I promised myself that I would refrain from making a post on the Tucson tragedy.
So much for restraint.
That bastion of integrity and wholesomeness known as Irvine Mayor Pro Tem/Great Park Executive Board member Beth Krom spouted off in a letter to the editor in the Register this past week lecturing us on decency and civility. She goes to link the heated rheotric to this weekend’s murders in Tucson.
“Whether the shooter in Saturday’s assault was mentally unstable is not the central question. Removing him from the street will not address the underlying interests of those who have driven the conflict and chaos that has made America more fractured over the past few years. When we allow political pundits who rely on ignorance and disinformation to gain credibility by virtue of their media overexposure we should not act surprised when their words incite hatred and aggression.”
It doesn’t surprise me that Beth Krom would make that ridiculous link and exploit this tragedy to in order to make a political statement. After all, this is the same woman that exploited her own son’s death in a campaign fundrasing letter when she ran for Congress this past year. So why would anyone expect anything less from her and the Great Park/Irvine PR machine of Boss Agran?
Having voluntarily shut myself off from the news cycle this past week, it doesn’t take an degree from the Columbia School of Journalism to offer a summary of what is being reported. It’s Glenn Beck fault, it’s Sarah Palin’s fault, it’s Barack Obama’s fault, it’s Lady Gaga’s fault. I really can’t stand Sponge Bob, can we blame him too? How about Dog the Bounty Hunter?
What I find objectionable is that both liberals and conservatives play this theatrical zero sum game of blaming each other while our freedoms and liberties are being eroded before our very eyes. Just today, a story was released that the California Supreme Court said it was OK for law enforcement to search a person’s cell phone messages without a warrant. Where’s the outrage, people? Obviously no where to be found. Instead, we’d rather talk about the rhetoric of Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh or Mike Malloy or Rachel Maddow than this erosion of civil liberties and freedoms. It is the path of least resistance that we are so apt to take.
We are a society that is hell bent on keeping the American Empire’s war machine fueled while we kill off people that get in the way of our path and agendas. Look at the Empires of yore. The Roman Empire, the British Empire, the Ottoman Empire, the Ming Dynasty. All of these empires collapsed and helped bankrupt their people in the process. Oh yes, these countries did manage to survive but there was a huge social cost that they paid for their expansionist and interventionist mindset in their own homeland.
While liberals and conservatives alike lament over the killing of a child and accuse one another of “blood libel” because of their inane rhetoric, we continue to avoid engaging in an honest dialogue about the proverbial elephants in the room. Elephants like the continued stigma of mental illness and what we can do to better understand the signs and symptoms of it. Contrary to popular belief, mental illness knows no political party or philosophy. It can strike a person like Patrick Kennedy or Oliver North without warning. No, let’s talk about that later because a child died! And how many children and adults killed themselves because they did not get a proper diagnosis for mental illness? Where are your tears for these people? I’m sure Obamacare or single payer healthcare will cure all of that, right?
Or how about the piss poor treatment of other people in our own homeland that we have left for dead in places like Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota? You want to talk about your virtue and civility. Where is your virtue and civility when you have helped rob these people of their culture, dignity and way of life and left them for dead in poverty and squalor? People there are slowly dying in a wasteland that our own government created so we can be the biggest badass on the block. Where are the crocodile tears for the natives, the ones we eminent domained out of their rightful home?
Oh, nevermind them. They’re just savages. Somewhere in the picture, the Not Me ghost from the Family Circus comic strip rears its ugly head as these so called compassionate liberals and conservatives stick their heads in the sand and ignore another elephant in the room. We’ll just blame the previous generation and hope that this problem will go away.
You think the Europeans would have learned something from the Native Americans before they eradicated their culture, religion and livliehood. Caring for the land and showing empathy for one another without being coerced to do so. In the worldviews of the tolerant Anonster and his knee-jerk apologists for our government (with a notable exception of Vern, Duane and Gabirel), we’ll just throw a few crumbs of government cheese, a bottle of Jack Daniels and processed foodstuffs from the USDA at places like Pine Ridge Indian Reservation so that these whining victims will shut up and remain thankful to their reservation masters for the good that our guv’ment does. We’ll just pull something from Salon, Slate or National Review to show you how good we are!
In their minds, our government has all of the answers and letting people become independent, self reliant and self sufficient would be abominable idea. All we have to do is offer a pathetic “sorry” for our past misdeeds so we can show that we care and we’ll all hold hands with Joker like smiles singing “It’s a Small World.” And just like that, the squalor and devastation will magically disappear from places like Pine Ridge and mental illness will be eradicated forever because we will all comply with the mob mindset of the day. That might happen if you believed that the Lucky Charms mascot was real.
And they have the gall to call me a dreamer? Trust the government or link me as an accomplice to murder? If I’m not being nice, I’m being disrespectful to the death of a child? As a parent of a 9 year old, I am appalled when politicians use children, be it their own or someone else’s, for their own selfish gain and agenda. It may not be the actual act of murder, but is certainly not an excusable act. But hey, let’s all be nice here! We don’t want a pandemic of murders here in America.
“Oh we can change government from the inside, don’t you know,” the compliant apologists say. Let’s have a candlelight vigil and show the world how peaceful and tolerant we are! Or if you don’t like it, SHUT UP!!!!!! Frankly, I don’t give a rat’s ass if you agree with me. I’d rather be around a bunch of people that disagreed with me and had some passionate beliefs rather than around a bunch of know nothings that nod their heads in agreement for no reason whatsoever.
Maybe Malcolm X was right. All of this finger pointing and the hysterical theatrics of feigned empathy (“I care more than you. Nyahhh!!!!”) is another example of the chickens coming home to roost.
Where the hell is Hirota when you need him?
“And they have the gall to call me a dreamer?”
A whiner would be a more fitting description.
What a mishmash of drivel, bottom line, it’s all about Guy Fawkes and why everything isn’t done his way. Waaaaah!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, Guy…
Number one, your insistence on painting liberals and conservatives with the same brush – I know it gives you a bracing feeling of independence and superiority, but it sends you way off track. It’s us liberals who care about the mentally ill and other people Quinn likes to mock as “vulnerable.” I get the sense you also care. Then you should be joining us to at least help Obamacare happen; even better with a good public option so it’s more affordable for all of us; even best, SINGLE PAYER. The laissez-faire for-profit system you “libertarians” want to keep is what keeps guys like Loughner untreated. Like I’ve said for a while, libertarianism is a philosophy for teenagers and dupes.
Number two, and this is more in agreement with you. everytime a tragedy like this happens it seems like the natural tendency for this nation is to take away more individual rights, give the government more authority. Our dear Glennzilla described that this week as the hopeless quest for “absolute security.”
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/01/12/galston/index.html
Glenn was reacting to a recent Tucson-reacting column from Clintonista William Galston calling for it to be much easier to involuntarily confine the mentally ill – supposedly that would have helped prevent this bloodbath. Glenn of course rips Glaston several new ones. But there’s a huge distance between the urge of SOME liberals and conservatives to take away people’s liberties that way, and the overall project of liberals to make health care, including mental health care, AVAILABLE. And again, you should be with us liberals.
Number three: What’s with this American Indian stuff? Starting with the “featured image.” I don’t think it fits with the rest of this post of yours. I realize you are working on a series of Native American posts, and trying to set up a speaking gig for Russell Means, but I would have advised you to keep it out of this particular post, it’s distracting and I think irrelevant.
But looking at your comments below, I see that ship has sailed………….
” And how many children and adults killed themselves because they did not get a proper diagnosis for mental illness? ”
How do you propose that they get that “proper diagnosis” and then PAY for that treatment, through a health provider/insurance, a Native American shaman/trade beads or by Fawkes magic?
After reading this jumbled mess, it’s apparent that Fawkes is either unaware how our country works or he is totally delusional (in which case, I recommend a sweat lodge).
Good governance doesn’t happen because someone throws a tantrum or waves a magic wand, it takes hard work.
Congress worked for well over a year on Health Care reform, holding scores of meetings, town halls and 25 straight days of debate, it barely passed, it has been challenged in court and republicans are still threatening to repeal it. And even this water downed, insurance company friendly bill has resulted in right-wing hysteria and many, many democratic congress members being threatened and harassed because of their vote.
Is it a perfect bill? Not by a long shot. Is it better than nothing? Yes.
Can Fawkes propose a better bill (that will pass congress) or propose some other workable solution that will provide affordable healthcare for 310 million people? Cue the embarrassing diatribe against Dan Chmielewski.
On behalf of the Anishinaabe people (aka Ojibwe or Chippewa to the zhaagnaash), Boozhoo Anonster.
For a “liberal” you sure are the epitome of racial tolerance and compassion. The ignorance and arrogance of you zhaagnaash is not surprising in the least. It is typical of most “liberal” zhaagnaash that I know including the pompous blowhard Dan Chmielewski (I said most, Vern). Which probably chaps your hide anyway because “liberals” can’t be bigots or ignorant racists, can they? Your ignorance is so transparent, you even assumed from reading my writings that I must be white.
It’s not that I am ignorant of how your zhaagnaash government works. I know how it works. My Anishinaabe/Ojibwe brothers and many members of the other indigineous tribes that I know who have been eminent domained to government created reservations know how your zhaagnaash government works. Two words: It doesn’t. Your expansionist doctrine is based on a culture of war, greed, death, disease and oppression. The zhaagnaash have waged war upon other sovereign nations and upon your own people through the curtailing of freedoms and the elimination of other cultures. All of it done on the name of “assimilation.” In short, your government is unsustainable and is doomed to fail like every major Eur-Asian empire before it.
It may be laughable to you, but thanks to zhaagnaash government that you praise and laud, you have eradicated an entire culture and livlihood of a people that were here long before your ancestors decided to trespass and place your carbon footprints on the land we consider as sacred ground. Our sovereignty, our culutre and our religion were outlawed by the likes of your zhaagnaash brothers. A people you love to laud and praise while deriding us as whiners. After all, we were here before you.
I have been in sweat lodges. It’s really a very spiritual experience. You should try it sometime. It might change your outlook of our people and our culture which you seem to love to deride. You can’t help it though, because it is part of the genetic makeup of the zhaagnaash that you love and worship.
Don’t knock Native medicinal solutions until you have actually tried them. Which I assume you haven’t based upon your paranoid and hyperbolic writings. The remedies we have are a hell of a lot better than the mudjimushkeeki the zhaagnaash have to offer. Virtaully no side effects. I will give you props on trying to legalize medical marijuana, but us Natives have known about the mamakajiwin longer than you. And we didn’t need to create a DEA to keep us the mamakajwin from our people.
I can propose something better than you zhaagnaash. Break up the zhaagnaash empire that is known as the United States of America into smaller sovereign confederations and cooperative voluntaryist societies. Your country is so big, you cannnot keep a treaty. If you think I am lying, I will go to the factual machine of the Internet that you love to refer to and pull the broken treaties up one by one.
Gigawabamin Nagutch
On second thought, why should I be cordial with a bad seed of zhaagnaash like Anonster? The zhaagnaash thief that calls the Anishinaabe whiners.
Anonster:
Niboowin to you
Ooooh smack, injun insults.
Yeah,yeah,yeah Fawkes, get real, if you want to be taken seriously, stop fighting a war that was lost 200 years ago, but thanks for the big belly laughs.
“Your ignorance is so transparent, you even assumed from reading my writings that I must be white.”
No, I gleaned from your writings that you don’t know shit, even if you are an indian living on the Big Reservation called Irvine.
“Break up the zhaagnaash empire that is known as the United States of America into smaller sovereign confederations and cooperative voluntaryist societies.”
Try setting that up in New York City, Chicago or LA.
You go ahead and laugh. You zhaagnaash are experts at killing people. The cities of New York, Chicago and LA are proof of your crumbling empire and expansion of war and a police state. And the master planned community of Irvine will eventually fall among the others.
Actually, we Anishinaabe already laughing at you because we weren’t the ones that waged this war. Your zhaagnaash did and now you are waging it on yourselves in places like Tucson. And now you call for “civil discourse” amongst your people because of the niboowin of a 9 year child? When in fact, it is the hypocritical zhaagnaash that have niboowin as a part of their makeup and culture? Yet, you shed nary a tear when this event is happening on reserverations across the country and you eliminated a culture and people with your zhaagnaash ways. Not by gunshots, but by the policies of the zhaagnaash government that you praise.
If your greed and arrogance didn’t get in the way, maybe you might learn something from us Natives on how to respect and protect this land that you polluted and turned into a cesspool.
Niboowin to you, your family and your children.
You know Fawkes, if heritage is all that matters, why don’t you take your pompous faux Chippewa ass back to Ohio, Wisconsin, Canada or where ever your people are from, because you sure as hell have no business or say here in California (otherwise you’d be a rich casino indian).
Fawkes,
What is the difference between you and a white supremacist?
Do expect us all to genuflect at your feet because you’ve got some Native American blood?
Do you expect me to cut your crazy, unrealistic ideas some slack because of your DNA?
Face it bub, you’re living the same “zhaagnaash” life the rest of us are, driving the same freeways,using the same sewer systems and wrapping your food in the same poisonous plastic. In fact you live in the ultimate
“zhaagnaash” city, Irvine, with its pre-planned perfection.
OOOF.
Call up some unpretentious self-irony, dude…
“Congress worked for well over a year on Health Care reform, holding scores of meetings, town halls and 25 straight days of debate, it barely passed, it has been challenged in court and republicans are still threatening to repeal it. And even this water downed, insurance company friendly bill has resulted in right-wing hysteria and many, many democratic congress members being threatened and harassed because of their vote.”
MQ says:
You do think that the mentally ill will be care for better if we have the government completely running the system!
I honestly do not believe you have ever been out of this country! The mentally ill in countries that have socialized medicine are put through a system that has not the resources or will to care for them! In Europe, care for the mentally disabled is AWFUL! ADD, Autism, mental retardation is nothing but a burden under a government system!
If you don’t believe me go see for yourself, I know it too be true because I have worked with the mentally ill in Ireland and Europe and the conditions are unbelievable!
So while there is inadequate care here the care under government would be like a state run hospital!
Have you ever been to a state run hospital?
State run hospitals = mudjimushkeeki
You are correct again MQ!
All socialist giants like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc. build their genocide concept on mentally retarded. Retards, were the first subject to euthanasia with over 75% public support.
As matter of fact every society including animal kingdom kills their cripples.
Here in California, we should start with democrats, progressives, environmentalists, bolhseviks and similarly mentally ill and put them to sleep!
Here are some examples of the USA socialists agenda: Walter E. Fernald State School
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_E._Fernald_State_School
There are many of such atrocities committed against the USA retards by socialists and democrat Jewish doctors.
So if one retard revenge these atrocities we should not be surprised.
Guy,
I always like to acknowledge common ground with my antagonists on here on the rare occasion it materializes because I’m not about the hateful rhetoric (ok, I couldn’t resist). And while you lost me after the first few paragraphs, I commend you for calling out Krom on her tasteless rant that the Register printed, for no other reason I suspect than awaiting the avalanche of negative responses it could print in the following days. I also agree that there are those on both sides of the aisle (says a crazy right wind nutcase) that are guilty of losing focus on the real issues in times of tragedies like what recently happened in Arizona to exploit their own agenda (see John Kerry and Bernie Sanders in this instance). However, it is obvious that foaming-at-the-mouth liberals are bent on conservative talk radio, the Tea Party, and Sarah Palin to the point of lunacy. Finally, I agree that the most important thing in this case is to remember those who were senselessly murdered and wounded by a madman. For the lost, I pray for their families. For the wounded, I pray for a quick recovery.
GF: You have some salient points. Calling for civility in rhetoric is nice. Civility in behavior is a whole ‘nother bidness!
Keep googling about what the Subcomandante Vern’s socialistic, progressive ilk is capable of:
Dark Chapter In Medical History
Vicki Mabrey On Experiments Done On Institutionalized Children
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/09/60II/main672701.shtml
Keep in mind that the atrocities committed today on children will bee reported as a Dark Chapter In Medical History tomorrow.
It is ongoing socialistic and Obama agenda to torture children!
I was just a kid in the middle of it! http://suncanaa.com/cps
Keep reading about evil socialists who are daily kidnapping children and do drug experiments on them and then killing them.
All done by Democrats and Socialists.