Is Mission Viejo activist Connie Lee in trouble over the Lance MacLean recall campaign?
We received a tip today from one of our readers, Dan Avery, alleging that a judge has signed a court order and that the Orange County District Attorney’s office has picked up the orginal petitions to recall Mission Viejo City Councilman Lance MacLean, from the Mission Viejo City Clerk.
Our blogger Larry Gilbert is making calls to confirm this. No reports have arisen in local newspapers or blogs.
However, the O.C. Register reported in December that the District Attorney was probing the matter.
“Lake Forest resident David Barron recently said that he had gathered signatures for recall proponents. Under current election laws, a signature-gatherer must be able to vote in the election they are petitioning for, and Barron is a non-resident,” according to the O.C. Register.
Avery is also alleging that recall proponents Connie Lee and Dale Tyler are going to be arrested. Tyler is also a candidate to replace MacLean on the Mission Viejo City Council.
It should be noted that Avery’s wife is apparently serving as the Treasurer for the campaign of Dave Leckness, another candidate to replace MacLean. Leckness is thought to be allied with MacLean.
Gilbert will update this story later if he can corroborate any of this.
Clearly you didn’t check Red County. You guys are playing fast and loose with half facts and shoddy research as usual.
And you sent a guy who was amazingly rude, disrespectful, and boorish at the city council meeting last night to check facts? Are you looking to get sued? His behavior was so demeaning to the notion of democracy and our city that I was completely disgusted by the sight of it. Larry Gilbert owes our city a huge apology. And he applauds Joe Holtzman for using language so vile I can’t repeat it here towards a woman, a mother, who was merely stating her opinion during open comments at the microphone. Thank God the cops swooped in on Holtzman. He’s clearly unbalanced you know.
Oh Thank A LOT Art. My wife read this, found out I have a girlfriend working for Leckness and now I’m on the street.
“No reports have arisen in local newspapers or blogs.”
Is that so, Art? I broke the story this morning.
http://www.redcounty.com/da-gets-court-order-release-maclean-recall-petitions/35412?taxonomy=29
Try to keep up, “Admin.”
Dan,
Oops! Will correct to reflect that you are married.
Dan,
One more thing…I don’t read Red County unless I have to. They are fairly unreadable and boring.
But I know you love those rascally Republicans.
Weird for a guy who is supposed to be a liberal…
Matt,
Then your webmaster needs to fix your tags. When I searched for items on this on Google blogs, your blog post did NOT show up.
And as I told Dan, I don’t read your blog unless I have to.
But we have restored a link to your blog on our blogroll, on our left sidebar. That way it will be easier for Dan Avery to go read your red tripe.
“And as I told Dan, I don’t read your blog unless I have to.”
Yeah. Sure, “Admin”. Which is why you “had” to read Dave Bahnsen and write a typically puerile ad hominem attack on him.
Matthew,
A friend of mine tipped me off to Bahnsen. What a nut! And you have that other nutter Christian Milord too? Good grief! You guys are truly on the right wing fringe.
Folks. I received a call earlier today from Art about this alleged activity.
Sorry but I have higher priorities today than this issue. I spent all day with a friends widow in San Clemente as I am doing his eulogy at our church on Monday.
However, I have contacted both Dale Tyler and Connie Lee. There is nothing going on.
This is a last minute desperate attempt to shift the focus from Lance as we received our election Ballots in today’s mail.
Based on my interaction with Mission Viejo voters over the past few months I am told that they are tired of waiting for this day and many will be voting by mail tonight.
The Red County team and or their readers had months to challenge the petition process but failed to do so.
It’s so nice to see Jubal trying to impact our readers when he speaks so highly of our blog.
Matt. Don’t lower yourself coming across town. It makes you look bad. Frank Ury’s friendship is not worth the eventual price. Ask me. I know from personal experience.
Dan Avery.
Joe Holtzman was using language so vile you can’t repeat it? I sat three feet away from Joe who was reading a fishing magazine while this woman passed his seat. I didn’t hear a peep from him as she walked past him.
Readers. I have been in Mr Avery’s home so I know what he looks like and can pick him out in a police lineup. He wasn’t anywhere in the area where we were sitting last night if he even attended the meeting yet throws hand grenades.
Perhaps he can produce a witness or an audio tape of that allegation. In fact, if I were Joe I might consider taking Dan Avery to task for this charge. Ask Mr. Holtzman about his discussion with Lt. Mike Gavin our chief of Police Services that occured immediately after this episode last night.
Dan Avery. You are picking a fight where you will lose big time. How much money are you and Victoria willing to sacrifice for attorneys to defend Lance MacLean?
Dan No one sent me to city hall last night.
I attended the meeting to challenge proposed additional election information prepared by our city attorney.
Thank you for your kind remarks. I thought we were in agreement not to engage in any personal attacks. What would you call the following Mr. English teacher?
And no, I will not hit the delete key even though it would be an appropriate action.
“And you sent a guy who was amazingly rude, disrespectful, and boorish at the city council meeting last night to check facts? “
Mr. Avery, as usual you incorrect.
I can not state it any clearer !!!
What Mr. Gilbert stated was correct–I was attacked by MacLean supporter last night–it was a set up. Note–I returned to the meeting the female screamer left.
You are wrong and I might remind you of the slander, and liable laws. You will be held accountable.
Matthew,
One more thing – we have software that tells us who reads our blog. According to this software, over the past 90 days you have visited this blog 176 times.
Thanks for reading the Orange Juice!
Larry you fool. I was sitting right down the row from Holtzman and it wasn’t a fishing magazine; it was a two years old OC register and I assume from the page he’s been reading at the last ten council meetings he’s still trying to pick out a used car. Clearly you don’t know me from one of your kids.
And you really didn’t dig very far into this story, but then you never do Larry. And Holtzman said something totally vile to a woman and a mother. I was saddened and shocked and you know as well as I do what it was.
Holtzman go ahead and try to sue me. I never lie and I have nothing what’s so ever to fear from you.
you have software that tells you who reads your blog art? Don’t you mean your isp provider gives you a statistical program and the most you can narrow it down to is an ip? Which in the long run doesn’t tell you anything unless you’re law enforcement and get a warrant and then the provider of the ip has to tell you who it’s assigned to. God even your threats are lame and half-cocked.
Dan:
I suggest you get an eye check up–I was reading the Cabala’s Fly Fishing Catalog. Not only are you misguided but you can’t see either.
So when is your lawyer calling me Joe? I’m looking forward to that exchange.
Dan,
You have been on our site 146 times over the last 90 days.
Our software id’s users by IP and user name.
You and Matt apparently are addicted to reading the Orange Juice!
Art. Dan Avery is hanging over the edge with his comments. During last nights city ocuncil meeting I looked at the magazine Joe was holding with many of the pages bent at the upper corner as if he was marking them for a future reference. It was a fishing magazine. Feel free to contact Big Mark D. who was sitting a few seats away from me in the same aisle behind Joe Holtzman.
Readers. Dan Avery is full of it. If I didn’t hear Joe say anything to the woman as she passed by his seat no one else did either, especially Trish Kelley, who was so upset commenting that public speakers are being intimidated when she accused Joe as well while her chair is 30 feet or so in front of him. Unless there is a hideden microphone in the chamber seats she has an amazing hearing capacity.
This was nothing more than a staged attack on those of us supporting the recall.
Joe had a newspaper at the prior council meeting and he held it in front of his face every time Lance spoke.
Folks. There comes a time when I simply will not permit Dan avery to engage in outright lies. As I am a public figure it is harder for me to take legal action against people like Dan but others might and I would encourage said action.
Don’t push your luck Mr. Avery. The city council meetings are kept on-line and are also available in our library for anyone to see.
Larry, I am impressed that you have let this post run down the path of “Joe was mean, no he wasn’t”. And all your threats, just boring.
Why not really do something about it. Put up or shut up. If Dan has broken some magical Larry Law, then have Joe sue him. Or do it yourself. People know EXACTLY why type of classless blowhard Joe is, and only the likes of you and Connie Lee would think highly of him.
But hey, if the DA is just on some pointless investigation, then back it up. If the recall is delayed or cancelled, then commit to paying back the taxpayers of Mission Viejo. You are such a coward. For months you post how MacLean is gone, but when the DA gets a Judge to agree that more investigation is needed, you deny Connie and Dale. Coward.
#21,
It would appear that the MacLean supporters, all three of them, are all talk no action. Dan Avery is tossing about a lot of allegations, but nothing new has been reported by the newspapers in town.
And the poor schmucks at Red County still aren’t showing up when you search Google blogs.
If all this was legitimate, wouldn’t the Register be reporting it?
It looks like nothing more than desperation…
Hey larry and Joe I’ll make it easy for you to sue me. Check out my latest at my site http://www.sidesix.org/weirdtimes entitled Fear and Loathing In Mission Viejo or you can read it at Salon.com. You’re both named and I’ll be happy to walk into any courtroom and support my words.
Oh and Larry, you’re getting close buddy very very close. I should give you a tip…never go fishing with a Minnesotan…
art there is no way for you to match ip to names. half of the time I accessing your rag from our office in long beach, sometimes from starbucks, explain that one buddy.
Sound like to me that Dan Avery is a total Looney Tunes. My suggestion is to ignore him–remember arguing with the Village Idiot puts you on his same level.
Hello everyone,
As a new resident of Mission Viejo, I came to Orange Juice blog for some insight into the politics here. And what insight: Joe (“As usual you incorrect!”) Holtzman writes like a third-grader who should have been held back a year, and Larry Gilbert’s threats seem to be channelling Don Knots from the old Andy Griffith Show. This is a “public figure”? Larry, dignity first, okay? If you are public, act it; otherwise folks will start mentally removing the “L” from the word, and then where are you?
Dan,
Then you likely appear on the list numerous times, under each IP that you use.
You are even more addicted to this blog than I first thought.
Also, you don’t write for Salon. They host blogs for anyone who is interested. I have one too!
You appear to have a gigantic ego problem, you’re santimonious and you have an awful temper.
Larry, by contrast, is a gentleman. You would do well to learn from his example.
Good Lord what a group melt down.
one question. why are you trying so hard to discredit me? If I was full of it, then you wouldn’t bother. Do you not see how transparent you are? I think Larry is all talk hit the nail on the head. You are afraid to put up or shut up because you know if you sue me, I’ll end up owning all your homes. As I said, I don’t lie. Come on and sue me.
Dan,
Why are you so belligerent and angry?
Is Lance MacLean really worth all this misplaced emotion and drama?
Why can’t you just agree to disagree?
You come off as immature, petty and annoying. Is that really what you are all about?
It seems to me that “Insufferable” is responding to “Belligerent and Angry” remarks from Larry Gilbert. I have been reading his posts and they are disjointed commentaries with a heavy dose of fear mongering. That does not sell me on the “Gentelman” title you so generously gave him Art.
Ok, from here it looks a lot like a “uh huh, nuh uh, you’re mean” argument between a couple of three year olds and one idiot who’s wife found out he has a girlfriend and that little gem is somehow not his own fault. i dont want a ‘try to keep up’ response. what i want and the citizens of MV need is a simple and brief report, preferably sans opinion but one with ALL FACTUAL and CURRENT information to share the pro and con details as to the maclean recall. and for the record, i am not for or against it… yet.