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Being life long animal lovers, virtually every breed, brand or type of dog, cat, bird or even field mouse can be adorable and sweet. There is little doubt that when we take out a fly, spider or moth on our window in a plastic bag and allow him or her to go free after we have closed the screen door….their is a feeling of relief. Glad we saved another specie for another day. We walk around snails that cross our path by our garden. We take drone bees, pick them up in a couple of tissues and dump them unceremoniously over the side of our deck. When we see garden spiders, wasps and other possible harmful species…..we even take them with a wet paper towel and dump them over the side of the deck too! We want everything to live! Someone might even accuse us of tending toward Hindu beliefs, even though we are Lutherans. Let’s just say we believe strongly in the sanctity of life!
Having stated on firm position on “Life as we know it”, we do have our exceptions. Let’s start with a very famous movie with Dee Wallace called “Cujo”. This was a simple story of a very lovable country dog ….that is bitten by a rabid squirrel and turns into a killer. This is an exciting cautionary tale of what can happen in life, cannot always be scripted. Your dearest pet puppy can indeed turn into a “Cur Dog” quite capable of killing or injuring you or a member of your family or even a neighbor, friend or relative. It took a tremendous effort by the “Cujo Mom” – Dee Wallace character…..to save herself and her family.
When dumb animals become infected with rabies or other infirmities……they can become deadly. They do not have to be a poisonous snake, spider or animal to put someone in danger of life and limb. Sadly, even the most caring and loving animal lover has to take action when serious things happen. Cougars, Bears and other wild animals that may come into your neighborhood – which seems to be happening more and more lately…..need professional Animal Control and Park Rangers to deal with. Finding two bears in your swimming pool or garage refrigerator aren’t normally expected occasions. What would one do if those animals were to turn on you or a family member and you had no time to call for the Professionals? They call this “Self Defense” and unless it is possible to flee to safety, it leaves any responsible human being with a choice. Protect yourself or possibly perish in the process.
The Aurora Cineplex 6 shooting brings to mind all manner of thoughts regarding “Self Defense”, about “Terror”, about those amongst us that go off the rails for whatever purpose and kills with impunity. There is little doubt that the Aurora Shooter was and is a Terrorist. In addition to causing mass mayhem and carnage beyond the pale – he created a deadly Booby-Trapped residence which solely designed to kill, maime or destroy anyone that came upon that path. One must conclude that anyone doing such a despicable set of acts – has either gone over the edge of reality or is simply a “Cur Dog” of society, which come along from time to time. The Ted Bundy’s, the Jeffrey Dahmer’s, The Son of Sam, The Ted Kasinki’s – Uni-Bomber and so many more. The wake of their diabolical acts creates years and years of pain and infirmity for those that become the victims. Someone went to see the Opening Night of the Batman movie in Aurora, Colorado with a great expectation of excitement and fun in mind. What they found was shear terror and the worst nightmare of their lives. A nightmare which will continue for many of those that lived and for the family and friends and society of those that died and left us all – less than!
It didn’t take long after this terror for folks with various agenda’s to come out of the darkness and demand further restrictions on firearms. The shock, horror and terror for all of us that have been watching this situation has created a fertile environment for painful attacks by political opportunists on anyone that doesn’t demand that the terrible pain – immediately stop. Believing that laws can stop a “Cur Dog Killer” is not only bad public policy, but very bad realistic thinking. They used to say that “Bleeding Heart Liberals” could put on a happy face in a Prisoner of War Camp! Believing that no one is bad…..is a terrible mistake which in fact costs lives through their stupidity. Mayor Michael Bloomberg, the self-consumed Liberal Republican in charge of New York City has been among the first to cast accusations against millions of law abiding gun owners in America – because he has found a “poster boy of hate”.
There are always a list of “Monday Morning Quarterbacking” that occurs “after the fact”. In some cases, corrective action is required. In some cases new regulations and laws can make a difference – especially when it comes to environmental issues. The Exxon Valdes, The BP Gulf Oil Disaster, Current lack of Regulations on Banks and even Oil Fracking procedures. We stand unconvinced that a “Lone Gunman” being regulated by more laws would halt any of these issues without further incidents.
Terrorists will occur on our soil. Domestic Terrorists will occur on our soil. “Cur Dog Personalities” will occur on our soil. Protecting our society will require the great heroism that was exemplified for all to see in Theater’s 8 & 9 at Cineplex 6, in Aurora, Colorado on that Friday – Midnight showing of Batman – Rise!
Crime will continue to occur in society. There will be poor, there will be cruel and mean people that have no social responsibility for their fellowman, there will be rich that take advantage of the poor, there will be many doing wrong in our society and we will not be able to solve all of our problems without great effort.One thing is surely true – When we find a “Cur Dog” in our midst……..we need to identify it and take immediate action. These people should not be given a fair shake. They have aborgated their responsibility to society and in our opinion do not deserve anything but a speedy and abbreviated resolution by the justice system.
The Social Contract established by Jean Jacques Rosseau requires and do not include: Terrorists, Cur Dogs or Gun Control. It simply requires that we don’t not go beyond the bounds of the civilization that we reside in – where our friends, families, neighbors and associates can believe that we all have respect for each other and the other’s safety. A simple concept which agrees that all our lives are just as important and necessary – no matter what their opinion!
“These people should not be given a fair shake”
Nor should they be given guns. It’s far too easy to get a gun…and it’s far too easy for the “cur dogs” in our midst to get them.
If you believe that it was far too easy for this nut to acquire guns, and you truly believe that “in some cases new laws and regulations can make a difference…” then get behind laws that make it harder to get a gun. There is absolutely nothing about those laws that conflicts with the Second Amendment.
*Anon – Obviously, you do not live in the ghetto, with bars on your windows. Where gangs drive by and shot your babies, kids or dogs. Get out of your ivory tower and understand that this “nutcase” had no record and in fact was one of your projected 1% that was going to be “something” when he grew up.
As a deranged mad man – obviously he shouldn’t have had a firearm, a car, a bike, a bus ticket….or anything else.
Plainly, you would want to take our guns away – so the JEH couldn’t get one without going to his buddies house – where his dad was a gun collector. Get with the program, are you asking for a complete ban on all firearms in America? If you are….Good luck with that…….
Additionally, if you really feel that way….give your buddy Bloomberg a call and maybe he will let you move in with him and his cadry of NYC and NY State Police who protects his abode!
Why is everything always all or nothing with you people? Asking for reasonable gun regulations doesn’t mean a person wants to take away all your guns. Please, enough with the straw man arguments. Stop being silly.
But can you explain to me, in the world we live in, why a person who wants a gun should not undergo a serious, in-person psychological evaluation? Tell us all why that would be such an onerous step…why that would just be too much to ask.
Ronananna, I agree that background checks would not have stopped this individual (though maybe something related to an individual buying 6000 rounds of ammunition might.) Right now, so far as gun control is concerned, I’m with those who are willing to focus entirely on the AR-15. Why should individuals be allowed to purchase an only slightly pared down M16? Take that away, in this event, and maybe even he doesn’t get shot he does get tackled.
Right. And there’s nothing in the Second Amendment, or in the Supreme Court ruling, that says Congress cannot regulate the KINDS of guns people can own. But try to take away someone’s AR-15 and that, of course, means that you want to take away ALL their guns. If the paranoia were any more obvious, it would be laughable.
A question I often ask the gun nuts…explain to me how this mass murder, or Columbine, or Virginia Tech, etc. etc., could have happened with a guy wielding a knife? People DO kill people, and guns (in particular semi-automatic weapons) help them do it MUCH more efficiently.
If someone wants to do something horrible like kill a bunch of people or even one. There really isn’t any way to stop them unless they announce their intentions ahead of time. I am not pro-gun.I don’t like guns. My kid was not allowed to have a toy gun growing up. But I agree, there are some people who are crazy and no matter what they will find a way to hurt as many people as they can, if that is what they intend to do.
*Anon- Right now they are talking about doing Drug Testing before you are able to get a firearm. Sounds good to us….as long as every elected and bureaucrat has to pass the same muster. Let’s drug test every truck driver, in fact lets drug test every
driver in America. That seems reasonable to us.
As far as psychological evaluation is concerned: Guess that means no Scientologist on the planet will have a firearm or a drivers license….eh? Yep, then we support psychological evaluation for every driver in America, those hooked on prescription drugs and those that are just screwed up from bad parents.
Extremes…all or nothing? Yep, fairness is like that. And why would any 8 year old need a Bic Lighter? Sounds pretty abrerrant behavior to us…..especially on the 4th of July….
When someone is driving crazy…do the right thing….make the call.
No, rules do not stop bad behavior. People do!
You guys are ridiculous. Can’t even have a debate with you because you ramble so incoherently. I hope YOU don’t have any guns.
Winships, be serious. You would never pass the drug test.
Or the Psych test.
“Anon – Obviously, you do not live in the ghetto, with bars on your windows. Where gangs drive by and shot your babies, kids or dogs. Get out of your ivory tower.”
I’m sure the Winships live in the ghetto section of Corona del Mar….but the bars on your windows were put there to keep you from escaping the facility.
Ron, judging from your posts, you wouldn’t pass the straight shooter or sharp shooter test.
*Sorry……… fired Expert M-14 actually….
The M-14 hasn’t been issued for over 40 years.
Like I said today, you wouldn’t qualify as a sharp shooter.
*You evidently know nothing about markmanship. The pee wee guns they offer today…even girls can shoot Expert with. Ask around….we do have a boy and girl
military,…you know? Or can you tell us all about your years of military service and the various equipment you have qualified with? M-60, M-79, .45 Pistol perhaps? Yours truly has qualified with all of these and just in case you think old guys can’t shoot…try R Lee Ermey…..for a Marine….he ain’t that bad either!
The clown in Aurora couldn’t even hold his AR-15 up long enough to not cause a jam.
He never read the info sheet about not using extended mags that were not manufactured by the manufacturer of the firearm. Even the Thompson which we fired consistantly…..never suggested using the 50 round drum. The taller 30 round mags were very good and the 20 round mags are greatly preferred. The weanies that are afraid of extended magazines know nothing about open or closed bolt operations of semi-auto firearms.
So there you go….you are now a Expert. Go out there and try and hit something!
Five falling plates in 2.4 seconds at 25 yards and we will be impressed. Just let us
know when we can come out and watch true marksmanship in action.
This takes the cake for the most offensive post that I’ve read on this blog, and that’s saying something.
What kind of an anal sphincter would offer up a critique of how a mass murderer could have killed more people if he had only read the instruction sheet for the weapon.
Yeah, listen to Ron Winship and he can tell you how to murder and maim more men, women and children with your militarized weaponry.
And the drum that the murderer had attached held 100 rounds, not 50 you asshole.
I’m sure that your compassionate and thoughtful post really added to the victim’s families grieving process. What would you have posted if it was your son or daughter or grandkid? Would you be calling him a weenie?
You’re an effin piece of work!
Why not ban the make and model of automobile the shooter used to drive to the theater?
@30,000 deaths per year attributable to guns.
Take away @15,700 suicides and @1800 gun deaths by cop in the performance of their duty.
That leaves @12,500 gun murders per year, still a pretty big number of deaths.
Jesse Jackson made an important point about guns and America. Paraphrase: more people died in America of gun shooting than the war in Afghanistan. And it’s true.
But the lower count of deaths in Afghanistan is due to the fact Americans are armed and use guns for self-defense, as the Americans here in the USA are unarmed victims being denied one of the basic rights, the right to self-defense.
Generalities. Always with the generalities.
You are NOT being denied the right to own a gun and defend yourself. But where you clearly don’t want the debate to go is the subject of WHAT KIND of gun a person should be allowed to own.
Any thoughts on that?
“the subject of WHAT KIND of gun a person should be allowed to own.”
ok lets say the government can say what kind of gun you are allowed to own, does that also mean that everyone will be required to own and carry that gun?
What is the def of “SHOULD” may carry or must carry?
Right. I’m saying that the government should pick just one gun and that’s the only one people can own.
Dope.
Do you think that people should be able to own guns like, say, this one and others like it? If you do, then we disagree about the kinds of guns people should be allowed to own.
I think that’s stated clearly enough even for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15
That might make sense if he had driven a vehicle qualitatively different from others, in a way that substantially facilitated his ability to commit the crime. Not likely. Use of an AR-15, by contrast, is different from his just going out there with Glocks and a shotgun.
*We think everyone should drive a pre 1971 Volkswagen Bug! We think that you should be able to own as many guns as you can carry 100 yards without a wheelbarrow or any other assisted method. We think that you can continue to own this many guns as long as you pass the 100 yards test every other year.
We think people should be able to own spud guns, water guns, straws that shoot spit wads and Whammo Sling Shots that can utilize steelie ball bearings, cats eye marbles and baby rocks and gravel. We think people should be able to own any type of bow and arrow manufactured and any type of Marine KABAR military knife or those big Bowie Knives that only someone over 260 lbs can weild with alacrity. We believe that everyone that is elected to office must be drug tested as well as every person that drives a automobile in the United States of America.
We also believe it should be illegal to own or use for any purpose – any explosive device, pepper spray, Taser or electronic device able to disable anyone. We also believe it should be illegal to own or possess any CN or CS gas grenades or Flash Bang Grenades. It should also be worth five years in jail if someone possesses 2 Gallons of Gasoline or other Flammable Fuel INSIDE of any Residence or Commercial Building that allows access to the public.
Additionally, any possessing Body Armor that is not a member of the Military or Police Department should go to jail for five years – as well.
Try that for starters when you are talking about Gun Control. We also believe anyone should be able to buy any GAS MASK they think can be helpful in an emergency.
That’s not much of a starter.
Do you think people should be allowed to own the AR-15 and other guns like it?
Lets see if you can answer a simple question with a straightforward, coherent answer.
*There is a great Long Range Rifle on the market. It is a .50 caliber semi-auto which is restricted in some states. The reality is that unless you are going after African Rhino
at 5000 yards……there probably isn’t much use for it – other than what the Navy SEALS, Green Berets and Rangers sometimes find themselves into. Should everyone be able to buy a $2200 dollar firearm which requires rounds to be purchased at about $10-15 dollars a piece (depending on the load required).
As we stated above…..have all or any guns that you want as long as you can carry
them 100 yards in less than 30 seconds. Nobody will make you pull that trigger or carry that firearm…unless of course you are active duty military and you want to use it.
The AR-15 is an extremely popular shooting gallery type gun for fun Action Shoots around the country. There are many variations, some with short barrells, some radically outfitted for a variety of purposes. There is a lot of money just in supplying the various accessories for a popular firearm. The AK-47 various versions are much the same. There is always a serious romantic attachment to certain firearms, if you have been in the military. If not…..eat yogart with fruit pieces!
I’ll take that as a yes.
The Winships believe that people should be able to own the AR-15 and guns like it.
How about this gun? Do you think people should be able to own this gun?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzi
*Had one for many years……they in fact were used by the Secret Service that saved Ronnie Reagan’s life when Hincley went Gabby Giffords…..on us.
The Uzi is an awesome firearm and probably one of the best 9MM firearms ever created. A few years ago, the State of California banned them and after we lost our
Federal Firearms License because the restrictions and requirements were too stiff,
we wound up donating it to our local PD for their SWAT Team. It was literally brand new and we had only fired it twice. No recoil and very fun to shoot. We used both the 20 and 30 round clips and never experience a stoppage or jam of any kind in over a 1000 rounds expended.
I’ll take that as a yes.
The Winships believe that people should be able to own an Uzi.
Anon – Not just a UZI, or a bazooka, or a Gattling Gun, or 20 lb Cannon….. Things do not hurt or kill folks. “The Things” in the wrong hands include a simply silver knife, fork or spoon. What offends you most….the things…or things that people do?
Jeffrey Dahmer posioned and drugged his prey, then cut them up and ate them. Bundy strangled girls and did terrible things to them. Neither used a firearm in the commission of their heinous crimes. Are you saying just the thought of an UZi kills people? Not lately….Anon…..Not lately! How about an FAL, or a Galil, or how about
the favorite killing machine on the planet IED’s made by brilliant minds that graduate
from the finest schools on the Globe?
Just because “the thought of a gun” scares YOU……don’t think it scares us. Only stupid people with ANY possible weapon SCARES US a bunch! How about some guy
jacked up on drugs driving his motorcycle at 120 MPH on our freeways during rush hour? Does that scare you? Should we ban all motorcycles in the so-called name of common sense?
If you think that a silver knife (or any knife, for that matter) can kill as swiftly, efficiently and in the same quantities in the same amount of time as an Uzi, you are crazier than I thought. Bonkers.
Do you ever stop to think seriously about what you write?
“Things do not hurt or kill folks,” so why not let people have “things.”
Anthrax? Smallpox? Plutonium? How far is your hobgoblin of consistency prepared to go?
*Anon – Selective hearing………I get that. You guys answer what you want….and not
answer anything else. OK, we agree to totally disagree. You keep your silver and we will keep our guns and everyone will be happy as clams!
We keep waiting for the cops to do away with illegal text messagers…..so we totally share you frustrations.
Enough with the incoherent mumbo jumbo. How about I put it as simply as possible, and you can answer a simple question. Or you can slink away and avoid yet another direct question with your incoherent mumbo jumbo. We’re talking about guns here…not text messages.
Person A is standing in front of 100 people with a silver knife. They have 10 seconds to kill as many people as possible.
Person B is standing in front of 100 people with an Uzi. They have 10 seconds to kill as many people as possible.
Which person will kill the most people?
*How bad is there breath? Are they exposing themselves? Do they like stinky cheese? Do they belong to a left wing organization? Do they belong to a right wing organization? How many friends are in the audience with the same armament? Is there a clip in the UZI? Has the person ever shot a gun in their life? Do they know which way to load the clip? Can they take off the safety before people rush him and beat his to death with a bag of Skittles? How close is the fat guy with a Big Gulp…that could drown the guy before he shoots anyone. How many silver knives does he have in his backpack for backup? Did the guy ever kill anyone with either the UZi or the Silver knife before this encounter? Is the guy with the UZI have training with this firearm and is it licensed to be owned by that person? Is either one an ex-Navy SEAL?
As usual, you anti-gunners never get it. There are always a variety of variables that exceed you ability to grasp in any situation.
Let’s just ask you one question instead: You are sitting in the front row of Theater NIne when the Holmes comes in Dressed to Kill. Under your T-Shirt your are carrying a SIG .45 Caliber with an eight round clip. Do you sit there and get shot or do you pull out your firearm and defend yourself, your wife and your two daughters? By the way,
you don’t have 10 seconds….you have 3 to make up your mind.
Now you go slink into the darkness Mr. Hero!
How nice of you to not answer the question.
Those aren’t variables. They’re a coward’s attempt to avoid answering a simple question.
*How nice of you to ask an asinine question……Anon dude!
Stupid is as stupid does….and you set a high bar that just about no one can go
over other that your alter ego….pal. The one you see so clearly in the mirror….to be clear!
You guys have absolutely no interest in “variables” when you’re defending one of your political buddies. You’re hypocrites and cowards.
*Hey Anon – also forgot to mention you are the one showing the cowardly lion status… one that doesn’t even have the juevos to use your own real name! But hey, who can expect much more from someone with your sweet nature?
Have any more uplifting comments you want to share with the world?
The aftermath of the theater massacre in Aurora, Colorado, continues to be felt around the country. In California, a legal fight looms over whether ammo buyers should be physically identified prior to purchase.
From the Chronicle’s Bob Egelko: “A battle is looming in California courts over whether gun owners should be required to appear in person and be fingerprinted before being allowed to buy ammunition – like the thousands of rounds James Holmes reportedly purchased on the Internet in the weeks before he entered a Colorado movie theater for a deadly shooting rampage Friday morning.”
“One of Holmes’ guns, a semiautomatic AR-15 rifle, would be illegal in California, officials say, under a ban on so-called assault weapons enacted after a gunman killed five children in a Stockton schoolyard in 1989. California law also prohibits magazines that load more than 10 bullets and thus would ban the 100-cartridge magazine attached to Holmes’ rifle.”
If only these mass killers would bring silver knives to their killings. They’re perfectly legal, and they kill just as quickly and efficiently as an AR-15 or Uzi. Problem solved.
And they work on vampires. Or is that wolfmen? Uh-oh.
Since we’re keeping score:
http://slate.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c05b76ecf68cd5e5448448316&id=bcb0cfb46a&e=ba3aec4de2
*Eddie Eagle says: “When you see a gun, don’t touch it and tell your teacher right away!”
Both of you Yahoo’s should have gone through Basic Training and learned how to throw a fragmentation grenade over a berm. Undoubtedly, you would have pulled the pin counted – 5 seconds …… and then thrown the grenade….
It’s OK though….we need you types to remind us why we fought the Evil Empire, the nasty Commies in Korea and Vietnam and of course,. the Nazi hordes and the Empire of Japan…..to protect our country from The Wrath of you Peaceniks! Think about how many College Campuses would have gone up in flames without our military, our draft and our military industrial complex?
By the way, did you see the motorcycle chase on Channel 5 this morning. A single
CHP motor officer took down a very nasty120MPH motorcycle rider, in a freeway chase
– all by himself. Whoa..what a hero! The CHP guy must have been reading this blog and got really upset.. It is the first act of total heroism we have seen in some time! Hope Downtown Jerry Brown gives him a medal.
Ahhh, so now we’re getting a glimpse into the psychology at work here with you. This is all about some dinosaur’s (that would be you) connection to some bygone, “glorious” past, where we kicked commie ass and took names. And then there’s the superiority complex, the one that thinks that unless you’ve served in the military, you can’t have a rational, legitimate thought about guns and gun control.
Hate to break it to you, but we’ve been at war for the past 10+ years. It’s sick, twisted warmongers and gun worshippers like you who get a lot of our finest citizens killed.
To Anna,
You wrote a very heart felt article about a horrible tragedy. Too bad your idiot partner has hijacked this into a glorification of violence and murder, complete with tips to maniacs on how to kill more people, more efficiently, and in greater numbers.
To Ron,
Don’t assume that liberals aren’t knowledgable and skilled in the use of firearms. Many of us have been in the service, and know how to kill with and without firearms, but we don’t have to brag about our competence to prove how manly we are.
Don’t assume that if you come for a late night visit unannounced, that there isn’t a
.357 Magnum S&W loaded with hollow points in the nightstand, waiting to greet you.
Now quit cheeking your meds and stop bothering the other patients on your ward.
A basic human right and an enumerated right in the US Constitution.
The right to own and bear arms.
The 2nd amendment does not enumerate a right to be a terrorist, a murderer, etc.
*Demo-God and NON-NON – Your repressed hostility is showing. Go get a old dog
to kick. One hopefully that will take a big chunk out of crime!
Tell us….what is is like at the Retirement Home? Do they really lock the doors at 5PM so you won’t get out and hurt yourselves? How is Nurse Ratchit taking care of you…
really?
I’m going to suggest the possibility that both Ron and Demogogue + anon have gotten about as much out of personal attacks here as they’re going to get. I will politely ask people to stop so that anyone who feels reasonable has cover to be well-behaved.
Not that it hasn’t been entertaining, mind you.
I’ll go one step further and close comments.