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The Orange Juice Blog proudly congratulates its official singing geologist, Dr. John C. Hoaglund III, otherwise known as “The Rock Doctor” – a friend Greg and I met back in 2011 at Occupy OC.
You may remember we chose him as (one of the) rebutters of Global Warming Dismisser Dr. Patrick Michaels at last August’s CATER fundraiser. That same month, we printed his article on a way that “OC could do desal better [than Poseidon’s plan] by using salt to lock up CO2 emissions.”
First, and appropriately, he had brought this idea to Poseidon themselves but they sloughed him off, uninterested in any change of plan that would slow down their implacable march toward fleecing us and despoiling our shore. Then his article was rejected by both the Register and the Voice of OC, so we printed it ourselves. Now we see our judgment was correct, as his idea has been accepted into a big scientific conference!
The following is a note from John, along with his “abstract” :
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My abstract was accepted. I haven’t been to a conference in years, but I will now be going to the National Ground Water Association (NGWA) meeting in Denver in April. I will be presenting my calculations on that crazy carbon sequestraton / ocean desalination idea I have (related article = 1st comment):
Abstract #10936
Coupling Brine Desalination with Carbon Sequestration to Produce Solid Carbonate Minerals
John Hoaglund, Ph.D. (geology), Carbon Negative Water Solutions, LLC, Irvine, CA
Abstract Text:
Leftover brine from the desalination of brine groundwater, as well as seawater, can be used to sequester carbon into solid carbonate minerals, consuming the salt from the solution, thus eliminating brine discharge and increasing freshwater yields. The process needs a source of CO2 such as from a power plant.
The key is to use electrolysis of the saline water to raise hydroxide alkalinity, then to pass the CO2 through solution to convert the alkalinity into bicarbonate and carbonate components, conserving alkalinity but dropping pH. The bicarbonate and carbonate react with the salt cations to create the carbonate minerals. Hydrogen is created along with the hydroxide alkalinity in the reduction half of the electrolysis. The oxidation half of the electrolysis creates “reactive oxygen species” mostly chlorine based. These can be converted into acids using the hydrogen.
The reaction is one of the most common in industry for creating these products, where salt and freshwater are mixed as raw materials. Several patents exist for the sequestration reactions, but few if any have been coupled to desalination. A scenario is presented for a proposed desalination facility on the grounds of an existing 900 MW natural gas power plant. A salt budget for the proposed desalination rate is shown to be sufficient to sequester all of the CO2 from the plant.
Session: Climate Change and Groundwater (10522)
Coupling Brine Desalination with Carbon Sequestration to Produce Solid Carbonate Minerals
Submitter’s E-mail Address: john@h2o-c.com
Format: Either
ACCEPTED
Topic Area : Climate Change and Groundwater
First Author
Presenting Author
John Hoaglund, Ph.D. (geology)
Email: john@h2o-c.com
Carbon Negative Water Solutions, LLC
Principal Hydrogeologist
17595 Harvard Ave
C140
Irvine CA 92614
USA
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So, as we celebrate an Orange Juice friend’s success (and hopefully one that’ll throw a wrench into Poseidon’s works) let’s enjoy last month’s performance of Pink Floyd’s Echoes by him singing and myself on the piano, with the new touch of John reciting a poem in the middle of the piece, “And in the Course of Evolutionary Events…” inspired by the recent work he’s been doing studying the old nuclear test bomb sites in Nevada:
This is your Weekend Open Thread. Talk about this, that, or the other, but do try to show some damn discretion and decorum. Please.
And talented. And he really has his head screwed on politically.
I think that it would be hilarious if the blog ended up having played a minor role in helping the Rock Doc save the world. We want a piece of that Nobel Prize money when it comes, John! (Like $5.)
Interesting, any idea the cost to sequester a unit of co2?
In the LA Basin, CO2 is almost free. It’s a by product of producing hydrogen, which is a major reactant used at oil refineries.
http://www.aidic.it/CISAP4/webpapers/7Collodi.pdf
Well Bitch is an Australian Grenache. I prefer whites from New Zealand. I still have two bottles of Sauska I brought back from Hungary in 2014. Amazing stuff.
I have to admit that he surprised me here.
Given his support for the aggressive and relentless policing of minorities, I expected him to prefer whites from South Africa — perhaps a mid-’80s vintage.
Amazing stuff.
#Skadoosh.
Raw materials “almost free”, brine and co2, good. Cost to transport or collocate raw materials? Capital cost for “the process”. Ongoing OPEX?
As I asked. Any idea what the cost is to produce a unit of sequestered co2?
As the discussion above (below?) reveals, the raw materials are “free,” but that’s obviously not the cost to sequester a unit of CO2. The biggest cost (besides capital financing, OEM, etc. that I’m not qualified to comment on) is the energy penalty. As my associated news articles state, entropy dictates that ALL sequestration techniques have an associated energy penalty, even just collecting CO2 and disposing of it, say in underground injection wells. Any sequestration process is taking compounds (CO2 and H2O) in their most stable configuration (entropy maximized; chemical potential minimized) and in their most stable state (dispersed gas) and attempting to reduce entropy by 1) making something useful (having higher chemical potential energy), and 2) concentrating the matter (compressing / condensing gas states). There’s energy involved in doing that.
However there are returns that make this penalty justifiable: 1) increased water yields from removing brine from solution, and 2) increased water yields from stack capture. In the initial pilot test, the increased water captured from the stack was actually problematic and had to be vented. We’re talking C6H12O6 ( generic fuel) + 6O2 ==> 6CO2 (the issue) + 6H2O (oh yeah, even more WATER!!)
I have calculations of the energy penalty from running the reactions at STP, but one of the techniques I will be discussing, which has already been developed and has had the equipment pilot tested, is easily scalable and operates at the elevated temperatures in the smokestack. The energy penalty is less at these elevated temperatures due to the lowered activation energy to initiate the reactions at higher temperatures (Van’t Hoffs eqn). Their “sweet spot” is a company secret that I’m not privy to, but they assure the resultant energy penalty is reasonable: enough to be funded by the DOE to the tune of 20 million dollars on their pilot test / proof of concept. The next step is deployment of the technology. Of course “reasonable” is a matter of opinion, with any energy penalty unacceptable to an entity trying to sell power, so actually the first step is politico-economic willingness.
Meanwhile, the Liberal OC’s singing geologist says that… oh wait, what’s that? They don’t have one? Figures. LOSERS!
Two Buck Chuck is only appropriate to cook with, not drink. If you have a red wine emergency, do your guests a favor and serve something drinkable; I prefer Jordan and Stag’s Leap cabs as well as old Vine Berringers
I’m partial to Night Train myself.
You don’t live in Irvine.
It is so sad, which makes me wonder why I keep laughing so hard.
What is the meaning of “accepted” in this context?
Accepted = having his article on the subject printed in a serious scientific journal. There may be some twists and turns on the way, of course — especially when Chevron tries to “reason with him about this.”
.. “wins acceptance of his peers” would lead some to believe that this is proven theory, which it is not.
It might have that effect upon those who did not read the story, true.
Vern, should this be “from”? Do you think that Shivas approve of that?
Eh.
Eh.
Maybe “interest” or “intrigued by” woulda been better. Too much work to change a title though.
Hey is this Shivas related to Jeremy Irons? When is Jeremy gonna do another movie? He’s pretty good.
You think I’m touchy about that? That’s pretty funny. Please know I spend very little time on you bozos. I should pity you but instead there is much to laugh at. Starting with the fact you have no concept on how to properly size a sports jacket.
I should pity you, but instead I’ll laugh.
Yet another custom cut from Gems By Dan.
Real tribute to humanity there.
Oh my God.
Do you think I broke him?
*Being a Robert Mondavi……distainers ……”Ah Wonderful….Ah Wonderful!” Thank goodness some concept for Desal is finally being reviewed. You go Rock Doctor…we
are with you all the way. Meanwhile, we will sit down with our bottle of ’61 Richeborg and drown our sorrows….for the holdidays. Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night.
It’s “Richebourg” fer crissakes.
Can I move to Irvine now?
*And take your “U” with … Fanatic…elitist! Just bring over a couple of bottles and we will show you that no one in Irvine could afford it.
Sorry, I finished my last bottle of ’47 last night.
http://www.wine-searcher.com/find/61+richebourg+rpf+red/1961
*Now you have no excuse……it is still available….just not with fish. Perhaps with a very un-PC Filet de’Boehf en croute! Medium Rare of course!
Filet de boeuf en croûte, sauce foie gras : la recette
filet de bœuf en croûte from cuisine.journaldesfemmes.com
cuisine.journaldesfemmes.com/…/281886…
Recette filet de boeuf en croûte, sauce foie gras par sonia. Ingrédients : carotte, cham
*Your ’47 should have been a great Port…….instead.
http://www.taylor.pt/en/catalogue/vintage/port-wine/years/
*For Example….
‘8:24 AM’ – Is ’61 Richeborg a good breakfast wine ? Or does food……intrude? lol.
Since it’s WOT, this might be of interest as it relates to “how the games are played” in development at our big neighbor up the freeway. I was not at all surprised that the paper breaking the story (NY Times) was 3000 miles away, not local. FWIW. Who knows how many similar events might occur in the OC ?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/15/us/shell-company-bel-air-mansion.html?_r=0
And I found it browsing a site called “Zero Hedge” also perhaps interesting.
And how about this? Among the many items buried in the Omnibus Spending Bill that was passed “to avoid a Government shutdown”, (Yeah, right) was CISA, the Cybersecurity Information Sharing Act, that lets Google, etc. hand your web privacy over to the NSA, etc., and funding for Obama’s unilateral immigration moves that the Republicans made remarks about stopping, which followed the news about the Obama administrations waiver of tax penalties and percentage ownership limits on foreign investment in real estate and farmland, originally contained in the 1980 Foreign Investment in Real Property Tax Act, perhaps opening the door to higher rents, real estate prices, and more incidents like the Bel Air article above ? Happy Holidays?
Hmm, kinda curious how the discussion got round to various wines and spirits, LOL. Sounds like a lot of inside jokes flying around. 🙂
Just a note to let you know I posted a link to the abstract at LinkedIn.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/coupling-brine-desalination-carbon-sequestration-john?
I re-posted there my comment here (above) about the energy cost of doing this.
Thanks John. Sorry, but this piece was also that weekend’s open thread, and a lot of these commenters took the opportunity to mock the pretensions of a certain faux-liberal blogger we like to tease.
Consumption of what I take to be fine wines is a mark of international sophistication and high consumer status. Consumer status is how I judge everybody. I firmly believe in invidious comparison as a test of worth. How else can we be judged? Not by literary ability or cognitive grasp.
I also firmly believe in the White Man’s Burden. Good for me.
My talk has been scheduled at the NGWA Groundwater Summit in Denver for Tuesday, April 26, 2016, in a session scheduled from 1:30 pm to 3:30 pm.
https://ngwa.confex.com/ngwa/2016gws/webprogram/Paper10936.html