California’s Republican Party is almost dead. So what do these guys decide to do to restore the GOP? Some of them are bringing back Prop. 187, via a new state initiative:
“A conservative group is hoping to bring the issue of illegal immigration back to the front burner of California politics with a ballot measure that would create a new caste of birth certificates for children of the undocumented,” according to the Sacramento Bee.
Here are a few excerpts explaining this new “Son of Prop. 187” initiative:
The initiative, which proponents tout as the California Taxpayer Protection Act, is aimed for the June 2010 statewide ballot.
For undocumented parents to obtain the new “Certificate of Live Birth with Foreign Parent,” they would have to be photographed, fingerprinted and pay an additional $75 fee.
Beyond the birth certificates, the measure also would limit welfare payments for the children of undocumented immigrants, as well as require that any application for public benefits submitted by illegal immigrants be handed over to federal authorities.
But wait, there’s more:
“A second unrelated initiative was also cleared Friday for circulation. That measure would tighten voting rules, requiring voters to show a government-issued ID.”
Will these racist Republicans never learn?
Nothing racist there, Art.It sounds like a great idea and in fact doesn’t go far enough. What don’t you understand about protecting America and its legal residents and Citizens against illegal aliens.That’s not “Racist”; that’s Constitutional!
You really need to move to Mexico or China or Cuba or Canada if you don’t support the laws of this great Country that gives you the freedom to trash everybody you don’t like on this blog.
By the way, Republicans aren’t the only ones who support this! I’m a Democrat and I’m firmly against illegal immigration and what it has done to our state and nation. If they won’t obey our laws, kick them all out!
If Canada and Mexico could require ID to vote we can too. I think both political parties are able to do voter fraud. we just have to close each hole up.
Its not a racist thing to demand ID at the polls.
Maybe offer half price ID cards to those who need them if they make under a certain amount of money.
“If they won’t obey our laws, kick them all out!”
I agree. So go back to Europe where you came from (illegally) and give us our country back!
post 1 terrific . art dose not get this . you are a RACIST if your against illegal immigration.. if your for protecting the border your a racist . if your required to show a I .D AT a voting booth YOUR A RACIST IN ARTS WORLD . ART PUTS MEXICO IN FRONT OF THIS COUNTRY . look at all his immigration posts . i said immigration because he cant use the word illegal . any reps who sold us out to the dems for the highest tax increase in the u,.s.a. should be recalled .
Art why did you remove my comment on the fact that the healthy families commission in orange county is giving a hugh welfare package to the illegal immigrant population using prop 10 funds??.
Chair person: Dr. Minon CHOC hospital, Supervisor Bill campbell and CFO of CHOC hospital. Why is the CFO and head Dr. of CHOC hospital so involved with the Illegal immigrant population?? MEDICAL Money!!
and lots of it!! Why did CHOC hospital start turning a profit for they non-profit in the late 90’s OPTIACAL insurance set up by the OC supervisors to manage Medical!!
Coalation of Community Clinic,s (Lou Correa)!! MEDICAL MONEY!! FEDERAL AND LOCAL MONEY!! all non-profits that make alot of profit for its directors and employee’s, “all in the same club”! Illegal Immigrants make money!! plain and simple!! I am an immigrant who stumbled on this stuff looking for grants for a closing school. The Hispanic are just honey pots for the rich getting richer and the middle class and lower class they could not careless about. “WE DONT MAKE THEM MONEY”!
michell,
Welcome.
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Me and my friends in the Usual Suspects will be supporting this.
Julie Stroud will probably chair the efforts here in Santa Ana.
Thankyou
i just think this needs to be known!
I think both the Illegal immigrant population and legal and American born population are getting the shaft as we say in N.ireland. Santa Ana school district gets money money than any school district in the world (AND I DO MEAN WORLD!!) why is this school district turning out children with very poor education?? ESL learners make money for the district they do not re-classify these kid’s because it would loss the district money, same in all the other districts too!! As put to me by a OUSD employee the district’s make more money on Non-English learners than they do with English leaners. The district’s closed only schools that are mostly populated with English Speaking Children!! It is very Sad to watch OC go down a hole of corruption and greed headed by the Elected representive’s of the People!!
Michele,
Sorry your post vanished. Weird. I thought I approved it.
Thanks for re-posting!
michell,
Good post, although I have to disagree with some of it. If you have not seen the threads related to the corruption of the Santa Ana School district (SAUSD), then I suggest that read them on the OJ. The problems of poor neighborhood city schools are many and varied. Mismanagement of monies is certainly one. Poverty, lack of parental involvment and generational illiteratacy of newly immigrated working poor are some more issues that overwhelm the system.
I think we might all be able to agree that the borders between the US and Mexico have been porouos for at least a decade. It is time for the new president to make good on his word and enforce border control. I am concerned about the numbers of illegal immigrants, but that is vastly secondary to my concerns for national security. If common workers are able to breech the current system, then what kinds of criminal and terrorist activity is the US vulnerable to? The unsecured ports and borders are a national security crisis, imo.
Let’s get the borders under control and a lot of the collateral issues will begin to actually be manageable.
Hey Gordobot. Why does Julie Stroud get to chair the committee. I have more experience. I have no job. But I have a degree from USC. I’m more qualified to chair.
Illegal immigration is similar in nature to illegal drugs and other businesses where there is a market and a supply.
Addressing the drug and immigration issues only on the supply end will never solve the problem.
Ignoring the demand and supply factors and only dealing with the issue as a law enforcement response will not solve the issues.
What has and is happening with issues similar in nature like the above examples is that things get done only in response to corporate, political and job market self interests.
The self interest points get ignored. Everytime this issue is addreessed on this blog the points presented get ignored here too and the same mioptic self interest posts return tirelessly.
The USA is made up of legal people from all over the world. Terrorists find a legal way to get here. Jumping a wall or swimming a river are methods of crossing the border for the unsophisticated. Terrorists are well funded and with a degree of sophistication.
Border security as contiplated will only marginaly affect the loborer’s ability to cross. The labor market will make sure they get here. It will do next to nothing in regards to terrorists and those with Visas that don’t return to their countries.
The major world terrorists as it turned out were from Wall Street. They are responsible for the decline of the world economy.
Lets just be real and concentrate on cleaning our house.
All the cases of suspected voter fraud turned over to the DA’s office (Orange County Ca) for investigation involved “Vote by Mail” How is checking “ID’s” at the polls going to help?
Currently you ask for a “Vote by Mail” (No ID check) it comes to your home with your regular mail (No ID check) and you (or someone, No ID check) votes the ballot and mails it back with (No ID check) to the ROV’s office where it is processed, of course with No ID check.
If you make “No ID check” into “ID check” that would mean the end of “Vote by Mail” system the political parties love to abuse.
Everyone would have to vote at the polls or the ROV’s office or early voting sites so their ID’s could be checked.
Initiatives like those presented here are meaningless- will not solve anything.
They are just something for self interest groups to use for their agendas – to keep them busy and away from the big picture.
The Mexicans who come over here illegally are the Racists! They absolutely refuse to assimilate ie. learn English! They are just using our Country to further themselves financially. They are felons and thieves. They could give a hoot about what happens to the U.S.A. if they could earn a buck helping a terrorists they would. Oh and I forgot to mention they live like animals. My husband used to work in the Homebuilding industry before he was laid off and I don’t know who many times he found feces from a Mexican worker in the tub or even a drawer in a brand new bathroom in a recently built house that wasn’t complete yet. Disgusting!
Art you are the racist and you have a huge chip on your shoulder because you are of hispanic heritage. I know many hispanic people since even my childhood who would mention how they are ashamed of being hispanic because of the negative stereotypes assoicated with the culture.
#15,
What you are talking about has more to do with poverty and a lack of education than cultural issues. You are simply showing how ignorant you are of Latinos in general. You need to get out more.
But let’s parse the story your hubby related. I work in occupational safety. I cannot tell you how many times I have caught builders failing to provide sanitation facilities. Typically a guy like your husband has a truck and can take off to a nearby gas station or restaurant to use the restroom. Many Latino workers either get a ride to work, carpool, or take the bus. So where are they supposed to use the restroom?
The fact is, California is the number one state in Latino worker fatalities. Bet you did not know that. Immigrant workers are used and abused. But they are usually the hardest workers available. They do the dirty work that most white guys don’t want to touch.
Of course now that the Bush depression is in full swing, I am starting to see white folks finally doing dirty work. Now they know what Latino workers have to put up with…
#15,
You state “Mexicans that come to the ASA are Racist”, yet you offer no examples of how they are Racists.
You do offer examples on what you base your racism on.
– They absolutely refuse to assimilate
– They are just using our country to further themselves financially
– They are felons and thieves
– They do not care about the USA
– They would help terrorists for financial gain
– THEY LIVE LIKE ANIMALS
YOU HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB ON EXPOSING YOURSELF.
Your post reads like you have the chip on your shoulder and not Art. I guess you don’t need to be Hispanic to have a chip on your shoulder.
The type of dehumanization as you have outlined was also done in Nazi Germany against the Jews.
Rethink your position. Get informed, don’t rely on stereotypes to form an opinion.
A stereotype is a simplified and standardized conception or image shared by members of a group.
Undocumented immigrants make Orange County run…get over it ignorant people…just accept it.
I wonder if you ever think about the sacrifice it takes to leave your country, leave your loved ones, your friends, in order to have a better quality life.
No probably not, because like every other person that spouts the kind of hate that has been thrown up throughout the comments to the post, you are all selfish uncultured IGNORANT lazy people who choose to stay in your very small introverted world.
#1, 4, 7, 11, & 15 are all disgustingly sick people that need professional help. Good luck with that 😉
GET IT WRONG . i wonder if you ever though of the cost these people are to the tax payers . now i wont go crazy like some of the other post on here i will let the race baiters and they know who they are handle that one . illegas make o.c run . no AMERICAS DO . we have has this conversation a millon times . ENFORCE THE LAW . that means find them , deport them , and also get the people who hire them .
Art,
I’m totally pro-immigration, but the idea is to provide sensible treatment and lawful integration for immigrants who want to come here to work — not to collect welfare. There may or may not be rascist sentiments lurking in the hearts of some of the proponents, but if the measure makes sense from a public policy perspective then it still deserves a yes vote, regardless of the motives and world-view of the other yes voters.
Here’s the ballot summary:
DENIAL OF PUBLIC BENEFITS FOR PERSONS WHO CANNOT VERIFY LAWFUL PRESENCE. DENIAL OF BIRTH CERTIFICATES TO CHILDREN OF UNDOCUMENTED PARENTS WHO FAIL TO VERIFY STATUS. INITIATIVE STATUTE. Requires applicants for state, local, and state-administered federal aid to verify lawful presence in United States. Requires applications for public benefits submitted by undocumented parents on behalf of their lawful-resident children to be given to federal authorities. Denies birth certificates to children born to undocumented parents unless mother provides fingerprint and other information to be given to federal authorities. Limits benefits for children in child-only CalWORKS cases to federal minimum. Summary of estimate by Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal impact on state and local government: If upheld in the courts, unknown potential one-time and ongoing costs to state and local governments due to changes in the application process for public benefits as well as changes in the way birth certificates are issued. These costs would be partly offset by additional new fees for certain birth certificates. Unknown, but probably minor, state and local law enforcement costs due to provisions in the measure creating new crimes, such as for the filing of false affidavits to obtain public benefits. If upheld in the courts, state savings of over $1 billion annually from prohibiting child-only CalWORKs cases, partially offset by state and county costs for children who shifted to Foster Care or county general assistance programs. Further unknown savings from the provisions changing the application processes for public benefits. (09-0004.)
Might not be perfect, but I’m leaning to a “Yes” if it comes up.
Americans run O.C is correct.
In the process Americans hire the labor( Undocumented Immigrants) who run or have a major role in producing a healthy ecomomy.
This fact is backed by Federal, private and Academic research groups.
Historically the economy of the USA has been largely on the backs of cheap labor, legal or not.
It started with slaves from Africa followed by cheap labor from all of Europe – a large amount from Italy – then cheap labor from China, Ireland, Mexico and South America.
Now cheap labor source is also in the form of outsourcing to India and China.
Our hunger for cheap labor will not go away. This hunger is responsible for the symptoms of poverty that critics of immigration use to attack illegal immigration.
We need to take some form of responsibility for this. We need to have a plan to deal with the problems associated with our hunger for cheap labor.
Consistantly only attacking the illegal immigrant is self defeating.
post 20 a well written , good ideas , it would be hard to get all that passed because the dems want to legalize them so they can have the votes and reps want them for their cheap labor , until we get rid of all these free programs , they will keep coming here .
The ballot is not for denying benefits to the undocumented. It is denying benefits to USA citizens by targeting the parent’s legal status.
Federal assistance programs already require proof of legal residence. Private social programs do not.
From what I understand the US constitution gives citizenship to those born on US soil without exceptions.
The legality of the ballot will be a constitutional question for the courts to decide. It wont be a DEM and REP political debate.
Research shows very little use of illegal federal assistance by the undocumented. The majority of federal assistance is by white US citizens.
The undocumented do not come here for a hand out. They come here to work. Their hard work ethic is why we hire them.
Their decision to come to the USA is not based on ” I need to cross Mexico or South America Dodge all the crime, deserts and rivers, without dying in the process, so I can get benefits from free programs”.
Solving the problem By “until we get rid of all these free programs, they will keep coming here” , is just soooo silly and ignorant.
20 years ago the border was easier to cross and cheap. The laborers worked here, left their families back home, because they could visit them regularly due to how easy and cheap it was to get back to the USA.
When this changed they brought their families with them because they could not visit them on a regular basis.
A Temporary worker program allowing easy visits to their families would solve most of the labor social issues.
This does not happen because our government wants them here for reasons our government does not tell us.
Get it Right.
I just wanted to let you know that i left my country, “Ireland”, to come here for a better life. I left my family, friends and never got to see my mum before she died.
I met my husband here in the usa and at one point we were so poor that we had to look in the couch for money to split a burger.
we built our home by ourselves, had children later in life because we could efford to provide for them. And never have we stopped working.
I pay $1000 a month for health insurance that kills us finacially and still owe the hospital for my last birth.
We have our own business, but we had to let our guys go because we cannot efford the taxes.
Americans are not Ignorant, racist, or mean!! They are just fedup like i am.
It is plainly unfair and rediculous to expect my family to get strapped with a culture of people that feel that they can come to this country and take freely from its people.
I do put more blame on the representives of the American people for betraying their trust with their hard earned tax dollars. I feel that the people of this country either legal residents or American born should start holding the elect accountable for this abbvious scam of the American taxpayer.
Every immigrant population that has come here to the US has contributed to the prosperity of this nation, but the illegal immigrant population that comes from Mexico is draining American resources and destroying its public school system. Its is a sad fact, but very true!!
If you go look at the Healthy Families Commission of Orange County you can see just how much the American people are been taken for a ride to provide of the Hispanic population of Orange County. I think it is a disgrace to call them underserved. I believe that its is the American worker that is underserved and this has got to stop!!
Art,
I am sorry but you are very wrong that illegals do not use federal and state money and that it is used by mostly whites!! I would love to see your satistics!
Even a supervisor of LA stated the they could no longer provide service’s to illegals because they were draining the system.
The whole white/brown thing has got to stop.
This is not about race!. Its about the rights of the people of this country to not have to pay for a people of another nation period!
Michell,
The simple fact is that the vast majority of children in K-12 are US born. They are US citizens. You refer to them as Mexicans. They are Americans of Mexican decent. Why do you have this mental block?
The nation’s school system is falling or has fallen behind the rest of the developed world. I really doubt that the illegal immigrants are responsible for it. Do you you think maybe bad management,labor unions and politics might have something to do with this problem?
You can find the statistics by searching the web. Do not take my word for it. I believe you are not informed and are using anti illegal immigrant talking points to base your opinion on.
The LA supervisor could be wrong or playing politics.
The conversation from me is that research groups conclude the opposite that you claim – people of this country pay for a people of another nation.
The US is the job magnet. When here working, the economic pros and cons balance out to the positive according to the research groups dealing with this issue. This is relative to the undocumented.
Refusing to acknowledge this research then does make it a white?brown thing.
The children born here are US citizens and have all the rights and access to services that you and I have.
What problem do you have with Healthy families commission offering health care to Hispanic children? The vast majority of them are US born. These children are here, are Americans, are poor and this commission sees the benefit of making them and keeping them healthy so these children can lead productive lives. What do you see wrong with this. Is this not a humane way of using our tax dollars. I hope your issue with this commission is not that they are funding health care to American children with a HISPANIC HERITAGE.
I believe your anger in being fed up is with the wasteful corporate and government spending and you are misdirecting your anger towards a group that has trouble defending it self.
“It is plainly unfair and ridiculous to expect my family to get strapped with a culture of people that feel they can come to this country and take freely from it’s people”
This statement is so devoid of any sense of truth and history. It is just intellectually dishonest and irresponsible to label Mexicans as a culture of free loaders. You need to apologize for this.
Research also shows that when comparing immigrant waves of similar economic status, the recent Mexican illegal wave of immigrants have advanced economically and assimilated at a higher rate than earlier waves, such as the Italians, Chineese and your decent – the Irish.
If you haven’t seen the movie Gangs of New York, you should. You will get a sense of their struggles as a immigrant group. The Irish culture was stereotyped less than human. This should open your eyes to your heritage and soften your views towards your fellow humans facing similar struggles.
Art,
I have nothing to gain from putting down other immigrants.
Choc makes a mint from Medical.
Did you read what i wrote regarding the Healthy Families Commission. Alot of Non-profit’s make alot of Profit off the Illegal immigrant population. Which happen’s to be mostly Mexican’s in California
I think that you are blinded by a simple block of Illegal immigrant denial!!
When immigrants came hear in the 1800-1900’s their was no WIC/welfare.
If you did not make it in the US you either died or self deported.
Gangs the movies is just that “a movie”.
i know many immigrants from around the world . Some are from the poorest counties in the world. yet all have struggled to speak English, because they know it is the language of success.
Their are many people waiting in line to come to this county so that they could learn the Language, give their kid’s the best chance of an education and work toward the American dream.
i feel that many People from Mexico come to join the line at the welfare office, because they have no sense of self worth and self reliance.
I am an outsider looking in at a culture of people that are in self distruct mode. Whether it be in the US or Mexico itself!!
I do not feel sorry for a people that have a great chance to shine in the US, because of the great opportunities that this county has to offer.
Mexican’s need to listen to people like me who have no agenda and not to people like Lou Correa who lines his pockets with American money or nice guys like you Art that have a big heart that hurts these people more than it helps!!
All the Best
By the way Art, these people who can’t defend themselves have more than adaquent defence with the likes of the ACLU, and with the healthy families legal aid assistance.
I would like to know if the ACLU would defend an American family that is forced to take their child out of their school district because the school is over crowded with the children of Non-Americans who refuse to learn the nation’s language.I wonder Art to you have children in public schools?? Don’t get me wrong i already know that the school districts also make a huge amount on Non-English speakers, but the parents also have a responsible to the country that they have entered illegally to cause no harm!!
Unlike you Art i do not believe that Mexicans are any less intelligent than i. I came here with nothing and struggled to make it here without the assistance of the state!!
Michell,
Federal assistance programs including Medical requires the applicant to be a legal resident.
You are are barking up the wrong tree associating free Federal programs with illegal immigrants.
You comments are biased and with great prejudice againts Mexicans-your comments:
– Mexicans have no sense of self worth and self reliance.
– Mexicans are a culture of people that are in self destruct mode
– Unlike other immigrants like my Irish ancestary are just free loaders with no interest in the American dream.
– Schools are crowded with non Americans.
– Refuse to learn English
With these baseless beliefs I understand why you have the opinion uou have.
You use them to justify your prejudice. I believe you do have an agenda.
If you live off welfare, it is obvious that you have no selfworth. A huge amount of Mexicans in this state live off entitlements.
It is excepted in the Mexican Culture that children can have children. A large population of Mexican girls under the age of consent and unmarried are having children.
In one Santa Ana zip code over 100 girls under the age of 17 gave birth last year.
when Irish immigrants came here they could receive no entitlements, Mexicans immigrants of today receive entitlements because they are seen as under thepoverty line. (no English,no green card) where can they work???
Children speaking spanish with illegal parents have over crowded the schools so much that Americans have taken their childern out of their local schools. You can not teach a child the basics in education if they need to learn the language first!!
No Art you are betraying your own country men not I.
I was a nurse working in Santa Ana, some of my patients had been here more than 20yrs and did not speak English because they saw no need too.
i would use children to interpurt for their parents about medical matters that children should not have to be subjected to.
The children of Mexican illegal immigrants, receive a huge amount of Government entitlements,
you name it they get it. Medical,MSI,Grants,WIC,food Stamps,free school meals, free dental, free pre-schools. ON AND ON AND ON.>>> Coalition of community clinic’s is federal,state,and healthy families funded. Why do you think before your republican board of supervisors enacted caloptima CHOC was going broke!! Kim Cripe CFO gets over $1m a year, she is on the board of healthy families commission. CHOC is making a mint off Medical!! so is Coalition of community clinic (LOU CORREA) on the board!!
You sir are either an idiot or getting rich too off the entitlements Mexican’s get in this state!!
I have no agenda, its just the truth.
I suggest you get to know more hard working families and see if they get free health care/entitlements for their kids. and i as an immigrant have never received any assistance for my children.
Your state is going broke, because of complete denial of Mexico’s poor living of the entitlements of their children and the rich receiving the benifits of those entitlements.
The American dream is earned not given!!
The above is the truth whether you want to believe it or not!!
Michelle Quinn,
I beleive you are the idiot.
Children of illegal immigrants for the most part are US born. They are entittled to services as you are. Only a very small % of K-12 children do not speak english. Look up the statistic. There are North American communities in Mexico( Cabo San Lucas is one) where they speak English only. The natives cater to them in English without issues or anger like you have.
Most of the services are used by white citizens. What do you think of your white neighbors using the majority of your tax dollars?
White citizens including some Irish are using most of the Federal programs does this mean they have no self worth. Irish citizens using the programs then make you part of a culture with no self worth. What should we do with you and your culture?
Teen pregnancy is a national problem and part of every race and economic level. Senator Palin’s daughter is an example. Please chomp on another bone. You come out as silly and ignorant.
Do you just have an issue with US born children from Hispanic illegal parents recieving the services?
I think you do.
Illegal Immigrants makeup more or less %4 of the US polpulation. Are you saying that less than %4 of the population is responsible for the depletion of Federal program money and obusing your tax dollars? I think not.
If you are concerned with entittlements affecting you tax ollars why don’t you direct your anger where the problem realy is:
– Corporate bail outs
– Corporate subsidies
– Governmental over spending
– deregulation abuse
You don’t and you won’t because you have an agenda.
Thanks, Art Lomelli.
No thanks Michelle Quinn…the amount of generalities you make ring the bell of “I need psychological help”. Honestly, to carry that much hate around is REALLY unhealthy. You sound like an irrational person.
You should consider moving back to Ireland, sounds like you hate America!
Hey Michelle,
Do you write for the LA TIMES? If so, can’t wait to read your articles 😉
I was a nurse working in Santa Ana, some of my patients had been here more than 20yrs and did not speak English because they saw no need too.
i would use children to interpurt for their parents about medical matters that children should not have to be subjected to.
You should visit SF- same situation except the people there speak chinese. Ever been to Westminster where the old folks speak Vietnamese, exclusively? You need to get out more often…. there are ethnic pockets everywhere, where the people don’t have to rely on knowing English to get by.
And what a drag it must have been for those families to have to rely on a bigot like you for care. Sad.
You are the idiot’s not I. You have no idea what hate is!!
Whether you come here as a legal immigrant or illegal immigrant You are not entitled to anything from the people of this country.
The parent is responsible for the well being of their childern and that is a fact!!
You are all a bunch of over educated fools who live in a bubble and have never seen past your door steps.
I love this county every race and Greed.
What i do not like is that the rich use the poor to get richer and the poor become poorer because of ignorance.
Stop with your bigot crap, you lot are a bunch of elitist 60’s Morons that what to distroy this country for the rest of us. whether we are American born or immigrants.
When i was a nurse in Santa Ana i loved my patients, saved many lives and my patients loved and appreciated me. I dont look at people as being poor or rich or black or white.
I see all like me just wanting and striving for a better life.
The hispanics and their children are no less or more important than anyother hard working family and are not entiltled to anything!!
learn the language, work hard and educate yourself and your children that is the American dream!!
I am an Amercian Citizen and earned my right to be one how dare you tell me to leave my country!!
Maybe you idoits should move to mexico and teach English!! since you think the Mexicans are not able to learn it here in the US like everyother immigrants that have come to this country!!
Salut’e
You need to call this the Liberial OC blog. Usless information that is completely devoid of facts:} like the OCR, LAT
michell,
Don’t be silly. The Liberal OC is a dead blog. They got 3,339 visits to their blog this week, whereas we got 9,777 site visits. They are not even in the same zip code.
What makes our blog unique is that our writers range from left to right and in between. We don’t tell you what to think – we just share our thoughts with you and let you make up your own mind. Isn’t that the best way to go?
Thank God i am able to counter your posts with the facts. Have a concerative writes somes posts and really make it fair and balanced.
You write as a liberal, its all based on emotion and not fact.
Your comments back to your bloggers with a differnt option is the same old liberal bull.
If you have a different option your either stupid, rasist or a bigot.
You call me a bigot aganist Mexican,s.
Yet you have no idea who i am.
I am a poor,catholic and come from a large family from a single mother who lost her husband at the hands of a terrorist. I came from a segergated area of the Falls Road Belfast. I have alot in common with the hispanic’s and have the right intention at heart. Not based on emotion but fact!!
Sorry for the bad spelling
i am tired now
Good night
michell,
You offer no facts whatsoever. Everything you post are your personal opinions and beliefs. You do have the right to do so.
We also have the right to disagree with you and offer our opinions and knowledge. We do have an idea of who you are by what you write in your posts.
You are no conservative spokesperson countering liberal opinion on this blog. What a self important opinion you have of yourself – this is sad.
You started the name calling and ranting and continue. You will also continue to be an angry lady and many of us will continue to believe you are an ignorant, lonely bigot.
The facts are in Santa Ana itself: High crime rates, high gang rates, high teen pregnancy rates, high drop out rates, high use of social services. High child abuse rates, high domestic violence rates. ECT>>>>>>>>>>
All a fact!!!
I would say yes “i have a very high opinion of myself”, thats why i was able to get out of the mold that i was born into.
This is why your poor Hespanic immigrants need to listen to Immigrants like myself not You Mr.Pedroza.
I wonder were your parents,grandparents immigrants did they get WIC,Social services or did they like myself and many other immigrants strive on their own. Did it make them better people for it!! And did it give you a better chance.
Socialism has never made a country or a people great. This is why this country is the greatest country on earth!! born with a belief in self reliance, perserverance, small Government.
Your right about one thing!! illegals immigrants are just the pon in a money making heist by the a few greedy corrupt politicans and business people that care nothing for the immigrants or the Americans they rob.
You also have a high opinion of yourself if you think i careless what you think of me!!
God bless:)
Yes rude vixen,
I do get out and open my eyes.
Immigrants every where not on welfare. even if the grand parents speak another language. Their all over this great country.
Irvine highest rate of Asian immigrants with the higest ranked schools most API scores over 9
English is the language of sucess that is why most countries speak it as a second language.
Sorry madam, but you are either as thick as a brick or you are blind to the outside world!!
by the way What a drag is a 60’s term that no one use’s anymore. Just a wee FYI.
Michell,
Do you believe the social problems you listed that occurr in Santa Ana are particular to Hispanic communies everywhere by nature?
Based on the facts you present in the Santa Ana Hispanic community have lead you have come to the conclussion that:
-Mexicans have no sense of self reliance and self worth.
-Mexicans are a culture of people in a self destruct mode.
If you believe this how can they get out of the long list of self inflicted social problems you have listed by following your advice as their Mesiah.
Are we geneticaly predisposed to depend on social services?
Do you believe we are incapable of rising from poverty?
Do you beleive these problems are a direct result of Hispanics using social services?
Your solution for the Hispanics seems to be – You will overcome by not using social services as I did.
How brilliant lets all lobby to remove all entiltments so we may enter Utopia as you see it.
Readers please excuse me for following this thread further , but I find Michell’s logic facinating.
art lomeli, I think michell’s “logic” has been compromised by indulgences of an alcoholic nature, at least I hope so.
How un PC of you Anonster Stereo typing the Irish. I wonder if you would insult me to my face, but in reading your post’s i would say you are a coward!!
The logic is simple Art, not that you could get it!!
No entitlements, incentive to do it yourself.
Entitlements lack of incentive!!
your posts are boring me, you have not answered any of my questions.
Again. “why should any American family pay for a family that immigrants to the US”.
When i received my green card i had to stipulate that i would not take Government aid” Should i have expected too?? And again alot of people make a lot of money of the influx of the poor from Mexico. Using the same bull crap that you spout!!
So you and your liberial buddies keep trying to insult me with idiotic stereotyping crap, i am not as easily intimadated as you might be.
Everything i have written is the truth you just can’t stand that a up start from the falls road, Belfast is busting your (well you know):)
Have a nice day!!
And the utopia is America without the entitlements, that’s why immigrants move away from socicalist countries.
WHY IS THAT ART, ALL WE HAD TO DO IS LIVE OFF THE GOVERNMENT??
I AM SAD FOR THE HISPANIC’S IF YOU ARE AN EXAMPLE OF THEIR LEADERSHIP!!
I believe in the hispanice’s more than you!!
They dont need your stinkin charity!!
O how funny
GOT YOU DOCTOR!!!
HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU MAKE FROM MEDICAL!!
HOW MUCH MONEY ARE YOU MAKING OFF YOUR BELOVED HISPANIC COMMUNITY???
Michell,
The point of my inquiries, which you do not answer, is that entitlements are offered and accepted by all that qualify, from the poor- using Medical, to the rich – General Motors and Bank of America, taking bailout maoney.
The point of concern with you is your fixation and anger of Hispanic citizen children using the same services other groups use. Tax payers are not paying for social services to immigrants. The services you mention are for US citizens.Get this through your thick head.
In Third world countries entitlements are not offered. This does not create incentives. Opportunity creates incentives. In third world countries including socialist ones there is no opportunity.Opportunity is why we are here including you.
The current Hispanic immigrant wave ( poor and uneducated) is progressing ahead of other similar immigrant waves to the the USA.
The nature of entitlements to citizens like social services and financial assistance to businesses is what creates incentives and is the reason for the economic success of this country.
You are myoptic due to your prejudice and therefore can not see the big picture.
The solution to examples of social problems in the Santa Ana Hispanic community is the inplementation of proper social engineering.
This is a complex undertaking unlike your simplistic solution- don’t use entitlements. In any case the Hispanic population uses very litlle in comparision to others. Look it up this is from governmental research.
Hispanic children born in the USA using Medical is not the reason for the social problems in the Santa Ana communities that are affected.
You don’t bore me. You fasinate me.