
Vision obscured by its own enormous face, one walrus lashes out blindly at another walrus in hopes of deflecting a question about its candidate’s position on issues critical to the herd, such as who’s stealing way more than their share of fish.
Vern is, for reasons presumably having to do with his frequent excess of honorable earnestness, trying to have it out with Chumley in comments on Lib OC. (I’m not linking to it; OJB’s linking privileges, except when Prevatt is writing, have been suspended.) This has led to what may actually be THE most offensive statement of this entire campaign cycle. See if you can spot it. My comments are in bold italic green and, when necessary, orange:
[1] Vern
October 10, 2014 at 4:54 pm
It’s become abundantly clear that Lorri’s strategy is to hopefully slip into office without taking a position on a single burning issue facing her town, and leaves her old ally to fight off the jackals and thieves all on his own. I really don’t know what she stands for any more. It is so disappointing. So, as I said for the first time yesterday (believe it or not) I am one more Democrat for Tait.
By the way, it sure gets quiet around here when the good people don’t come over to kick you around.
[2] Dan Chmielewski
October 11, 2014 at 12:12 pm
You are not a registered a Democrat Vern. At last check, you were DTS. You don’t know Lorri’s positions? That’s too bad. I do
Vern is a Democrat; he’s just a bit cranky about the local Democratic Party right now, because of people like Chumley, but his endorsements show that he’s a Democrat. Like Vern, I find the prospect of Chumley’s explaining Lorri Galloway’s positions on the major issues affecting Anaheim to be very enticing. Think he’ll actually do it?
[3] Vern
October 11, 2014 at 2:21 pm
So you know Lorri’s positions on the Angels deal, the Convention Center expansion, the Ball Basin controversy, the toothless “public safety commission,” police body cameras, blanketing Anaheim in one big gang injunction, Bruno idolatry, a Disney gate tax, a living wage?
Please, let the rest of us know. Voters are counting on you!
Skadoosh! Chumley’s gonna tell us what he knows!
[4] Dan Chmielewski
October 11, 2014 at 5:29 pm
Yes I do. But Lori has been walking neighborhoods for weeks talking directly to voters. The voters don’t need to hear from me when they can hear it straight from the source. She’s handled this smartly. So why won’t Tait explain himself on Pettibone? And why did he go after a victim of domestic abuse who dared ask him a question? Perhaps he was expecting one of those hugs Cynthia keeps talking about.
Let me print that one again with proper sound effects:
[4] Dan Chmielewski
October 11, 2014 at 5:29 pm
Yes I do. But Lori has been walking neighborhoods for weeks talking directly to voters. The voters don’t need to hear from me when they can hear it straight from the source. She’s handled this smartly.
<Chumley simultaneously yanks the steerting wheel while slamming on the brakes>
SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECH!!!!
So why won’t Tait explain himself on Pettibone? And why did he go after a victim of domestic abuse who dared ask him a question? Perhaps he was expecting one of those hugs Cynthia keeps talking about.
When I have to explain to my grandchildren how to tell when people are trying to deceive you, I’ll be able to pull this one out of the file. Chumley is a PR Professional, you know!
[5] Vern
October 11, 2014 at 5:47 pm
Explain what? Why he didn’t know something that had happened with his neighbor 16 years ago, that had been sealed, that his neighbor didn’t see fit to mention? Go jump in a lake. Voters want to know people’s positions on things like I just mentioned above.
Vern tries to grab the wheel and set the course back to the topic at hand. Will he succeed?
[6] Dan Chmielewski
October 11, 2014 at 9:48 pm
You mean like, “when battering a woman, do you prefer an open hand or a closed fist?” Pettibone attempted to hide this detail. tait still hasn’t answered the question about whether he did his homework.
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My God. Wow.
To appreciate how truly awful this statement is — putting aside that it is being used to deflect questions about why Lorri Galloway isn’t presenting her positions to voters generally rather than one-by-one at their doorsteps, making it impossible for anyone to know whether her issue positions are consistent from house to house — you have to know this:
No one — NO ONE — accuses Doug Pettibone of EVER having physically struck his ex-wife — or any other woman.
To review: in the middle of a child custody dispute (in which he was ultimately granted joint custody, suggesting that the Judge was comfortable with his character) with his ex-wife (who showed her amicable views towards him by supporting his campaign), Pettibone had a loud argument with her. Anyone with any experience of divorces and custody disputes knows that such verbal altercations happen, but they are a FAR CRY from physical altercations.
The DA quickly dropped any battery charges against Pettibone for lack of evidence — although a document that Pettibone had never seen, despite searching for it, and that was either erroneous or forged was either exhumed or planted in the official records by someone with the power to do so, wrongly stated that it had gone to a jury trial. Pettibone was also never convicted of making threats; the FAMILY COURT judge (as opposed to a criminal court judge) ordered him to go through counseling to keep his custody bid alive, which he happily did, at which point the charge was dropped. It is not even clear whether a charge of “making excessive noise” actually remained in force — if so, it was without Pettibone’s knowledge — because the records in question are so unreliable. (And, of course, the office of the DA, who recently came up with an implausible TV ad blasting Tait, would be one of the few that might be able to get a new document snuck into the public record. Not that I’m saying that they did; I’m just saying that the record wasn’t there, and then one day — heralded by commenter “Anon No. 9” here at OJB, who pretended it was there all along — it was.)
I don’t think that there’s any way to read Chumley’s statement in response to Vern’s “Voters want to know people’s positions on things” — namely, “You mean like, ‘when battering a woman, do you prefer an open hand or a closed fist?’ Pettibone attempted to hide this detail.” — as anything other than an assertion that Pettibone engaged in physical battery of a woman, presumably his wife.
This is FLAT OUT FALSE. There is NO EVIDENCE FOR IT. Chumley, based on what we know he has read about the case, VERY LIKELY KNOWS THIS. It is literally as unsupported as speculation over whether Chumley himself has ever battered his wife. Even with Pettibone being a public figure, this vicious smear probably clears the high bar for “malice” in a defamation case. (We know that Chumley has been aching to bring this up for a while because he speculated on whether I would ask Pettibone “when he stopped beating his wife” — which I wouldn’t, because I’m not a humorless vicious sociopath without regard for the facts or basic human decency.)
That this statement was made to provide political cover for a woman who is IN THE BUSINESS OF PROTECTING VICTIMS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE makes it all the more heinous. And THAT now puts the onus on Lorri Galloway to comment, presuming that she does want people to think that she takes such allegations seriously.
As I’ve stated here before, I don’t think that Chumley really favors Galloway at all. Like his friend Matt Cunningham and his political ally Kris Murray, I think that he favors Lucille Kring — and that he wants Galloway in the race solely to sap away the Democratic vote that would otherwise (and may yet) overwhelmingly go to Tait. But Chumley is making a great show of being Galloway’s biggest public supporter, and the topic is “in her wheelhouse,” so she should step forward and — even if she WON’T tell the general public what she thinks about all of political issues that Vern raises — tell the public her beliefs about WHETHER IT IS OK TO PUBLICLY SPECULATE ON “HOW A CANDIDATE PREFERS TO HIT A WOMAN” WHEN THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER THAT SUCH AN ACCUSATION WAS EVER EVEN MADE AGAINST HIM.
This is one of the lowest things that I have ever seen in local politics — and it comes from an unsurprising source. Maybe Galloway can do some good by saying what she surely knows: that this sort of baseless accusation is NOT OK because it undermines the seriousness with which the public takes REAL accusations of ACTUAL domestic violence.
Hopefully, Galloway will have the decency and honor to kick Chumley to the curb over this. I won’t ask Kring, because it seems unlikely that making such an accusation is beneath her.
Back to the accursed comments section.
[7] Vern
October 12, 2014 at 11:36 am
And – not that I’m interested in any discussion with you about it, but I can’t let so many lies stay up here unanswered: Never having been to an Anaheim council meeting before, you wouldn’t know that Tait has several times chewed out Fitzgerald for his distasteful speech, including on “sick faggot” day. Also, James Robert Reade as well, who I’m sure you think is just some swell fellow because he comments on Matty’s blog and joins you two in attacking Tait. It figures his comparison of Anaheim’s latinos to “bonobo monkeys” would bother you less than Latinos’ “f the police” chanting which was a reaction to his being allowed to say such things.
Don’t take the bait, Vern; you can’t argue with a professional deceiver. You, to your credit, really don’t have it in you.
Whoa, Nellie.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Lane_%28TV_announcer%29
I do believe the Chimp is smitten with the Precious Princess. I remember well the lengths he went to defend her pathetic fake residences in 2010. Could be the teenybopper routine strikes his fancy.
The big spender also bragged about buying a couple of mattresses for the Eli Home although I would be willing to give odds that 1) he never did; and 2) if he did, they ended up in the thrift store.
Thanks for bringing that over here. That quip about woman battering was too gross and shocking for me to process, so I just ignored it. I’m glad others will see it now. The Real Dan C.
You did the best you could at the time — and most of your commentary was right on. I thought that his “Lorri tells the public her positions publicly one-by-one, so that it’s hard for them to compare notes” argument (OK, he didn’t correct the dots for the second part, but the implication is clear) was hilarious — until the next line with the accusation of battery (probably placed where it was to hide the weakness in the previous argument) stole my attention.
It’s so hard to believe that someone would actually DO that that it’s hard to know how to respond. I don’t shock easily, but after reading that one I had to scrape my eyebrows off of the ceiling. Who DOES that?
“Lorri tells the public her positions publicly one-by-one”
Now, where have I heard that before?
Oh, right. Lucy “I didn’t Put it In My Campaign Literature Kring.
Exactly. i was just thinking of how to phrase that.
A little meeting with the mayor, a little meeting with Jason and me, a little meeting with Cynthia, telling us all what we wanted to hear. And who knows how many OTHER meetings, where she exercised the OTHER side of her mouth?
It is actually beginning to look like the entire webpage is NOT on the offiicial court website but is one of those “ghost” pages that exists only as itself and not as part of the court system. Much like it is easier to build a page that looks like Bank of America to send to old lady email accounts trying to get them to confirm their banking info, it’s a lot easier than breaking into Bank of America to get the old lady’s info. That would also only require someone really, really good with computer programming to make a dummy page that looks like it is in the County’s server, and not get access to the County site. We will see when Doug gets done, but I bet it doesn’t end well for some folks. I feel bad for Lisa Lewis because I think she does really believe he is a monster and she believes Tait knew he was a monster and if I believed that I would hate them too. The fault lies in those who wound her up and sent her into that battle for them. Chicken-shit is the word that comes to mind.
Vern is registered to vote as a Republican which is how he snuck into an ARA meeting, (although we did not give him a membership app or let him vote on endorsements)
Lorri is probably not speaking out on Chumley because she understands that NOBODY is reading his blog or taking him seriously, and calling attention to his mean spirited elitist garbage only lends him credibility he does not in any way deserve. Much like the way my favorite overgrown little boys over HERE like posting rants against Cunningham and all 6 of his inbred personas that inhabit the AnaheimBlog, which we also should not be granting any attention to. Do we not have mudpies to make? Trees to climb? Puppies to wrestle?
Ok go back one last time to get a screen grab of Chumley’s little venture into defamation. He likes to claim his lawyer keeps Pedroza’s man-parts in her purse, I would bet it isn’t going to go that way with Pettibone. The guy is WAY too smart, and frankly determined to clear his name. Of all the people on earth who know how ugly it can be to spread lies about others on the internet…Dan had to go there?! Stupid….
I’ll go grab that screen-shot for you, mommy.
Already had it, but two independent screenshots are better than one.
BTW, I don’t REALLY have an excess of honorable earnestness (that would be Ricardo) – it’s just a public act. I would never talk to a guy like Chimpley with such faux earnestness if it weren’t for the benefit of an audience.
Uh, THIS is interesting … am I the last person around to discover that https://ocapps.occourts.org/CourtIndex/case_details_criminal.jsp?cn=98NM05442&pi=3514861#ocDetailsA leads to a dead web page? So it wasn’t there, and then it was, and now it isn’t again? How conveeeeeeenient! Glad I took screenshots at the time!
You know what’s really cool, though? Chumley was claiming to have had the court document even before news of it broke here. Maybe he was lying and will have to do a Robin Thicke-type recantation — or maybe he knows how he got it and from whom.
That reminds me: if anyone out there who hosts a blog would do a search on IP Address “70.42.240.5”, I’m interested in knowing the results. We suspect that it’s a coffeeshop, but we’re trying to track down exactly where.
I don’t feel sorry for Lewis. Even the (I now suspect more strongly) forged court document said that he was acquitted by a jury for battery. (False: the DA didn’t even go forward with the charges.) The worst she could have expected of him was assault — making a threat — and she had had plenty of time before the last Anaheim Council meeting to learn that that charge had been dropped as well and why and how. She had no basis to consider him a monster. And the photos I took that night are telling.
Chumley has readers among “political elites” like Martin Wisckol who still think that LibOC still represents Democratic Party opinion. (That will change in time. Until then, it’s our cross to bear.) The thrashing that Matt has been taking with the reprints of comments here speaks for itself.
Pedroza didn’t answer the complaint about the NAMBLA link and so received a default judgment. Chumley claimed to me, before I discovered that Vern was 100% right about him, that he could show actual damages, but even back then the claim seemed doubtful. Pettibone could go after him for nominal damages. He’s a lot less judgment proof than Pedroza.
Please notify Corgi Jr. that I prepared to play with her at our earliest mutual convenience in order to prove my eternal boyhood.
Out of curiosity (wanted to compare the address of the disappearing site), I just went to the REAL Court site,and noticed THIS-
DOWNTIME NOTICE
The Court Public Website and all Online Services will be down for a major maintenance from Saturday October 11th, 2014 at 6:00 A.M. through Monday October 13th at 6:00 P.M. Pacific Time. We appreciate your understanding and apologize for the inconvenience.
Interesting-
I keep going back and for with my feelings about DanCe. I now suspect that he was raised by at least one extremely abusive parent and I feel some pity.
And then I remember all the disgusting things he has said about people he knew couldn’t hit back.
Asshole. And really not very bright.
I don’t know how to explain his obvious glee from putting people down either.
But, it’s predictable and regular. At least he has that, and apparently at least one daily shower, going for him.
this sort of thing makes me happy that all we have to deal with over here are the winships and the rabbits. have talked to people on both sides of the pettibone issue and, after due reflection, it does belong in the pantheon of sleaze
but the one overriding concern is a question that nobody seems to be able to answer,,,after all the dust settles in anaheim, will my annual park passes go up and, if so, by how much so i can adjust the bag that gets left on greg’s porch that vern intercepts
Dan Chmielewski
October 12, 2014 at 7:31 pm
Thanks for the thoughtful comment Khan. I haven’t been to that part of the world yet but in my international travels, regardless of nation, I have always found people to be wonderful and friendly.
But apparently he doesn’t wonder why nobody in OC is wonderful and friendly to him except Matt Cunningham.
*TDM….whoa now here buddy buddy…..you are talking about Harvey and the entire City of Newport Beach when you cast those aspertions on our news highlights of the day. First of all, politicos need to “go on record”. This is determined by a variety of independent media sources which listen carefully and watch the lips move in harmony.
If Lori thinks that “Halley’s Comet” comes every year……that is OK….as long as she is on record saying that. Challenging abusive behavior like child or domestic abuse is a very important part of politicos “being on the record”. Determining whether Arte Moreno is a “mench” or a “greedy twit”……should not be that difficult to assess from the position of an elected City Official.
Whether Vern is DTS, Republican or a stealthy Larouche convert is hardly of concern to electeds or worse the Chapman University Administration of Political Survey’s! But then, those are just our thoughts. Rabbits?
You find them in every election and they probably all need identifying T-Shirts so people can pick them out at Candidate Forums. Ask the Potstirer sometime! He is not only political active but a prior service Army Officer. They ususally know something!
I couldn’t have put it better myself, Winships.
mr nelson
can you translate for me
and, please return the brown paper bag you took off greg’s proch