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“Waiit, it’s worse then I thought! Left to right, that’s a Greek, a topless woman, skip the green one for now, a Frenchman, a MEXICAN, and — Jeez, WHAT IS THAT GREEN ONE HOLDING IN HIS HAND?
LATE UPDATE: The Mayor’s resolution passed on a 4-3 vote. Peotter, Muldoon, and the other one voted “no.”
I was busy yesterday, so I didn’t get to this earlier (although Vern did set the stage for it last week.) My sources have not yet filled me in on what happened at tonight’s Newport Beach City Council Special Meeting, but I’m guessing that it was an unhappy time for the Peotter.
But this is not what prompts me to write. OK, partially it’s because I’ll be in LA tomorrow and am hoping that people who attended will fill in the details. But mostly, I just want to give some of you an inside view of what happens when a homophobe starts squealing and shrieking at being called a homophobe and begs to be saved. This message went out to his mailing list prior to the meeting. (I didn’t decide to write about it until he mentioned wedding cake, then I decided that this required an intervention.)
Peotter’s original writing is in bold red; my responses are in bold teal:
Boy What a Fire Storm!
Dear Sheldon,
I Need Your Help.
How can I help you, Mr. Peotter?
Last week I wrote in my email that I disagreed with the Supreme Court decision to a constitutional right to same sex marriage.
Is that all you did? Let’s take a look:
I know, The Supreme Court (that would be 5 out of 9 guys in black robes) decided 10 days ago to overturn 5,000 years of Judeo – Christian tradition, by redefining and allowing gay marriage.
All of a sudden, a lot of the “important stuff” of the city didn’t seem so important.
I like how the White House is really quick on the “important” stuff like this rainbow lighting.
I do find it interesting that the homosexual movement adopted the rainbow as their symbol, as it was God’s symbol that he wouldn’t destroy the world by flood again….
Maybe they are “wishful thinking…”
Well, I may think that you’re an idiot — but that’s your right. Just for the hell of it, though:
- 3 out of the 9 guys are gals
- they didn’t overturn “5000 years of Judeo-Christian tradition” — have you READ the Bible? Do you know what was included in traditional marriage? Getting rid of polygamy was the least of what we’ve already changed about the institution.
- “a lot of the ‘important stuff’ of the city didn’t seem so important” — so you’re resigning
- actually, while religious tradition has appropriated the rainbow to represent the promise you suggest, it’s real scientific significance is to show how (and when and where) white light can be naturally broken up into its distinctive and colorful component parts, so it’s a pretty appropriate symbol for a group that claims its distinctiveness
But unless you put this out using the City Seal or something, all you have to do is weather some predictable political fallout, which is protected by the same First Amendment that protects you here.
Now, based on that email the LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transexual) Crowd wants me to RESIGN from the city council. LGBT claims that I am a bigot and homophobe.
You are a bigot and a homophobe. What you said up there is bigoted against gays, and therefore homophobic. Is this just occurring to you now?
I have been called a racist, a homophobe and intolerant by the very people who have earned their living allegedly fighting hate, name-calling and promoting tolerance.
I didn’t notice the racism, but homophobia and intolerance — sure. Man up, sir! If you believe what you said, accept the criticism! By the way, I’ll bet that most of your critics don’t “earn their living” fighting hate and promoting tolerance. As for “fighting name-calling”: do you KNOW any gay men?
Can You Come to Tonight’s Council Meeting?
You seem to think that you’re in some trouble.
The LGBT crowd is rallying their supporters to come to tonight’s council meeting to harass me and ask for my resignation.
Again, they have every right to do so. You picked the fight, Mr. Peotter.
The Mayor has agendized an item in response chastising me for using the city seal and trying to limit the free speech of the minority of the council.
Well that seems harsh. Just because you … you … YOU DID WHAT? You USED THE CITY SEAL to spread this message and you don’t understand why people are pissed off? DID ANYONE EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT BEING ON CITY COUNCIL MEANS?
And you want to “limit the free speech of the minority of the council”? But you’re asserting your free speech rights? Is this some sort of performance art? Let’s take a look at this resolution:
RESOLUTION NO. 2015-63 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF NEWPORT BEACH, CALIFORNIA, ADOPTING CITY COUNCIL POLICY A-20 RELATING TO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS’ EXPRESSION OF AN OFFICIAL CITY POSITION OR POLICY AND AFFIRMING THE CITY OF NEWPORT BEACH’S SUPPORT FOR DIVERSITY, EQUALITY AND INCLUSIVENESS
WHEREAS, the City of Newport Beach (“City”) is a diverse community comprised of people of different faiths, races, nationalities, ethnicities and sexual orientations;
WHEREAS, on July 6, 2015, Council Member Peotter sent out an email commenting upon the United States Supreme Court’s decision which held the United States Constitution guaranteed a right to same-sex marriage;
WHEREAS, the email expressing Council Member Peotter’s views on the decision by the United States Supreme Court contained a picture of the City’s Official Seal and also referenced that he was a City of Newport Beach Council Member;
WHEREAS, the City Council for the City of Newport Beach is concerned that the expression of private personal opinions authorized under the First Amendment may be construed as being an official City position or policy; and
WHEREAS, the City Council for the City of Newport Beach wishes to reaffirm its commitment to a diverse community that actively protects the rights of people of different faiths, races, nationalities, ethnicities and sexual orientations.
NOW, THEREFORE, the City Council of the City of Newport Beach resolves as follows:
Section 1: The City Council of the City of Newport Beach hereby adopts City Council Policy A-20, which is attached hereto and incorporated by this reference, which requires City Council Members who wish to express opinions or make statements which are not the official policy or position of the City of Newport Beach, as determined by the City Council, ensure that said statement or opinion cannot be construed by the public as being a position or policy of the City of Newport Beach.
Section 2: The City Council of the City of Newport Beach hereby declares that it is, and has been, the official policy of the City of Newport Beach to not discriminate against any person on any basis, including, but not limited to, race, creed, color, ethnicity, nationality, gender, age, disability, religion, marital status, or sexual orientation. The City Council of the City of Newport Beach affirms its support for a diverse community where its citizens, visitors, staff, and all members of the public are treated equally and fairly without regard to their race, creed, color, ethnicity, nationality, gender, age, disability, religion, marital status, or sexual orientation.
[Sections 3 through 6 are non-substantive boilerplate, so I’ll skip them.]
WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU THINK STEPS ON YOUR RIGHTS HERE? The idea that you should clarify, when trading on your status as a Councilmember, to say that you’re speaking only for yourself and not the City? The reiteration of the City’s non-discrimination policy? Spit it out, Peotter!
I would love to have you come to tonights meeting at 7PM where we will receive public input. If you would speak for free speech and religious liberties, that would be great.
Oh. Now you are starting to piss me off. You think that it’s your “free speech” right to fool people into thinking that you speak for the City? You think that it’s your “religious liberty” to favor illegal — repeat, ILLEGAL — discrimination?
You WILL be Made to Care
YOU WILL BE MADE TO CARE!
Please tell me that this isn’t going to turn into a paranoid rant about wedding cakes….
Sweet Cakes by Melissa in Oregon refused to make a wedding cake for a lesbian couple because owners felt it violated their religious beliefs and have been fined $135,000 with threats to lien their house if they don’t pay by this week.
They are LIABLE because Oregon law says that a business can’t discriminate against the public on this basis, just like you can’t discriminate against Blacks or against interracial couples if you provide services to the public. They got a BIG FINE because they did things like giving out the home address of the couple, leading them to suffer from significant harassment. The SIZE of the fine wasn’t for being anti-gay, it was for violating their privacy and leading to harm.
The City Seal is Gone
No, I just checked the City website. It’s still there.
My last email had this picture of the city seal in its photo montage. I used this picture, in a picture montage, in a private email, from my personal email account, that stated it was paid for by Scott Peotter for City Council 2014. Yet somehow people were confused as to who I was representing.
If you can’t understand that you as a public official cannot use the City Seal to promote your private opinions, even if in a private email from your personal account, then you probably SHOULD resign, because that is pretty basic stuff.
LGBT activists alleged that I was purporting to represent the city, council, or constituents by its use, so at the request of the mayor I removed it.
But YOU DID IT IN THE FIRST PLACE! That’s WHY there’s a resolution! DO YOU REALLY NOT GET THIS?
Please feel free to email me at frightened@gays.com.
(OK, I admit that I made that email address up — but I didn’t want to out him.)
We’ll have more describing what happened at the meeting when it’s available.
I was at the city council meeting last night on a totally unrelated agenda item – they are trying to restrict where and when I can tie up the yacht – and sat through two and a half hours of absolute stupidity from both sides.
First, as my posting on this site will verify, I am not a big peotter fan. he is an idiot for a number of reasons, including sending out a personal political statement and attaching the city seal. but, he has an opinion that a lot of people share and he has the right to express that opinion. and that opinion is not something that he recently came upon. he has held those beliefs and convictions long before, as someone said last night, he packed his carpet bag and moved over to Newport Beach.
So, I think that we can agree that while Scott is stupid and his views are offensive to some, he has the right to express those views both as an individual and as a member of the city council as long as it is clear that his views are not the official views of the city council.
On the other side, you have people who have been discriminated and bullied and marginalized for years. The most moving statements came from parents whoso children have come out and who, despite the public rejection and hostility, have stood by their children with love and support. Those people should be applauded.
In short, both sides believe deeply in their convictions and their principles and God should love them all.
At the end of the day, however, what I took away from the entire episode, other than a hearty respect for the mayor of Newport for allowing this public discourse, was a belief that the people who claim to be the alleged victims of intolerance are becoming the most intolerant people involved in the process.
If the proponents of diversity are going to be allowed the freedom to sling abusive insults at peotter and condemn him for what they believe are his transgressions, then they need to allow him the right to comment and opine on their beliefs and actions with the same candor.
there was a lot of talk about love and understanding in the room last night and some of the speakers demonstrated their commitment to that belief by inviting peotter to visit with them and try to understand their life choices. others, however, were as strident, dogmatic and intolerant as the protesters at cal in the 1960’s or the occupy participants during the last decade.
as an aside, the guy I really feel sorry for, but respect more and more, is dave kiff, the Newport Beach City Manager. A gay man, in a long term committed relationship, he is an outstanding public official who, despite what I am sure are feelings of disgust and disdain, sat there and did his job like the professional he is.
(damn, I am starting to sound like the winships)
*Whoa TDM don’t leave the barn when the fire hasn’t been set yet. The reality of this “Master stroke of stupidity” is from the famous quote: “He seems out of his realm!” As a duly elected member of the Newport Beach City Council it should be noted that those selected are supposed to represent the entire community. They are also required to find the most pressing issues facing the city and offer solutions, study groups or an open discussion of said issues! City Council members represent the entire community and when someone from outside of that community contacts them – they realize that the reputation and image of the entire city is at stake when they have the temerity to said their own position on said issue. A good example is: Red Light cameras in San Francisico. When we wrote the Mayor of SF to offer our distain – the Mayor failed to respond. Now you can take that as either the fact that the Mayor had not logical answer to our questions, didn’t delegate to an underling to answer our concerns or just basically told us to “Screw Off”. Now, since the Mayor did not respond – it would only be speculation to believe that the last answer was his first thought. In the case of Scott boy – he has left little or no doubt about his position on the issue in question. Our prediction: He will not be re-elected and anyone offering money for his campaign will be squed….beyond belief. Just guessing….you see. Scott could have said that he was a member of the American Nazi Party too – but luckily he didn’t. He could have said he was a member of Homophobes for Ted Cruz with Eye Make-up – but luckily did not. The major point of this is: A city council member – stick to city business and you won’t find yourself in serious problems later.
Thank you for the useful contribution to the discussion. I need to go lie down now.
(Seriously, the info on Dave Kiff really affects my view of events. Peotter may be sincere, but he’s a sincere assbite.)
on that point, greg, there is no disagreement