush, I think the people have a lot less tolerance for radicalism on both sides of the aisle.
SMS
Joe:
Yes, we Republicans are so desperate that we’ll resort to Oabam’s own statements! How despicable of us to draw the public’s attention to Obama explaining his beliefs!
Oh, the injustice!!
“this kind of negative stuff doesn’t work anymore”
REALLY?
Then why did the lib media/Obama camp defame joe the plumber or attempt to connect Wade West to Barbara West, the TV host who asked Biden “tough” questions, yet claims to be on the side of the average american?
I’ve yet to hear any lefty defend Joe the Plumber or the West Family for the way they were treated……..Oh that’s right……….It’s only wrong if you don’t like the outcome.
Hypocrites.
Larry: you must live in an alternate universe. Prop 98 failed.
Jubal: you can have “beliefs” in your church.
Thomas: I don’t read the “liberal media”. i don’t read crap from the right-wing media, either. I read facts. Drudge doesn’t report facts.
Once you get over your desperation about the impeding defeat, you will find that we will be better off in four years (actually, the current administration has been so bad that it can only get better, anyway.)
I find it rather amusing to see you guys be so up in arms… must be hurting pretty bad…
Did you unearth the long-lost Gospel of Vern from a cave near the Red Sea?
Actually, Jubal, yes I DID unearth the long-lost Gospel of Vern, although it was in my back yard the whole time. – Serendipity!
And what’s remarkable is how it jibes with both the four Synoptic Gospels and the Constitution of the United States. Let me share a few passages:
St Vern ch. IV, v. 9-12: And you will find in the Third Millenium, brothers and sisters, as the love of God for mankind groweth stronger in thine hearts, that the majority of you will choose to help the least of thine brethren to get a leg up on life. And, just as Christ is one with the Father and Spirit, ye shall discover that matters such as these are best attended to by the entire people, through the instrument of their democratically elected government. And so, despite the whining and gnashing of teeth and rending of garments of the complacent and moneyed Pharisees of the Third Millenium, a rising tide shall lift the boats of all the faithful through thine holy instrument the progressive tax. I say unto thee, if widows and laborers such as these can spare a mite for those less fortunate, then even more so must these princes and coddled courtiers like Jubal be content to part with a lump of gold, for the betterment of my beloved flock. And thus spake the prophet and departed.”
Then there followed some stuff I don’t understand about fruitbats and breakfast cereal, but I think you get the idea…
Checking out the clip now…
Interesting, who put the text up over this? At 1:54 the text says “Yes, he just said it’s a tragedy the constitution wasn’t radically reinterpreted to force redistribution of wealth to AFRICAN-AMERICANS.” Over scary bongo music. Did I just miss the part where he said “African-Americans?” I’ll have to hear the first half again.
I hear “previously dispossessed people” near the beginning… Barack didn’t mention any particular race…
Okay, that’s my first observation on this. The “unedited” audio was packaged and annotated by folks who see scary Negros where there are none. Makes me wonder what they may have left out from this interview, as in context, etc. Well, let’s continue…
Jubal: you can have “beliefs” in your church.
Joe, I’ll take that complete non sequitur as an admission of defeat.
The “unedited” audio was packaged and annotated by folks who see scary Negros where there are none. Makes me wonder what they may have left out from this interview, as in context, etc.
Vern, the only one here viewing it through race-colored glasses is you.
…and it all ends with Joe the Plumber! So all he is talking about is his tax plan. A tax plan that any American who watches TV knows by now, and obviously most of us think it is very fair and not radical at all.
So when he was a law professor he referred to it as “redistribution of wealth” and nowadays he says “spread the wealth around” (sounding like Cornelius Vanderbilt, Dolly’s wealthy beau in “Hello Dolly” who thought that wealth should be spread around “like manure, helping young things to grow.”) And this kind of talk sends shivers down your little rightwing spines. And now you suddenly call it “socialist” too – PAYING TAXES, “SOCIALIST!”
Words lose all their meaning with you people. It’s nothing but scare tactics, 24/7. Halloween all year. This is what we mean, Jubal #13, when we accuse you guys of just parroting “the Republican line,” that’s not a “moronic accusation at all.” It means you’re all saying the same meaningless thing and using the same meaningless words all of a sudden at the same time and it makes the rest of us feel like Night of the Living Dead.
Obama’s been very up front about his (quite moderate and sensible) tax & economic plans, and it looks like he’s heading to a landslide victory. So I guess if that’s redistributing wealth, then – sorry! – a healthy majority of your fellow Americans are fixing to vote for redistributing the wealth!
V: The “unedited” audio was packaged and annotated by folks who see scary Negros where there are none. Makes me wonder what they may have left out from this interview, as in context, etc.
J: Vern, the only one here viewing it through race-colored glasses is you.
I know you are but what am I.
Nice editing out and ignoring the meaning and context of my observation, as probably was done to Obama’s comments as well. Where did the mention of “African Americans” come from? Not me. And not Barack. Only from your ally, the maker of this video.
Vern said: “I hear “previously dispossessed people” near the beginning… Barack didn’t mention any particular race…”
OK Vern – who are the “previously disposed people” to whom BO is referring?
Vern said: “…a healthy majority of your fellow Americans are fixing to vote for redistributing the wealth!”
How much do want to bet that BO does not reach a majority?
OK Vern – who are the “previously dispossessed people” to whom BO is referring?
Dispossessed is the poor of any race, especially if they’re born poor. Civil rights are for everybody, not just African-Americans. Why do YOU PEOPLE have to inject race into everything?
How much do want to bet that BO does not reach a majority?
Rash bet, Junior. Fifty bucks? I may come shake your hand on it tomorrow, since I think I’m coming to your town!
Jubal: Your defeat, obviously. I don’t discuss “beliefs.” I discuss facts. You obviously don’t have any.
Joe:
Larry posted audio of Obama talking about income redistribution, which in his own words he considers to be an integral part of political and economic justice
You, in response, had a conniption and have been tossing out insults and non sequiturs.
Either defend Obama’s views on wealth redistribution by the government, or be quiet. But stop whining that anyone has the temerity to actually raise the subject of Obama’s views — although your upset reaction is confirmation that even you understand they undercut his carefully crafted attempt tp appear moderate
I don’t know if anyone reads this far down (comment # 41 ! ), but thanks for your thoughtful reasoning in comment #8, Larry. While I believe the increasing division in wealth between a monied elite and the working poor is a threat to our democracy, you’re absolutely right that the continued decline of American manufacturing presents the greatest threat to our country’s strength and security. It takes an engineer to fully appreciate that the novel ideas and the imagination to design new products and industries flow right off the manufacturing floor. A design engineer isolated from machinists, electricians and assemblers is like an artist kept in a cave. Our continued loss of manufacturing will lead to a stagnant economy, and eventual economic subservience to overseas competitors. I don’t see either of the guys vying to captain this ship listening to the guys in the engine room telling ’em that the bearings are worn, and we’re taking on water fast through the shaft packing.
This old interview is just SO popular now, and all of a sudden! All the boys and girls are loving it! When the almighty DRUDGE pushes it, you just know it’s going to be featured and fawned over by everyone from Larry Gilbert and Jubal all the way down to John McCain and Sarah Palin. So the following ABC analysis of what Barack actually was saying and how the rightwing dillwads are distorting it is quite timely. (OK Larry, what do you have for us to bury next?)
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/palin-suggests.html
Palin Suggests Obama Would Re-Write Constitution
ABC News’ Imtiyaz Delawala Reports: Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin went beyond her running mate’s recent attack on Sen. Barack Obama — inaccurately claiming that Obama called the lack of “redistributive change” during the civil rights movement a “tragedy” — and used Obama’s 2001 interview to insinuate that he wants to re-write the U.S. Constitution and appoint radical Supreme Court justices and judges who would confiscate the property of American citizens.
At two rallies in Western Pennsylvania last night, Palin referenced at the top of her remarks a 2001 public radio interview with Obama that surfaced this week, in which Obama discussed the role of the courts in the civil rights movement.
“There he was talking about the need for quote ‘redistributive change,'” Palin said on the campus of Shippensburg University Tuesday night. “Sen. Obama said that he regretted that the Supreme Court hadn’t been more radical. And he described the Court’s refusal to take up the issues of redistribution of wealth as a tragedy. And he said he also regretted that the Supreme Court didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers there in the Constitution”
Obama had in fact argued the opposite in the 2001 interview, saying that the civil rights movement had become too focused on making change through the judicial system, rather than from the ground up through community organizations.
But Palin used Obama’s words to follow an argument Sen. John McCain has made this week that Obama has long-advocated for “spreading the wealth.” “Obama says that he wants to spread the wealth,” Palin said to boos from the crowd. “In other words he thinks that it’s your job to earn the wealth and it’s his job to spread it.”
But Palin then went beyond any argument McCain has made, using the 2001 interview to insinuate that Obama wants to re-write the U.S. Constitution and appoint radical Supreme Court justices, while also suggesting that under Obama, judges would confiscate the property of American citizens.
Referencing the interview, Palin said, “So you have to ask, is this a suggestion that’s he’d want to re-write the founding document of our great nation to accomplish his goals. And what does that say about his ideas on future Supreme Court justices?”
“Let me remind Barack Obama of something else. When judges don’t confiscate your property and your hard-earned — all of your hard-earned money and then re-distribute that, he may call that a tragedy. But I call it fairness and adherence to our U.S. Constitution,” Palin added later in her remarks.
In the interview, Obama described one of the “tragedies of the civil rights movement” was that “the civil rights movement became so court-focused”.
“I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change, and in some ways, we still suffer from that,” Obama said in the interview.
When a caller asked whether economic redistribution should come through the courts or the legislative process, Obama replied, “I’m not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts. The institution just isn’t structured that way.”
Obama’s 2001 interview made no mention of judges confiscating property. The Palin campaign did not provide clarification on what Palin was referring to with the remark.
Palin said the 2001 interview revealed Obama’s “real ideology” and that his goal to “spread your wealth around” would only spread “scarcity and poverty and bureaucracy” and would stifle the country’s entrepreneurial spirit. She asked those in the crowd to support the Republican ticket to preserve the “uniquely American system that our founding fathers created.”
“Sometimes in politics it’s those candid little moments that give us the whole picture,” Palin said at a second rally on the Penn State campus in State College, PA last night. “But our opponent’s ideological commitment to spread your wealth around has been tried in other societies, and the only thing it ever spreads is scarcity and poverty and bureaucracy, and it stifles the entrepreneurial spirit that made this country the greatest country on Earth.”
The comments were similar to remarks Palin made at rallies this weekend in Iowa, where the Republican vice presidential nominee seemed to move from accusing Obama’s economic plans of having elements of socialism to also allude to the problems faced by communist systems.
Forbes created a list of the top 10 blue collar jobs. Their report reads:
By Forbes.com
It’s like blue-eyed crooner Frank Sinatra once said: “It’s nice work if you can get it.”
Though the U.S. economy remains strong, factory jobs are being outsourced, a slowing housing market has killed construction jobs over the past several months, and manufacturing employment has been on a downward trend in recent years.
John Judis puts my observation at #32 – the observation which Jubal and Junior aggressively ignore – the observation that whoever made this video gratuitously injected the word “African-Americans” into it – Judis puts it into context:
I mention the Bradley effect because I think, too, that McCain and Sarah Palin’s attack against Obama for advocating “spreading the wealth” and for “socialism” and for pronouncing the civil rights revolution a “tragedy” because it didn’t deal with the distribution of wealth is aimed ultimately at white working class undecided voters who would construe “spreading the wealth” as giving their money to blacks. It’s the latest version of Reagan’s “welfare queen” argument from 1980. It if it works, it won’t be because most white Americans actually oppose a progressive income tax, but because they fear that Obama will inordinately favor blacks over them…
Vern. What are you up to now? Conspiracy theories and/or racism when Senator McCain has not engaged in that type of conduct? Just a few days ago you were dancing in the streets with your slice of victory cake. While none of us know the final outcome, please show some class and engage in clean debate.
Fifty years ago I was in an Augusta, GA airport. As I approached the restroom I saw a sign that red “black only” on a drinking fountain and a bathroom that read “white only.”
I really don’t enjoy revisiting that era in our nations history by your allegations
Sorry Larry. It’s not me. It’s whoever made this video. Do you even read my comments? Go to 1:54. The producer of the video claims that Obama is talking about taking your money and giving it to black people. Then listen again. Obama said NO SUCH THING.
If you still don’t understand what I’m saying after this, I’ll give up and move on. I think everyone else does.