This woman is a disgrace, a bigot, and has no respect for the law
Department of Homeland Security Chief, Janet Napolitano must be FIRED! First she printed a disgusting report pointing out defining “right wing extremists” to include those who favor State and Local Government over Federal Government. Really, has she not Read the US Constitution? Has she not Read the 10th Amendment? She makes me sick, and scared. Also included in the definition of right wing extremist are those who are concerned about single issues, such as immigration or abortion. So f I am passionate about illegal immigration or abortion I am a threat to the Country? And as we have all heard now she wants returning veterans to be watched!!! Are you kidding me, the exact people who provide and protect your freedom to be an idiot, are now considered a possible threat???
The report itself has an obvious bias against gun owners who participate in a LEGAL RIGHT, it is clear, if you read the report she states gun owners are worried about a “perceived threat” to take away and register guns? Perceived? It has been a stated objective by some in Congress, and legislation is pending! In addition there is a very subtle line of her bigotry, where she states that both gun owners and Law Abiding Citizens are stocking up on ammo and guns! So her own bigotry comes out, implying gun owners are some how NOT law abiding citizens!
Finally she is either ignorant or has Zero respect for the law when she stated illegal immigration is not a crime! In an interview with CNN’s John King last week while discussing illegal immigration she said.
“And yes, when we find illegal workers, yes, appropriate action, some of which is criminal, most of that is civil, because crossing the border is not a crime per se. It is civil. But anyway, going after those as well.”
She is a menace, and must be fired!
It is a double standard with these idiots.
When i came to this country i had to go back to England to get my green card, they treated me like dirt, made me wait a month to find out if i got my green card. I then got stopped coming into the US with my paper’s for my green card. (they accused me of trying to sneak in without my card in hand stating that it was ILLEGAL)finally after about an hour they let me go “i had missed my flight and had to get a new one”, I had to sign alot of paper work stating that i would not take any government benifits.
My friend from india (Nurse) who’s husband is a engineer had been waiting 5 years in line to come to live in this country. Even if you come to this country on a visa and stay past the visa’s time limit, if you are caught “it is ILLEGAL for you to enter the country again”,
You can see that Americans everywhere are becoming very unhappy with the Government, because they do not understand why their Government is betraying its own citizens.
I believe that Ms Napolitano is just one more left wing wack jobs that hate’s and want’s to distroy the ability of the American people to question or oppose the Government!!
Their is more power to gain as a Government, when the people that you Govern depend on the Government.
This from the Veterans of Foreign Wars National Commander Glen M. Gardner Jr., April 15,2009;
“DHS Report was a threat assessment, NOT accusation.”
“The report proves that DHS is doing it’s job, and that’s to protect America and Americans.”
“A government that does not assess internal and external security threats would be negligent of a critical public responsibility,”
“The report should have been worded differently, but it made no blanket accusation that every soldier was capable of being a traitor like Benidict Arnold, or every veteran could be a lone wolf, homegrown terrorist like Timothy McVeigh. It was just an assessment about possibilities that could take place.”
“That’s how successful military campaigns are waged, and that’s exactly how our nation must be protected. You try to plan for every possible wildcard scenario, and then you adjust your plans accordingly.”
My question for you wing-nuts; if the national commander of the VFW, a Vietnam veteran of the U.S. Marine Corps thinks that “the report proves that the DHS is doing it’s job” (a report by the way, started under the Bush administration) WHY ARE YOU SO OUTRAGED?
Let’s be real, all you folks want to do is attack the Obama administration, NO MATTER how FLIMSY the pretext.
Great post, thank you. Anonster, the report wasn’t just about veterans, so your quote from a Marine is nothing more than political shilling to me.
annonster, I did not see that earlier quote, but to a man EVERY veteran I know, and I have a lot of them who are close friends of mine are Pissed.
And the difinition of Right wing extremists? Is that OK? Not agreeing with the Administration gets you on a list? No, that too is wrong. If Bush did it with the Leftists, you Cnn, CNBC, MSNBC would be up in arms. Show some guts and some courage for once.
for those that dont know anonster is one of these msnbc , bush is hitler , obama walks on water people . nobama can do no wrong in his eyes . every time you present a fact he inserts bush .
Bigmarkod, PETA, EarthFirst, Catholic Workers ,A.N.S.W.E.R., and PLENTY MORE are all left-wing groups that have been “monitored” by the government. You wing-nuts act like you haven’t been cheerleaders for domestic surveillance for the past 8 years, then SUDDENLY 4 months ago, you all realized that you really distrust government, hmmm,what could have changed?
That doesn’t read quite right, I did not mean that “PLENTY MORE” was a left-wing group, but that there are many more left-wing groups that have been “monitored” as well.
Anonster – you are quite off the mark. Nothing has changed. Concerned Americans and conservatives remain consistent, we police our own, we acknowledge shortcomings, we keep country first, we want smaller, smarter government, we speak out against our leaders when they are off the mark. You’re demagoguery and that of the extreme left shows no bounds. When a liberal Democrat steps out of line with bad behavior, you all circle the wagons and point to someone else’s worse behavior. Its apparent in every aspect. Your leaders can lie, cheat on taxes (five, count ’em FIVE Obama high-position appointees includeing the Secretary of the Treasury), have a romantic involvement with the leaders of institutions to which they ensured billions of dollars flowed, and from which millions flowed back to their campaigns, all this and not an eyebrow is raised. Liberalism was supposed to be synonymous with tolerance and yet intolerance abounds. For example – liberal’s preach acceptance of “alternative lifestyles” and when the masses begin that acceptance, they turn the world upside down and say anyone who respectfully disagrees with that lifestyle is a bigot, not even worthy to win a beauty pageant. So now the extreme minority rules the day and the considerable majority who commit that mortal sin of believing in male-female marriage, are close minded fascists no longer welcome to have an opinion. It’s not enough that they quietly accept it – they have to pray on the altar of homosexuality and disregard their own religion. That’s seems reasonable.
It is increasingly clear there is but one standard on the left: Blind allegiance. You might want to ask yourself honestly, “How far will I go. How far is too far before I begin to question that allegiance”. Is my country’s leader, in 10 days proclaiming America’s evil around the world while simultaneously tagging it’s selfless, life-offering veterans as targets for terrorism, too far? Is spending more of our money in 60 days than ALL of the previous 42 presidents COMBINED a possible cause for alarm? How about dramatically weakening the strength and resolve of the intelligence forces that protect it by putting them on notice that anything more aggressive than a tea party with a suspected terrorist is unacceptable and they’ll be subject to subpoena. Sorry, but moral highgorund doesnt lead in the dirty underworld of war, terrorism and national defense. Ask yourself – not from the fantasy wonderland mentality of believing that “if we are nice to the bad guys, they are going to be nice to us”, but from the realistic, historically grounded perspective that weakness is ALWAYS exploited by aggressors. Ask yourself, what if, sitting in a undisclosed location are the loves of your life, your wife, your daughter, your brother. Sitting with you is the psychotic deviant who knows of the plot to behead them in a few hours. He knows exactly how you can stop it, but now refuses to tell you. He laughs in your face and reminds you what the world now knows, that you cannot touch him, raise your voice or threaten him with anything more than your harsh judgment. You honestly want me to believe that you would not do whatever is necessary to save your innocent family from this evil attack? If you would, then you are pitiful and weak, and hopefully you are not a parent, you would not be worthy if you would not give your life to protect your children. And if you would give your life, but would not use the temporary discomfort of a conspirator to save them, well, you’re woefully misguided – or is it blindly alegiant.
Let the sunlight in. Be honest, use your head. Do your neurons fire strong enough across the synapses to recognize the blatant inconsistency when the same president who clamors for credit for authorizing the use of deadly force to kill, not taunt in their underpants, pour water on, sleep deprive or play loud music at, but K-I-L-L pirates, disallows decidedly less terminal actions to obtain information already proven to thwart attacks that would have killed hundreds or thousands. Yes, the methods are imperfect, and do sometimes yield unreliable results, but they also work. We only have to be right once.
Perhaps you should consider the same.
GregB, respectfully, you are full of crap. Police your own? Where were you when abortion doctors have been shot, where were you when a Unitarian Church was shot up this summer by a right-wing nut case, where were you when some paranoid gun nut killed 3 cops a few weeks ago?
Did you know we EXECUTED Japanese soldiers for WATER-BOARDING American soldiers? If you don’t VALUE the MORAL high ground, you have NO IDEA what the United States of America is really about. I refer you to George Washington’s writings on torture.
As to Democrats criticizing their own, go to any liberal blog and you will find criticism of Obama, his position on prosecuting Bush administration officials over torture, is a case in point.
Further more pull your head out of your paranoid fantasies- life IS NOT an episode of 24.
I agree with anonster. Where were all of you during the Civil War? If you didn’t speak up back then, you should just shut up now.
anonster,
Not for you bubble boy. Let me quess you work for university, an eternal student!!
You have no idea about the world, because your world is the safe haven of the US. The OC.
Go to the middle east, take a walk down a taliban strong hold and lets see if you change your mind.
you might want to bring your own latte i dought you will find a star bucks there!!
If it makes a killer feel uncomfortable to get info to save a life…. GO FOR IT!!
“This woman is a disgrace, a bigot, and has no respect for the law!”
Who…Sarah Palin?….she also has her snowmobile
keys in her back pocket too!
rw
#12- I thought yopu were done Drinking and Blogging?
Hey, we’re all good Germans here aren’t we?
another idiot, I would have to refer you to Larry Gilbert for Civil War anecdotes.
Anonster – Ah yes, the classic liberal argument tactics, attack anyone you disagree with and defend bad behavior by pointing out some other bad behavior. So how is it you have any indication that I or any fellow conservative supported any of what you listed? I’m certain you dont. Where was I on 9/11, I didnt blog on that either, so… by your insurmountable logic, I approve of it? How about you address the substance of the argument. I’ll make it really simple so you can follow along:
Obama: We will be safer by taking the moral highground [despite incredibly diminishing the arsenal and the will of our protectors]. So from now on we won’t taunt or scare any more vicious murderers.
Obama2: You have my authorization to immediately kill three men holding our ship captain hostage.
Please explain the moral highground in Obama2.
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My point on “police our own” – Where’s Trent Lott? (Birthday party embarassment – bows out under party pressure) and David Duke? (Booted by own party once outed as former KKK sympathizer) By stark contrast where is Senator Byrd? (actual KKK grand wizard)?
Where is Mark Foley? (embarassed homosexual conduct with page) By contrast where is Barney Frank? (Incredibly innappropriate homosexual relationship with funded Fannie Mae rep Moses)
Where is Gerry Studds?
I’ll help you out again – they are all still honored members in good standing in the Democratic party.
Where is Charles Wrangle – is he shunned for being a supreme hypocrite and tax cheat? Nope, all good. Where is Ted Chappaquiddick Kenedy?
If it weren’t so freigthening and real it would be a bad joke – how many criminals can one president appoint in under 80 days: Richardson, Daschle, Solis, Killefer, Geithner… seriously how can you possibly explain this away? Better, why would you? Are there NO honest democrats that can be appointed? And none to decry the choices? Where is the outrage? There is none – just blind alegiance.
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I’ll take the time to refute the rest of your feeble argument if you show any honesty or substance in your response.
PS – Impressive refutation in 15 as well.
Anonster – Ah yes, the classic liberal argument tactics, attack anyone you disagree with and defend bad behavior by pointing out some other bad behavior. So how is it you have any indication that I or any fellow conservative supported any of what you listed? I’m certain you dont. Where was I on 9/11, I didnt blog on that either, so… by your insurmountable logic, I approve of it? How about you address the substance of the argument. I’ll make it really simple so you can follow along:
Obama: We will be safer by taking the moral highground [despite incredibly diminishing the arsenal and the will of our protectors]. So from now on we won’t taunt or scare any more vicious murderers.
Obama2: You have my authorization to immediately kill three men holding our ship captain hostage.
Please explain the moral highground in Obama2.
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My point on “police our own” – Where’s Trent Lott? (Birthday party embarassment – bows out under party pressure) and David Duke? (Booted by own party once outed as former KKK sympathizer) By stark contrast where is Senator Byrd? (actual KKK grand wizard)?
Where is Mark Foley? (embarassed homosexual conduct with page) By contrast where is Barney Frank? (Incredibly innappropriate homosexual relationship with funded Fannie Mae rep Moses)
Where is Gerry Studds?
I’ll help you out again – they are all still honored members in good standing in the Democratic party.
Where is Charles Wrangle – is he shunned for being a supreme hypocrite and tax cheat? Nope, all good. Where is Ted Chappaquiddick Kenedy?
If it weren’t so freigthening and real it would be a bad joke – how many criminals can one president appoint in under 80 days: Richardson, Daschle, Solis, Killefer, Geithner… seriously how can you possibly explain this away? Better, why would you? Are there NO honest democrats that can be appointed? And none to decry the choices? Where is the outrage? There is none – just blind alegiance.
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I’ll take the time to refute the rest of your feeble argument if you show any honesty or substance in your response.
PS – Impressive refutation in 15 as well.
GregB, anonymous,whoever,whatever; for starters let me refer back to the original post about misconduct by Janet Napolitano. Bigmarkod makes several accusations about Napolitano’s “targeting” of right-wing extremists, veterans, gun owners and single issue groups, concluding that she should be “fired”. Let me reiterate my first points;
1. This report, actually it was a bulletin meant for law enforcement agencies around the country, was begun BACK in December UNDER the Bush administration.
2. That the National Commander of the VFW, a Vietnam veteran of the U.S. Marine Corp. thought that the report “proved the DHS is doing it’s job”.
3. That “left-wing” groups have been monitored and right-wingers are only upset NOW by government surveillance, they were all for it when Bush was doing it.
And that’s where you came in, you claim that I am “quite off the mark. Nothing has changed. Concerned Americans and conservatives remain consistent, we police our own…” you jump from the subject at hand, Janet Napolitano and right-wingers perceived persecution by the DHS, to liberal leaders being tax-cheats,same-sex marriage, torture,”blind-allegiance” by the left and a myriad of other accusations. While these issues may be debated they CAN NOT be debated all at once. So please, excuse me for trying to stay ON TOPIC, I am NOT trying to divert ANY argument that you may have but merely trying to keep YOU focused.
Let me return to your claim that “you (conservatives) police your own” Here’s an excerpt from the DHS’s Assessment Bulletin (I assume YOU have read it, and if you haven’t, I suggest you do );
“A recent example of the potential violence associated with a rise in rightwing extremism may be found in the shooting deaths of three police officers in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, on 4 April 2009. The alleged gunman’s reaction reportedly was influenced by his racist ideology and belief in antigovernment conspiracy theories related to gun confiscations, citizen detention camps, and a Jewish-controlled “one world government”.
So, if as you claim “we police our own”, again WHERE WERE CONSERVATIVES? I think the answer can be found on Michelle Malkin’s blog or Glenn Beck’s TV show, WHIPPING UP these NUT cases, with PHONEY, PARANOID stories of government boogymen coming to take your guns and lock you up.
Do you think that the government SHOULD NOT monitor extremist groups and or individuals who are attracted to and or recruited by them?
Address this, this is the issue at hand, not Trent Lott or Teddy Kennedy or any other “issues” you may have with the fact that your party LOST and Obama and the Democrats won.
DO NOT ACCUSE ME of not addressing the “substance” of the argument when you are the one throwing everything including the kitchen sink on the wall in order to AVOID ANSWERING for your own declaration.
I understand that you are angry, but don’t try to fit ALL that anger into one post, it just makes you appear even more irrational than you obviously are.
anonster –
[“Anonymous” entry was a stuttering browser – I posted again to keep my real name on my comments. You?]
I guess we’ll call it progress that you moved from calling me names to claiming I am an angry sore-loser.
I will agree that I did broaden the argument a bit but it was not off the mark, it was to support it. Again, I’ll boil it down to its simplest elements for you. (Which reminds me that you completely avoided my simple Obama Obama2 inquiry, but we’ll get to that later).
A Democratic appointee stepped out of line and was not corrected or distanced, but supported. The newly appointed head of homeland security, doesn’t recognize that crossing the border illegally is a crime and focuses not on sleeper cells, illegal aliens (if only the felonious or terrorist sympathizer ones) or radical, anti-American exptremists, but instead on veterans, disenchanted republicans and pro-life advocates. Rather than correct the statement and apologize, you and your ilk compound the insult by justifying it with all sorts of unrelated non-sense. I furthered the point by indicating that typically, this wagon circling includes pointing to someone else’s worse behavior and then provided a multitude of examples where conservatives policed their own and highly parallel instances where the democratic party did not. You don’t deny any of this this because quite simply, its true.
Now lets look at your statement which, respectfully, is awfully weak. At the most basic level we were saying that when a liberal does something disdainful their team doesnt correct it or purge them, they use distraction and rally to support. As a counter argument you point to some basket case who kills people and say “where were the consrvatives’s?” I’m sorry, but what is the connection? Were there conservatives that came out to support the psycho? Or do you mean the psychic wing of the conservatives should have prevented it? Glenn and Michele, whoever are telling conservatives to kill people? Even if that were true, that one of them specifically encouraged this guy, how is that connected to our discussion of excusing and supporting bad behavior after the fact. There is no sentient connection between your position and the argument at hand.
And, we’re still waiting for the moral high-ground in Obama2…
GregB, actually Greg it’s you who has trouble tracking, the original post is about the Bush administration and now the Obama administration’s, DHS alerting law enforcement agencies around the country to watch for possible violence from right-wing extremists and the people they recruit. It is not a COINCIDENCE that the guy in Pittsburgh who killed three cops thought that the Obama administration was coming to take his guns, where did he hear this nonsense? “Conservative” talk radio, that’s where (Lars Larson, Mark Belling, Ann Coulter, Mike Gallagher, G. Gordon Liddy, just to name a few). This same nut also thought the government was planning citizen (FEMA) detention camps, something Glenn Beck kept promoting on his show by saying he couldn’t “debunk” the rumors, until 0n April,7 when he finally did, unfortunately it was too late for those cops in Pittsburgh.
Oh, I know you can’t stop every nut, but right-wing media has been whipping them into a frenzy. They are playing these threatened and disgruntled people like violins. Take yourself for instance, the DHS released an assessment in January about left-wing extremists, DID YOU GO BALLISTIC THEN?
Do you REALLY believe the government should NOT keep an eye on groups and individuals who have the potential for violence?
On Obama2; I’m sorry, I can’t address the paranoid and scary voices in your head, but if you want to debate ACTUAL Obama quotes, bring it on.
GregB, a couple of points that I didn’t have time to address last night;
1. I don’t believe I called you any names, “paranoid fantasies” refers directly to your use of make-believe scenarios to justify torture.
Let me ask you some questions; Do consider George Washington to have been a “weak” leader, for strictly forbidding the torture of British soldiers even though the British tortured and committed atrocities against American POW’S?
Washington’s words pertaining to British prisoners taken in the Battle of Princeton; “Treat them with humanity, and let them have no reason to Complain of our Copying the brutal example of the British Army in their Treatment of our brethren…. Provide everything necessary for them on the road.”
President Lincoln (another weak sister, by your standards) instituted the first formal code of conduct for the humane treatment of prisoners of war in 1863 forbidding ANY form of TORTURE or CRUELTY and that document became the model for the Geneva Conventions.
General Eisenhower ordered EXEMPLARY treatment of German POW’S, ditto for Gen. McArthur during the Korean war.
Were these men APPEASERS?
2. You talk about the moral high ground as if it’s something that can not be separated from military force, all or none, I think that is a straw man, and I believe our fore fathers would agree.
In “1776” historian David Hacket Fischer wrote in “Washington’s Crossing” that “American leaders believed it was not enough to win the war. They also had to win it in a way that was consistent with the values of their society and the principles of their cause. One of their greatest achievements…was to manage the war in a manner that was true to the expanding humanitarian ideals of the American Revolution.”
So if Obama has lost the “moral high ground” for refusing to torture while also using military force, he’s in good company, Washington, Lincoln, Churchill, Eisenhower and McArthur.
Funny it seems that GEORGE W. BUSH is the ODD man out.
3. Let me drop a few names on you; Carl Rove, Fox darling and ignorer of a Congressional Subpoena.
Sen. David Vitter, hypocrite extraordinaire, STILL serving.
Norm Coleman, WHERE is the republican outrage over this SORE-LOSER? Can you IMAGINE if the shoe was on the other foot and Al Franken WASN’T conceding, Fox News would be RABID!
Oliver North, right-wing love-muffin and ADMITTED PERJURER.
I think there are stinkers on both sides, but DON’T pretend that ONLY Democrats have them and that Republicans NEVER ignore wrong doings, that is an argument that you will LOSE EVERY TIME!