Santa Ana’s slogan used to be the “Education City.” Now we just have a lot of graffiti…
The Santa Ana City Council will be voting tonight on the proposed Anti-Graffiti ordinance. Click here to read the agenda item.
The proposed ordinance includes placing lien on the homes of parents of kids who are caught tagging. However, how does making these people poorer help the situation? And how many of these people are renters? Will the liens be placed on landlords’ properties? Ridiculous!
I have said it before and it bears repeating. We already have anti graffiti laws on the books. The city, the police and the taggers ignore these laws. Why will new laws make a difference?
This entire waste of time ignores the real problems that we have in this city – while applying a band aid that will only make things worse.
The ordinance focuses on markers and etching devices. However taggers are now using stickers. This ordinance is already defunct and it hasn’t even been voted on yet!
Will the Usual Suspects’ graffiti vigilante, Thomas Gordon, get his way tonight at the City Council meeting?
You want to know what is REALLY driving this effort? Check out these comments from Usual Suspects over at the graffiti ordinance article posted online by the O.C. Register:
- How about an illegal alien crack down!
- rather than having them pay for their mistakes, we should just kill them so we’ll know for sure it will not happen again
- They should also inforce so many cars per households. My parents cul-de-sac is a joke, it should be considered a safety hazard.
- Why not deport just them, whether they are illegal or not?
- Dear God, get some guts to improve this town and stop worrying about people who don’t even vote.
- STOP TEACHING THEM TO READ AND WRITE! Without knowledge of an alphabet they will be helpless.
- This is a great proposal! See taxpayerrevolution.org to get petitions to stop anchor babies once and for all.
- No worry, though. When Obama finalizes making this a socialist nation the goverment will be able to go in and remove the illegals that are causing this problem.
- are you serious? education do no good for these scumbags..
- Imagine how much crime could be stopped by removing their thumbs instead.
If the City Council approves this ordinance they will be playing right into the Usual Suspects hands…
As you correctly point out Art, this ordinance merely restates existing Penal Code and other existing laws.
The real intent here is to divert the fines and costs from the county and state to the city through the city attorney and provide additional revenue potential via home liens. Nothing is new in the laws, only where the majority of the money goes.
The city police have had a ‘graffiti task force’ for over 20 years. The current community service can be seen any given weekend as crews of arrested taggers work at cleaning graffiti off walls across town.
This may sound great to the politicians and naive, but it is NOT about reducing graffiti. It is about profiting from it.
Where can we get a copy of this madness. We need to do some just in time reading- and show up at tonight’s mtg.– they need to continue this item until enough ppl know about this. That is we need community awareness—there is no
public information officer in this city –is there??
Hush Hush —
there is not enough effort to get the word and city news out in this city. Channel 3 is a joke.
I think its a fantastic idea!
Go after the loser parents, it all starts in the home!
And the comments are just people voicing their fustration over a city that is over 80% illegal Aliens, who are producing gang members,drop outs, and unwed teen mother’s. Americans are sick and tired of illegal Aliens from Mexico, because they are not making a great impression in california. 30% of all welfare is in california over 80% are hispanic!
Start making the parents accountable, that is the key to a more prosperous and safe Santa Ana!
#2
A copy of the ordinance is on the link in the first paragraph above, just below the watertower.
This is most Anti-Latino law I have seen yet.
Does Thomas Gordon really believe the city is going to get anything of value from the parents of these criminals? I don’t think so.
Where they drew on the walls of caves we call it art and preseve the work for future generations!
How about doing something about real crime so I can walk my dog on my own street again here in Santa Ana and leave these young artists alone.
I hope Denis Looi of Koo’s Cafe will speak to this tonight at the meeting. He used to do a great job of explaining the point of view of Santa Ana Youth. I hope he has not sold out to corperate interests.
Michelle Quinn,
Would you care to point us to proof that 80% of the population in Santa Ana is illegal aliens?
And you say (as if you speak for all Americans) that we are “sick and tired of illegal aliens from Mexico”. Did you happen to know that there are very large, very powerful AMERICAN corporate interests (that would be companies run by Americans) who have absolutely no problem importing a low-wage workforce from south of the border?
Sounds like a yes vote to me.
post 5 santa ana is what 90 percent latino . so if their is a crime . what percent of race commits the most crime . this law is good but it wont do nothing most of the parents of these kids dont speak english , dont care , and more n likely illegal . and post 9 art i mean anon if those companies hire them they should be nailed too .
little one,
A subsequent United States Department of Justice report which surveyed homicide statistics between 1974 and 2004 stated that of the crimes surveyed for which the identity of the offender could be determined, 52.1% of the offenders were Black, 45.9% were White, and 2% were Other Races. Of the victims in those same crimes, 51% were White, 46.9% were Black, and 2.1% were Other Races. Whites are more often the offenders of sex-related homicides, workplace killings, and homicide by poison. For example, for workplace killings, 70.5% were White, 26.7% were Black, and 2.8% were Other. The report further noted that, “most murders are intraracial”, with 86% of White murders committed by Whites, and 94% of Black murders committed by Blacks. [11] The document does not provide any details concerning what races or ethnicities are included in the designations “White”, “Black”, or “Other Races”.
From Wikipedia
If art had taken the time to research or even read just the first three pages of this, he would have seen that it does indeed include adhesive labels. ready fire, aim, right art? And how does santa ana planner commisioner sean h mill feel about his pal sal tinajero supporting this racist law? just what have art or sean or any of you done to make santa ana safer, better, nicer?
#13,
Wow – I guess they should pass the ordinance then, right?
Give me a break! This ordinance won’t do a damn thing to improve Santa Ana. What a gigantic waste of everyone’s time.
And don’t bark about making Santa Ana better. You Usual Suspects have RUINED this town by consistently voting for Pulido and his crooked cronies. At least this blog exposes them for what they are. They cannot hide from us…
art you can post all the numbers you wants but r eyes dont lie . every day in the paper what do see /read about . teen shot in s.a . a person killed in s.a and i read the victims name its hernandez, lopez , sanchez . then after they catch the guy who did it . his name is , hernandez, lopez , sanchez ,
Not-so-great-one,
I wrote comment #9 and I’m not Art. Nice try, Sherlock.
And you say (as if you speak for all Americans) that we are “sick and tired of illegal aliens from Mexico”. Did you happen to know that there are very large, very powerful AMERICAN corporate interests (that would be companies run by Americans) who have absolutely no problem importing a low-wage workforce from south of the border?
The only reason why you would want people coming into your country and breaking your laws, is, because some how you make money off illegal Aliens. Plain and Simple!
Thousands of people, Doctors,engineers,ect.. are waiting in line to come to this country.
And yes like i have said before and i will say it again Amercians make alot of money off illegal immigrants through cheap labor,non-profits,healthcare,Government jobs. ie Calworks!
And yes the Majority of Americans are sick and tired of being told they need to pay for an imported poor! Its ridiculous, Its stupid, and it is causing a distain for a culture, that listens to idiot activist’s telling them that they have more rights hear in a foregin nation, while they have none in their own nation MEXICO!
I believe Latino’s are digging a hole, with an ethnocentric belief that the ground is theirs and Americans need to pay for it, by cartering to its past owners.
What Hispanic’s fail to see, they would be moving to the next state, if califonia belonged to Mexico!
Mexicans need to fight for their own country, it has more resources and potential, if the people would hold their Governments responsible!
No one wants to leave their family and friends, and come to a foregin nation, to work!
Your right i was off on my population, so here ya go!
Santa Ana
I should have said more than half! Sorry!
FOREIGN-BORN POPULATION
The 2000 census recorded 179,933 foreign-born residents in Santa Ana. That was a 53.2 percent share of the overall population, which was much higher than for the state (26.2%). The 2000 data showed an increase of 20.4 percent in the immigrant population since 1990, which compared with an increase of 9.5 percent in the native-born population (which includes children born to immigrants) over the same period. That meant that the increase in the immigrant population directly accounted for 68.9 percent of the overall increase for the city.
In 2000, the Census recorded that more than two-fifths (42.1%) of the
zero anon not so great one sounds like little joe . who cares who you are . i sure dont . zzzzzz
Michelle Quinn,
Well you did a fine job not backing up your “80% of the Santa Ana population is illegal immigrants” claim. So we’ll just assume for now you pulled that out of thin air.
And as for a “majority” of Americans being told they need to pay for an imported poor; in a CBS News poll conducted April 22-26, 2009, 65% of Americans said that illegals should either stay and apply for citizenship, or remain in a guest worker program. Only 30% said they should be sent back to their country of origin. 5% were “unsure”.
Now, would you care to explain to us how 30% constitutes a “majority” opinion?
http://www.pollingreport.com/immigration.htm
Michelle Quinn,
None of those population statistics says what percentage of the Santa Ana population is here illegally. You said illegals before…not just “immigrants”.
Try again.
#11, #15, #19. Please! Avail yourself of the closest ESL class you can find.
Its like saying undocumented. Words of play!
Get real please!
most of the population of santa ana exploded in 2000, the start of the boom, most came to work for low wages. Its hard to get a green card, even being a doctor or an engineer.
So please get real, if you know anything about legal immigration to this country, you know its like the post office!
friggin Impossible!
Michelle Quinn,
OK, let’s use the word “undocumented”. Prove to us that 80% of the population of Santa Ana is “undocumented”.
Yes, really, take a ESL class, in SAUSD, it will only take you 5 years, then you will fail all the rest of your classes catching up!!
No great one, your fine, like me you get a little key hyper:)
Please note!
If you have half a brain, you know that you cannot deport, millions of people. But it is also ridiculous to say that you will give million,s a free pass, while thousand’s have been waiting 7 years or more to enter this country legally.
you forgot to mention in your poll, that
over 60% want immigrants to learn English and
over 70% do not want to pay for welfare.
Does this sound like Santa Ana to you!
The point is not to deport, it is Americans do not want welfare recipients and want English as the language, so they dont need to move their kids from their local schools, because teachers are teaching ESL classes instead of English and Math basics.
guess worker program, with the stipulation,NO WELFARE and proficent in English!
This is most Anti-Latino law I have seen yet.
No its called, “responsiblity for your offspring”.
Latino is a race, Mexican is a culture. very few cubans,ect.. live in Santa Ana.
So don’t lump the whole race as the problem crowd!
I know i am tough on the hispanic’s, but, i really think, political correctness has clouded the truth for too long!
yes i do michell . sometimes its gets to the people who hold their noses real high on this site . keep up the good work .
“I know i am tough on the hispanic’s, but, i really think, political correctness has clouded the truth for too long!”
C’mon now. When one is capable of stating, as fact, that Santa Ana is “a city that is over 80% illegal Aliens”, do you REALLY find it surprising that we question your version of the “truth”.
Anon,
please read #18
Again!
Great One,
I must say! i am not bad for a dumb blond!
nite all!
Michelle Quinn,
I did read #18…three times now. And I still don’t see evidence there that 80% of the population of Santa Ana is illegal or undocumented. In fact, none of those statistics say anything about what percentage of the population is illegal or undocumented.
You do understand, that because someone is “foreign-born”, that does not necessarily mean that they are here illegally. You can acknowledge that simple fact, right?
“No great one, your fine, like me you get a little key hyper:)”
#25, if by “key hyper” you mean blithering illiterate ignoramus, then we have something we can agree about.
i did read #18…three times now. And I still don’t see evidence there that 80% of the population of Santa Ana is illegal or undocumented. In fact, none of those statistics say anything about what percentage of the population is illegal or undocumented.
you read it 3 times, did ya miss the top part??
Your right i was off on my population, so here ya go!
Santa Ana
I should have said more than half! Sorry!
You obviously know nothing about legal Immigration to this country or the stipulations.
So i will fill you in:
The Donnelly visa was award like a lotto, in the early 1990’s. To thousands of immigrants all over Europe.
After that it was impossible to get legal status in this country unless you were and are educated, have qualification’s that are hard to find in the US. Ie. PHD in Mathmatics.
2000 Santa Ana started to see a real rise in its population most from Mexico, low wage workers. So that alone tells me that if Santa Ana saw a rise in its population with low wage workers, “THEY DID NOT HAVE A GREEN CARD”, because most likely, I’m just quessing here, that most Construction,landscapers,fast food, nannies,farm workers, don’t have a PHD.
By the way most immigrants waiting on the waiting list are highly educated or need political protection in this country!
Really,” it does not take a brain surgeon”.
Santa Ana is a scantuary City?? Wow i wonder for who??
#25, if by “key hyper” you mean blithering illiterate ignoramus, then we have something we can agree about.
No i think “key hyper” means types fast!
As far as, “ignoramus”, is concerned, its ignorant for you to assume:)
No, i do not agree!
Michelle Quinn,
You know as well as I do that obtaining a Green Card is not the ONLY way to be in this country legally. It has nothing to do with one’s educational level.
But again, to your statistics. Those stats you cited DO NOT say that “more than half” of the Santa Ana population is here illegally. If that’s what you’re suggesting now, you haven’t proven it. because that’s not what those stats say.
And I assume you’re not willing to admit that just because one is “foreign-born”, that means that they’re here illegally?
i see zany looney tunes zenger got out . dont forget your jacket . its the white one that ties in the back .
You know as well as I do that obtaining a Green Card is not the ONLY way to be in this country legally. It has nothing to do with one’s educational level.
Ok, hire a foreign nanny and let me know when she get’s her citizenship!! It takes 5years to apply for Citizenship, after having had legal residents (most call it a GREEN CARD). To apply for a green card. YA KNOW LOOK IT UP!
and then tell me that Education or qualifications don’t matter.
Sorry you don’t have a clue!
And I assume you’re not willing to admit that just because one is “foreign-born”, that means that they’re here illegally?
I am foreign-born and i am one of the lucky ones to become legal in this country, without a PHD.
And yes low-skilled workers foreign-born most likely do not have the legal right to be here. unless they got a lotto visa in the 1990’s. or were spys for the US government!
get a clue, you know as well as i do, that their has been no real solid statitics done on just how many illegal immigrants their are in Santa Ana.
The Govenment does not want to know, because poor and needy is great for the governement,union’s, non-profits,churches,business’s that hire for cheap labor, and your school district!
Really its a joke, common sense is no longer important, political correctness is!
Most Americans don’t care about immigrants whether they are here legally or illegally, we just dont want to pay for them! and that is what is happening in the US, especially in california with over 30% of welfare use. America did not create the poor in Santa Ana, Mexico did. And Mexico needs to feed and cloth its people not Americans.
If Mexicans come here to work, then they are making far more than they would be making in Mexico, but it is not the responisibity of the American Taxpayer to allow Mexico’s poor and their children to become a burden on American Society!
Gang members/taggers are a burden.
ok for sure, good night:)
“get a clue, you know as well as i do, that their has been no real solid statitics done on just how many illegal immigrants their are in Santa Ana.”
Then perhaps you can explain to us what led you to proclaim that 80% of the population of Santa Ana was illegal aliens?
Was it ignorance? Was it bias? Was it something else that led you to make such an ignorant statement?
38 perhaps there are no stats is because they are not allowed to keep them . when you get pulled over your not allowed to ask if your illegal . they wont fill out forms . so its a guess 80 percent probally not . but i would not be shocked if it was around 40 . wich is extremly high .