From the immortal Michael Moore, and Vern agrees 100% so argue with me if you want:
If That ‘Mosque’ ISN’T Built, This Is No Longer America
Michael Moore, Sept. 11 2010.
I am opposed to the building of the “mosque” two blocks from Ground Zero.
I want it built on Ground Zero.
Why? Because I believe in an America that protects those who are the victims of hate and prejudice. I believe in an America that says you have the right to worship whatever God you have, wherever you want to worship. And I believe in an America that says to the world that we are a loving and generous people and if a bunch of murderers steal your religion from you and use it as their excuse to kill 3,000 souls, then I want to help you get your religion back. And I want to put it at the spot where it was stolen from you.
There’s been so much that’s been said about this manufactured controversy, I really don’t want to waste any time on this day of remembrance talking about it. But I hate bigotry and I hate liars, and so in case you missed any of the truth that’s been lost in this, let me point out a few facts:
1. I love the Burlington Coat Factory. I’ve gotten some great winter coats there at a very reasonable price. Muslims have been holding their daily prayers there since 2009. No one ever complained about that. This is not going to be a “mosque,” it’s going to be a community center. It will have the same prayer room in it that’s already there. But to even have to assure people that “it’s not going to be mosque” is so offensive, I now wish they would just build a 111-story mosque there. That would be better than the lame and disgusting way the developer has left Ground Zero an empty hole until recently. The remains of over 1,100 people still haven’t been found. That site is a sacred graveyard, and to be building another monument to commerce on it is a sacrilege. Why wasn’t the entire site turned into a memorial peace park? People died there, and many of their remains are still strewn about, all these years later.
2. Guess who has helped the Muslims organize their plans for this community center? The JEWISH COMMUNITY CENTER of Manhattan! Their rabbi has been advising them since the beginning. It’s been a picture-perfect example of the kind of world we all want to live in. Peter Stuyvessant, New York’s “founder,” tried to expel the first Jews who arrived in Manhattan. Then the Dutch said, no, that’s a bit much. So then Stuyvessant said ok, you can stay, but you cannot build a synagogue anywhere in Manhattan. Do your stupid Friday night thing at home. The first Jewish temple was not allowed to be built until 1730. Then there was a revolution, and the founding fathers said this country has to be secular — no religious nuts or state religions. George Washington (inaugurated around the corner from Ground Zero) wanted to make a statement about this his very first year in office, and wrote this to American Jews:
“The citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy — a policy worthy of imitation. …
“It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it were the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights, for, happily, the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens …
“May the children of the stock of Abraham who dwell in this land continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other inhabitants — while every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig tree and there shall be none to make him afraid.”
3. The Imam in charge of this project is the nicest guy you’d ever want to meet. Read about his past here.
4. Around five dozen Muslims died at the World Trade Center on 9/11. Hundreds of members of their families still grieve and suffer. The 19 killers did not care what religion anyone belonged to when they took those lives.
5. I’ve never read a sadder headline in the New York Times than the one on the front page this past Monday: “American Muslims Ask, Will We Ever Belong?” That should make all of us so ashamed that even a single one of our fellow citizens should ever have to worry about if they “belong” here.
6. There is a McDonald’s two blocks from Ground Zero. Trust me, McDonald’s has killed far more people than the terrorists.
7. During an economic depression or a time of war, fascists are extremely skilled at whipping up fear and hate and getting the working class to blame “the other” for their troubles. Lincoln’s enemies told poor Southern whites that he was “a Catholic.” FDR’s opponents said he was Jewish and called him “Jewsevelt.” One in five Americans now believe Obama is a Muslim and 41% of Republicans don’t believe he was born here.
8. Blaming a whole group for the actions of just one of that group is anti-American. Timothy McVeigh was Catholic. Should Oklahoma City prohibit the building of a Catholic Church near the site of the former federal building that McVeigh blew up?
9. Let’s face it, all religions have their whackos. Catholics have O’Reilly, Gingrich, Hannity and Clarence Thomas (in fact all five conservatives who dominate the Supreme Court are Catholic). Protestants have Pat Robertson and too many to list here. The Mormons have Glenn Beck. Jews have Crazy Eddie. But we don’t judge whole religions on just the actions of their whackos. Unless they’re Methodists.
10. If I should ever, God forbid, perish in a terrorist incident, and you or some nutty group uses my death as your justification to attack or discriminate against anyone in my name, I will come back and haunt you worse than Linda Blair marrying Freddy Krueger and moving into your bedroom to spawn Chucky. John Lennon was right when he asked us to imagine a world with “nothing to kill or die for and no religion, too.” I heard Deepak Chopra this week say that “God gave humans the truth, and the devil came and he said, ‘Let’s give it a name and call it religion.’ ” But John Adams said it best when he wrote a sort of letter to the future (which he called “Posterity”): “Posterity! You will never know how much it cost the present Generation to preserve your Freedom! I hope you will make a good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in Heaven that I ever took half the Pains to preserve it.” I’m guessing ol’ John Adams is up there repenting nonstop right now.
Friends, we all have a responsibility NOW to make sure that Muslim community center gets built. Once again, 70% of the country (the same number that initially supported the Iraq War) is on the wrong side and want the “mosque” moved. Enormous pressure has been put on the Imam to stop his project. We have to turn this thing around. Are we going to let the bullies and thugs win another one? Aren’t you fed up by now? When would be a good time to take our country back from the haters?
I say right now. Let’s each of us make a statement by donating to the building of this community center! It’s a nonprofit, tax-exempt organization and you can donate a dollar or ten dollars (or more) right now through a secure pay pal account by clicking here. I will personally match the first $10,000 raised (forward your PayPal receipt to webguy@michaelmoore.com). If each one of you reading this blog/email donated just a couple of dollars, that would give the center over $6 million, more than what Donald Trump has offered to buy the Imam out. C’mon everyone, let’s pitch in and help those who are being debased for simply wanting to do something good. We could all make a huge statement of love on this solemn day.
I lost a co-worker on 9/11. I write this today in his memory.
“The man who speaks of the enemy / Is the enemy himself.” — Bertolt Brecht
It is America….there is a big difference in a religion and a cult!
Is this “michael moore” the same person who said in a t.v. interview” the obama administration have the worst of the democratic party governing this country”?.
I suggest you send your money to the fund helping the 9/11 victims. I would be wary to send the money to a muslim organization, It may just come back to shoot you in the ass – literarily!
Yes that would be the nut!
*Even a broken clock is right twice a day…..this is one of the times that it isn’t working…for
Vern or for Mr. Moore! Just in case this was actually written by someone else….you are totally
off the rails. This a good example why Michael Moore was not the Director of “Religulous”…
and Bill Maher was! Can’t wait to see Michael Moore on Larry King….to talk about how bad
Capitalism is! Remember: Michael Moore – Director of “Capitalism – a Love Story”!
Mr. Moore should stay doing things about Doctors and Hedge Fund Traders! Not Rug Traders!
Michelle Quinn,
Is a religion that believes this also a cult?
Jonah is miraculously saved by being swallowed by a large fish specially prepared by God where he spent three days and three nights (Jonah 1:17).
Our grand old atheist forefather Tom Paine joked that it would have been more of a miracle if Jonah had swallowed the whale.
The bible has all sort’s of whacky dark age speech in it. The difference is Christians are not stoning other Christians for crimes against chastity!
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Whacky dark age speech? LOL. What the hell is that? Are you saying the Old Testament was written in the Dark Ages? Do you even know what you’re talking about? Are you honestly going to sit there and tell me that there are no Christians who believe the Jonah story literally happened?
And as for oppression based on sexual sin, Christians have far more subtle means of addressing that than stoning.
Whacky dark age speech? LOL. What the hell is that?
MQ says:
If you have read anything about the dark ages (beginning of the churches rule) then you would know that stoning, hanging, murder, burning was common place. So as a metaphor of speech that is common place in both the bible and Quran is to me “whacky dark age speech.”
Unlike you being a public school teacher, I tend to read outside the liberal box!
“And as for oppression based on sexual sin, Christians have far more subtle means of addressing that than stoning.”
Subtle is ok, stoning to death is NOT!
Today we should not be hearing about young girls being hanged for crimes against chastity or being slain by their own family as honor killings. But it happens way to often. But YOU are more concerned about the churches SUBTLE approach!
I swear I truly hope you are not teaching kids and if you are try not to bring your own views into the class room!
O” right are you not the union head?
“Subtle is ok, stoning to death is NOT! ”
Wherein Quinn reveals herself to be a liberal moral relativist…when it’s convenient for her.
If you thought that of me, think again!
Don’t worry Quinn, lots of conservatives are liberal moral relativists when it’s convenient for them…you’re in good company.
How important is it to dispel this false allegation? Simply put, moral relativism is the Religious Right’s gatekeeper. It defines Liberals and more importantly, what we have to say, as being immoral. For those who buy into the premise, it cuts off the conversation even before it begins. It allows the Religious Right and their friends the luxury of not having to debate the merits of their arguments. It essentially slams the door shut on what we have to say.
Many of us may simply shrug our shoulders and say that the average American does not understand the concept of moral relativism. But that is incorrect. When they use the term, they make certain to define its meaning. Just think about the order of Dobson’s statement on Larry King Live:
First the accusation: “…those, again, on the more liberal end of the spectrum are often those who have no value system.”
In other words, Liberals have no morality.
Next comes the illustrated example: “…or at least they say there is no moral and immoral, there is no right or wrong.”
Perhaps worse, Liberals do not distinguish between good and evil.
And finally, the definition: “It’s moral relativism.”
Dobson cleverly spoon-fed the audience the pabulum he wanted them to swallow. And it is a lie that tars all Liberals: secular, religious or otherwise.
MQ says:
I KNOW the difference between right and wrong – It is not something I need to think about… Liberals are inflicted with this battle!
Why are you simpletons still engaging Michell Malquinn?
Because she speaks for thousands of mean-spirited retards, that’s why. On principle, her ravings can’t go unanswered so we take turns dealing with them. You never know what impressionable people will be reading.
Why do we approve her comments? Do you remember the mean punky puppet RANDY on Peewee’s Playhouse who would always come down from the ceiling to say something malicious? She and other commenters are like that. But if we don’t hear from them, that means they’re outside the Playhouse somewhere causing real trouble.