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Daly and Epting – not a good combination.
Vern (although this thread was Greg’s idea) : First of all, since Michael Daly’s Huntington Beach Community Forum (HBCF) has become a place where any member (such as, usually, “Christian” Epting) can slander you to his heart’s content while you can’t defend yourself because Michael has banned you, I think we should allow one of his most frequent victims, Victor Valladares of the Oak View ComUNIDAD and Democratic Party of OC, to defend himself on video first. (You can probably get the picture well enough without the background that I might supply later…)
On a recent HB post I wrote something like this – We can now identify three eras of HBCF:
2014 – early 2015: Stridently in opposition to environmentalists, especially then-councilmembers Joe Shaw and Connie Boardman; dominated by Epting; tolerant of Vern until Epting demanded that Vern be banned.
Most of 2015 and 2016: Epting banned for his nastiness and being a control freak; Vern welcomed back. Mostly in opposition to high-density development and government corruption; also mostly supportive of Gina CT’s and Oak View’s struggle against Rainbow dump.
Late 2016 to present: Vern banned, Victor banned, Epting welcomed back and back in control. Fixated mainly on denial of any racism in HB and attacks on Oak View and Gina.
And Chris, as he was with his 2014 victims, has been obsessively attacking and lying about Gina and our Oak View friends, in the safe comfort of their being banned. That’s pretty much why Greg started this post. Here is his original illustration:
Michael Daly is redecorating his HB Community Forum in a lighter monotone.
Greg’s original post: Michael Daly of the Huntington Beach Community Forum has apparently re-embraced Chris “Christian” Epting there and booted our friend Victor Valladares and spiked commentary from our friend Oscar Rodriguez.
Well, if you can’t zap the white eggplant there, and you don’t want to disturb the wonderful ecosystem of the Oak View Community Forum with rancor — you can do it here! Post your comments right here and then as many people as would like to can port them over the HBCF until Daly gets the idea that he’s backed the wrong horse.
“Christian” can post here as well — so don’t libel him! That means don’t say things about him that you know to be false; also don’t threaten violence. You can tell him exactly what you DO thing, though — your opinions are protected, and WE don’t have to be nice at all!
On this comment section, discourse upon these matters, within reasonable bounds of discretion and defamation — no, I meant DECORUM!
Can we just find something to put a wager on and if Daly loses, he has to march as a Chinelo in this year’s parade?
How mature. Is this a middle school thing?
So someone hurt someone’s virtual vagina on the internet and now we can all have a cry session on your virtual safe space? Why not do something positive like clean the beach to get over your butthurt?
Thank you for saving the rest of us the trouble of discrediting you.
This isn’t about “butthurt” or whatever else is on your mind; it’s about allowing communication so as to promote good civic policy making. Go take your own virtual intestines to the beach and clean it up.
Discredited because you don’t like what I said? Aren’t you a special little person.
Because you are the sort of shit-gob who would say: “So someone hurt someone’s virtual vagina on the internet.” I don’t really have to explain beyond that.
^^^ outstanding troll swat
It’s about people being lied about, slandered, nonstop, by a “celebrated author,” who are banned and can’t respond, to defend themselves at least here. That’s what it’s about.
To Epting and his crew:
Unblock yourselves, please. Dialog is imperative and especially with those who would like to provide facts.
The hate against Oak View is racism. There is no other way to define it. The drive on HBCF to highlight it is racism. It is highlighting the worst parts about this city and threatens tourism. Our shameful reputation precedes us thanks to HBCF. A bunch of white people without jobs bitching about the brown people in their town.
I am pretty sure the only people in HB that care about race are the people who are constantly obsessed with race and calling people racist. Quit looking for ways to get offended and get a job.
Stop talking about jobs, Vern and his imaginary friends who write for his blog are jobless.
HBCF is one of the best local forums in HB. Sounds like Vern is just upset that Chris is back.
HBCF is a complete shit show. Totally racist! Chris Epting is a huge douche bag and makes the city look like a joke.
On this, the week of Passover and the eve of Easter, to read what Epting and his friends write in these forums is so sad. On the week of renewal and forgiveness. On the week of resurrection of Jesus, a brown man, their first thought is to tear others down?
Go to confession. This is heinous. This man Epting has so much to hide and he knows it. This Lolita woman, has anyone seen her criminal record? Gang related violence and that is who he hails as a savior?
No backstage passes for Chris and the blondes he likes to surround himself with. They’re beginning to see through it all anyway. And they’re talking. Happy Easter. Be good to others.
So this Daly guy isn’t allowed to agree with Epting on any issues or you will punish him on your blog?
Maybe some day you’ll learn about IP addresses, but for now you’re not succeeding in making anyone think there are a whole bunch of you.
Daly and Epting have bonded in the past half year over a shared feeling of white victimhood and a shared hatred of Oak View ComUNIDAD and Gina Clayton-Tarvin. They both say shit about people, much of it untrue, and try to prevent those people from responding to defend themselves. None of this is good.
You’re a lot nicer than I am. I’d let him post here but I’d delete all of his consonants.
I finally started deleting him, he got monotonous.
Eh. His vowels were OK.
Finish that great-lookin’ Weekend Open Thread!
Okay done, but I’m still trying to figure out if I’m makin’ sense.
You were. It was a fine job!
I was even banned from my own blog OCWD Orange County Water Dissidents for daring to question Poseidon building a desal plant on the backs of the taxpayers. In addition, Poseidon can raise their rates monthly without any recourse by the water users. Now we have the No Tell Motel at Banning and Magnolia supported by the Chamber 4 soon to becoming to SEHB. Have been banned from several blogs.Lent is now over so let us all put our crosses away as you no longer need to carry them.What me worry.
And who is the champion of all the Chamber 4’s plans? Who does their social media dirty work?
*Everything was going so swimmingly.. and then you bring up Desal? Please, try another OX to gore like Pension Deficits and stuff that really affects the Taxpayer base. $15 Billion is chump change for a base of supply during the coming lean years……..which can be simply targeted to Commercial and Public use customers.
Huh? Nobody has banned you from Water Dissidents. Are you having trouble getting on there? I’ll message you.
How does the city decide who emcees and moderates and hosts local events? Do they post an announcement and then hold public interviews for these jobs? Or do they just keep awarding the same person the bulk of the opportunities over and over again?
If so that does not seem right. There are so many qualified people in Huntington Beach. No one person should hog most of the civic events.
Are entities through out the city just being lazy in making it a one-man show? Or is it something more than that?
For an example the next time the library needs a moderator they could hold auditions for the kids from local performing arts schools. Or anyone interested. If the city needs someone to write a plaque dedication why not have an essay contest for high school students and let the winner have a shot at the job? Or some of our many life time resident senior citizens? A first responder for the 9/11 memorial?
Or some other kind of fair, open and balanced job application accessible to ALL interested locals. How did the voice of only one person come to largely dominate local events in a city this large? What about diversity? Shouldn’t community events feature and benefit and include a much larger and varied swath of the community?
If people are currently calling for city audits than this local hiring process seems over ripe for it!
Add it all up: book talks at MWDOC, moderating library events, hosting gigs Visit HB tours and who knows what else.. How much revenue and appointments are being given to the same person? Over how many years? Is this tax payer money? That should all be disclosed.
Just agreeing with the idea put forth recently that all of these financial ties and monies from the city garnered by certain specific individuals should be made public and investigated.
Why dont you try finding a suitable replacement? Another veiled threat to try to fuck epting for having the balls to speak his mind by people that have no fucking balls whatsoever and cant handle an alternative perspective. Pathetic. Really.
Are you crying?
Also are you single? Because you read as quite classy, coherent, very emotionally attached to other men and hyper interested in balls.
C’est magnifique.
Dear in Need of Clarity,
It’s a dirty web. Why would someone work for a felon, assemble a team of criminals to attack Gina & OVSD, and then attack someone with unfounded allegations against them? Why is he so committed to taking these people down? Who has a financial interest in them being taken down?
Rainbow had the financial interest and they lost and the attacks died down. As Oak View becomes more gentrified, the area becomes more attractive to development and potential HDD. Who supports HDD? Is it those who publicly praise their social media “warrior?”
Ah, a reference to when disgraced former mayor and Chamber hanger-on Dave Garofalo, after being told Happy Birthday last year by Chris, responded “Thank you, warrior!”
Let’s be real. Chris needs the money. It’s not like he makes a lot from his books.
Things might be better now since he sold the house, but bills pile up when there’s not a lot of income coming in and he is the first one to raise his hand to sell himself to the lowest bidder. Doesn’t matter to him how low he has to go as long as he gets paid.
Dear Follow the Money,
Thank you for your response. It has a real ring of truth to it. It appears to be time for a full review of: how and why and to whom all these little gigs and perks are awarded? Who gets the assignment, who decides that they do, and how much are people making off of these seemingly reciprocal arrangements .Let’s really get to the bottom of how all of that shakes out.
CPRA? I imagine these appearances were never meant to become one person’s main source of income (in lieu of a job). Huntington Beach really should distribute all of these opportunities over a greater portion of the population. The city should also reveal a full past accounting. The hiring process should be transparent. And it needs to be opened up and more inclusive to all.
And if a person has accepted financial or other compensation of any kind for any reason in any amount from a business, utility, organization and so forth and then does not volunteer the potential conflict of interest from that alignment when pushing an agenda on their behalf, then they are supremely ethically challenged to say the very least. They lack integrity and cannot be trusted or taken seriously.
… to say the very least!
CPRA would be a good place to start. Bear in mind that it now covers the private email, texts, FB messages, etc. of public officials that pertain to official business.
Thank you, This is not an area of experience. Appreciate your guidance. Spoke with a lawyer this morning. Said there are laws about public notification for permanent job positions (at least that is how I understood it) but that because this is a string of one off type job opportunities that it may need to be investigated and pursued in a different fashion. And then there is the possible corruption element.
The very same columnist who has long claimed that GCT got him fired and “silenced” from the paper he worked at is currently trying to garner public support on HBCF to Email the OC Weekly and get Gustavo fired. And “silenced”. To “pressure the owner and advertisers”.
What happened to free speech? Fighting for everyone’s right to it whether or not you agree with their opinion? And “if you don’t like it don’t read it! Scroll past!” Thought it was all about personal choices and freedom? Not being politically correct or fragile. This sounds an awful lot like an effort to “ban” Gustavo!
Wait. Never mind. Don’t answer. This is probably “totally different” Right? It ALWAYS is…
His hypocrisy just won’t quit. Much seems to have dried up for Mr. Epting. Job opportunities, his bevy of blondes, any respect people ever had for him. He’s reduced to writing about Hall & Oates for a few thousand in advances and no royalties.
Let that sink in for a second, Hall & Oates.
And now he and Daly have an unholy alliance created in nothing but racial hatred. He’s trying to get Gustavo fired, but he might want to remember that most publishers don’t want their names associated with racists.
It’s a personality type / pattern that I’ve seen a lot:
1. Thinking “I would do this to me if I were so-and-so,” (e.g. complain to my publisher to get me fired) they convince themselves that that IS being done to them.
2. When the opportunity presents itself, doing the same thing “back” (e.g. complaining to THEIR publisher to get them fired), justifying it in their minds as simple tit-for-tat.
3. Lather, rinse, repeat.
So true. Sorta like how it’s always cheaters who think they are being cheated on. When #23 was booted he wailed on & on about the crime against humanity that was his inability to defend himself on there. Other people? Totally different story. The outrage, ethics and morality are a quick silver ever changing slippery beast with that one
Oh! And their reforged unholy alliance will never last. They have both publicly and privately stated truly awful things about the other. And it was about character, intellect, basic goodness or lack thereof (you know, the core of who a person really is stuff). Not any thing that changes without years of extensive deep therapy and maybe an exorcism.
On the credibility issue: If you claim to be a community forum and then regularly exclude members of that very community due to personal bias then that is false advertising. Maybe re brand your site as: A peak inside one real real dumb sad sack’s insular world of racism and virtual emporium of ugly thoughts and failed human interaction.
Not even the “HB” in “HBCF” is accurate. Many, many of those wing nuts do not live in Huntington Beach. Or California. Yuge Costa Mesa delegation. Bigly not HB people. Just very tremendously inflated numbers that (for some mysterious and tragic reason) matter oh so much to their sense of uh (throat clear) importance.
Yeah, Michael’s been telling me lately that “You were removed from the forum because you live in Anaheim now, Genius. DUH!” Of course this isn’t true in a couple of ways. When I got married and moved to Anaheim I told Michael; we were still friends; he said it was okay for me to stay (because as he well knows A LOT of people from outside of HB but with HB roots or interests are on the forum) and for me to please try not to piss off too many people. Admittedly, I pretty quickly started to piss off some people, and got booted.
I like to bring up SCOTT MALONI, tireless VP of Poseidon, who lives in Newport or somewhere south of there but is still allowed to be on both the HB Community Forum AND the HB Chamber of Commerce. Michael justifies that, “We just keep him on the forum in case we have any questions about Poseidon.” Um .. hello? That’s exactly what he SHOULDN’T be allowed to opine on.
Lemme see, I should pass on anything else interesting that MD told me yesterday, I mean apart from “FUCK YOU AND FUCK VICTOR, HOW’S THAT?” and “YOU ARE A CUCK.”
He claims that Victor was only removed from the forum because he’d blocked both Michael and his admin sidekick Yvonne Mauro; and also that the only reason Victor’s video got removed was because MD and Yvonne couldn’t see it. This all may be true.
Oh, and he says the reason he unfriended me is because I mentioned a conversation we had on MY Facebook page (not private) and he realized what an idiot he looked like. That was here http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2017/01/peeking-under-the-hb-hate-rock-early-2017/
“… I first heard that myth [that President Obama had encouraged illegal aliens to vote] recently from HB Community Forum founder Michael Daly, who takes it as gospel; when I challenged him on that he sent me a video from FOX News…
“SURPRISE, it’s a Travis Allen-sized lie! I know right, a lie from FOX News? That video was SHAMELESSLY edited to remove the President specifically emphasizing that undocumented immigrants can’t vote. Snopes provides both the full unedited transcript AND video. But when I sent that link to Daly, he refused to look at it, claiming that Snopes is “liberal.” That’s the world we’re living in now – everyone protecting themselves from facts that don’t fit their pre-conceptions. And everyone turns into Craig Frampton. [HB’s illiterate, Confederate court jester.]”
And Daly calls ME a “snowflake,” “victim,” “cuck.” He’s the one who couldn’t handle his own words being quoted.
Sorry for your troubles over there. Not sure about the side kick. Unless that’s the older lady with the early 80’s gauzy mall style glamour shot?
HBCF can be enjoyed in a very limited capacity if you just want to sit back and watch the unwarranted all-encompassing, never-wavering overconfidence of the truly stupid unfold. Witnessing this passel of pudgy illiterate underachievers, wretched attention-starved kooks and mentally stunted criminals humiliate themselves can be very enjoyable for a short time. Open the page and let the wave of angry, dumb, misinformed loudmouths crash over you. Pure comedy. Momentarily. But in the end they are such predictable and hate-filled bores it gets old really fast.
Before someone says; “Hey! Not everyone on that forum is a crass, lowlife, unemployable, ultra-nosy, racist, follower, borderline-retarded, conspiracy-theorist, amoral, spiritless, shut-in-and-money-from-the-state crazy person” … DUH! Not saying that they ALL are but if you ARE a crass, lowlife, unemployable, ultra-nosy, racist, follower, borderline-retarded, conspiracy-theorist, amoral, spiritless, shut-in-and-money-from-the-state crazy person in Huntington Beach who uses Facebook then you are probably on that forum.
As a general rule, polite society frowns upon calling attention to the foibles of the mentally addled, career failures, socially disadvantaged, unfortunate-looking and otherwise impaired members of civilization. This act of goodwill chooses not to call attention to their obvious deficiencies and affords the afflicted an extra layer of cultural protection during social interaction. Due to their limited capacities and obvious genetic bad luck much is ignored, much is excused and much forgiven.
Normally it would be considered very poor form to criticize such woeful dregs. But this endlessly loquacious yet empty headed, miserable minority of a dolorous crew is so deeply nasty, aggressive and racist that the usual guidelines need not apply.
So thank you, sirs, And please continue to document their odious behavior.
Jesus Vern, you ran out of fucking ideas? You decry Epting for what he posts and publishes and your fucking hit pieces are somehow intellectually superior? At the end of the day, if you surround yourself with people that agree with your every thought and tell you what you want to hear…you start believing every piece of bullshit that emerges from your pen or your mouth. You and your sycophants are no different than your polar opposites on the right….other than being wrong.
That’s actually good advice for a lot of people. But I already try to keep it in mind every day. You notice the variety of voices on this blog?
Yeah…and i notice the posts you censor when you dont like the content.
Simple repetition, and also simple obscenities, is not the way to get published.
Try content?
Yesterday Gustavo posted a little story about this latest desmadre, which I guess was the last straw leading to Epting trying to bring down the Weekly (jajajaja)
http://www.ocweekly.com/news/huntington-beach-mexicans-score-key-environmental-justice-victory-hb-losers-seethe-8045124
But I did have a few quibbles with Gustavo’s piece, which I expressed in Weekly comments:
1. I still say most of HB isn’t represented by the loud racists who dominate the HB Community Forum this year – not even most Forum members are. (Last year it was much better, when Chris was booted off and I was part of it.) For example look at Gina’s huge win – Oak View doesn’t have THAT many voters. (And if you’re wondering why Chris got welcomed back to the Forum, it’s because over the past half year, the feeling of white victimhood and “reverse racism” began to take hold of the previously reasonable Michael Daly – it was a sad thing to witness.)
2. I wouldn’t have reprinted so many Epting lies, as Gustavo does, (even just to show what a hysterical racist he is) without saying that they’re lies and how. For example:
– The supposedly pampered Oak View does not have TWO code enforcement officers, it has only one – after fighting real hard to get rid of the previous one who wasn’t doing jack shit.
– Oscar is not an “illegal,” he’s a citizen, a voter, and a Democratic Party of OC alternate. (To be fair, he just laughs that off and says “What if I was?”)
– The allegations against Victor of “wife beating” are just that, allegations from an angry ex-wife during a difficult divorce, not proven, and should not be re-broadcast even here.
– The mini-controversy that led to this story – that environmental lawsuit – began with more Epting lies – the lies that Victor or Gina had anything to do with it, that they profited from it, and that that’s how they’re able to travel around the country and state doing political work (because how else could brown people afford a plane ticket?)
– Most of the lies that Epting tells every day are about Gina Clayton-Tarvin, but none of those are mentioned in Gustavo’s story so I’ll save ’em for my blog.
3. I disagree with Victor that HB needs district elections. It is not Anaheim. If he thinks it’ll give Latinos more of a voice somehow, as it did in Anaheim, he’s wrong. I hope to convince him not to waste his time on this, among other things it won’t succeed. Gina and John Earl both agree with me on this. I could go on about the reasons, but I’ll do it at the Orange Juice.
Wish I’d seen this before, it woulda made a much more appropriate illustration: Daly covering his eyes with tiny Trumplike hands…
[Insults Vern. Greg deletes it. Next!]
But I thought it was funny, cuz it was so dumb. I approved it.
Very big of you.
Have you seen HBCF 2.0? M Daly free zone
https://facebook.com/groups/HuntingtonBeachCommunityForum/
Hmmmm… Does a tale hang there?
It says “This goup IS NOT run by right-wing extremist neocons!”
heh, I wonder if they’d let me re-join for old times’ sake. Is Epting still there?
That remind me. He wants me to call him. You want to call him instead?
Nah, you do the honors. If you wanna.
HBCF 2.0… not Daly’s HBCF
There are two