Weeks of drenching water and the Martin Luther King, Jr. Day holiday weekend. The Martin Luther King, Jr. Day holiday weekend and weeks of drenching water. Is there a theme for this open thread? Ahhh, here we go:
“We will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.’s statement from his address at Lincoln Memorial was a take on the Bible verse Amos 5:24 — on which he often riffed — that has a variety of delightful translations, from the staid archaic to the informally paraphrased contemporary:
King James Version: “But let judgment run down as waters, and righteousness as a mighty stream.”
American Standard Version: “But let justice roll down as waters, and righteousness as a mighty stream.”
One might readily wonder: what precedes the “But” at the beginning of this (and many other) translations?
Some suggest that Amos 5:24 must be read in the context of Amos 5:21-23, in which the prophet purports to speak with the voice of God:
21: ‘I loathe your festivals; I reject your assemblies;
22: I do not accept your burnt offerings or your meal offerings; I pay no heed to your
offerings of fatlings;
23: Remove from Me the sound of your songs; and let Me not hear the music of your lutes.’
And that’s when we get to letting justice rolling down like waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream.
A note to Christian readers: I know that many of you believe that all admonitions from the Hebrew Bible were overridden by the acceptance of the divinity of Jesus as the necessary and sufficient basis for salvation. But we’re not talking about salvation here: we’re talking about social justice — you know, the concept that professed Christian MAGA Republicans in Congress and elsewhere spend so much their time mocking — and what does or does not please God. I’ve studied the Christian Bible, and Jesus’ calls for social justice, rather than for the sorts of public performances described in 5:21-23, seem pretty much in synch with Amos, right?
Our state has been experiencing the waters rushing down these past weeks — a phrase that suffers from its ambiguity as regards waters, which perhaps might better be translated as “a deluge.” The notion of a “mighty stream” seems to me like a worse translation, because streams (though enough for the very young, feeble, and intoxicated to drown in) are generally thought of as calm and meandering rather than mighty and swift, like a river. I will be guided by the fury expressed in Amos 5:21-23 in translated verse 24 as:
But let justice pour down like a deluge, righteousness flow like a mighty river.
That, I suspect, is more the level of power that Dr. King had in mind. And we, less so than our cousins to the north, have a better sense of all that that means than usual.
That power, the downpour of social justice, is intended to be destructive — and in the best possible way. Destructive of the liars and hypocrites, destructive of those who benefit from and reinforce injustice.
This isn’t my idea; I’m taking it from a 2016 article in the Journal of Scriptural Reasoning — not usually my cup of tea, but on Dr. King’s birthday I broaden my horizons — by Thomas P. Dixon, of the Princeton Theological Seminary. It addresses on Dr. King, and Amos Chapter 5, and Psalm 46 (to be addressed soon) under the title “Breaking the Backbone of Oppressive Power: Martin Luther King, Jr., the State, and the Wrath of God.”
Dixon notes that, compared to Amos 5, “fewer recall his use of Psalm 46 as a warning to unjust leaders that God would ‘rise up and break the backbone’ of their power.” He continues:
“King speaks Scripture to proclaim that God works outside the walls of the church in judgment for the establishment of justice, even when—or expressly when—the church does not live up to its calling. Here King makes another appeal to Ps. 46:10:”
God comes in the picture even when the Church won’t take a stand. God has injected a principle in this universe. God has said that all men must respect the dignity and worth of all human personality, “And if you don’t do that, I will take charge.” It seems this morning that I can hear God speaking. I can hear Him speaking throughout the universe, saying, “‘Be still, and know that I am God.’ And if you don’t stop, if you don’t straighten up, if you don’t stop exploiting people, I’m going to rise up and break the backbone of your power. And your power will be no more!
We are not called upon, in King’s view, to passively await the downpour of waters and the mightification of the humble stream. We are supposed to embody it, make it happen, break the backbone of the oppressive power structure. (This is called “the prophetic voice” for good reason!)
So, during a fortnight-to-a-month where we are trembling at the destructive power of water, let us tremble all the more at the the destructive power of God (whom I choose to employ at least as a metaphor on this holiday weekend.) Read Dixon’s powerful article. If “God does not suffer fools gladly,” we may suppose that neither does God suffer knaves.
About that question of whether we’re going to get deluges a lot more than previously, I have a couple of good articles for you.
The first article came out before the recent water onslaught, and addresses the prospect of another California “Megaflood,” which turned the Central Valley into a lake for a while back in 1862.

The second article gets more deeply into the science at hand.
One thing that neither paper addresses (at least so far as I’ve seen) is how we can protect ourself from the worst of, and even make the best of, these sorts of destructive storms. Everyone seems to be convinced that we should do a better job of saving water from deluges for a less rainy day — rather than letting it flow into the ocean. I haven’t looked deeply into how people propose that we can do this — or into whether it can be done in a way that neither (1) unduly despoils the environment, (2) multiplies the numbers of mosquitos or other water-breeding pests, nor (3) makes the rich richer (and probably the poor poorer, even if perhaps less thirsty for a time. We seem to have missed our opportunity here this year, but — now that we know what’s potentially coming — does anyone know what water storage ideas are, uh, “floating around”?
This is your highly saturated Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. Weekend Open Thread. Talk about that, or whatever else you’d like within reasonable bounds of discretion, decorum, and dryness.
Let justice roll down like an atmospheric river, and righteousness as a bomb cyclone.
2023 translation.
Verily, amen.
*The Biden Probe? Hmmm. How about matching up the evidence against Trump to the evidence against Joe? How about those charges by Senator Johnson about Hunter buying $30K in Sex Trafficing from Ukraine, with part of the $100K, that Joe lent him? And what about the Jeffrey Epstein connection with The Trumpster? How about a Probe on that?
Did somebody say “Let Justice Roll Down Like a River?” Would that include Melahat taking a plea deal? After eight long months of denying any wrongdoing, claiming that the FBI is “wrong or misspoke,” and that she only wore a wire out of a “sense of patriotism?”
‘Member this LibOC “blog exclusive?” https://theliberaloc.com/2022/05/22/rafiei-resigns-from-cdp-and-dnc/
” I must recognize that controversies created by sensationalist press reports about me have become a distraction from the important work of the party…
Those reports are largely speculative and often flat out wrong: I have never attempted to improperly influence any elected official, and I am certain the work I undertook to root out corruption was in the best interest of the people of this state and the Democratic Party…
“It was, in fact, my dedication to these principles that led me to accept the request by federal investigators and prosecutors to serve as a cooperating witness in an ongoing investigation to uncover corruption among Republican operatives and elected officials in the city of Anaheim. I was not compelled to cooperate. Any assertions to the contrary are false. I chose to assist federal investigators and prosecutors out of a sense of duty and patriotism.”
She IS a good writer, LOL. I remember when she ghost-wrote Jordan Brandman’s attack on me for my Avelino Vendido song. NOW, eight months later, she’s all:
““I have never hesitated to stand in the dark with others to help them navigate their way through difficult situations. I can only hope that, given my contributions and achievements, my life and legacy will not be defined by this painful chapter, and that in time, my life will evolve well beyond this moment.”
We’ll have more to say about this shortly…
Like a reflex test where the doctor bangs on your knee with a little hammer, or like a dog to the scene of its vomit, here comes the Liberal OC with Melahat’s symphonic apologia.
https://theliberaloc.com/2023/01/19/statement-from-melahat-rafiei-on-plea-agreement/
Chubby is an expert at being wrong. Examples:
1. Farrah Khan is not racist against Armenians.
2. Melahat was not arrested.
3. Irvine is not involved in FBI investigation.
He’s gonna have a lot “more to say on this next week.” 1) I can just imagine; but 2) I can’t imagine.
One thing’s for sure, he will spend a lot of time trashing Melahat’s critics. And doing various forms of whataboutism.
(Greg piece ready – I hope – later today; I’ll have a couple fun ones too.)
Whataboutism. The panacea of the pitiful pud
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Bullseye.
Hey Neshanian: The cold war between Armenia and Azerbaijan seems to be heating up as Putin can no longer spare peacekeepers down there to help protect Armenia (or whatever they’ve been doing.)
We’ll give you a chance to write your own story about this. Play it as straight as you can. If you can’t at least represent the arguments on both sides, we’ll have to get some Azeri or Turk to write their own counterpoint, but I believe that you’re up to the task. (Nevertheless: “Trust, but verify! And excise excesses during editing!)
Oh myopic booby one, my neighbors are hanging images of Ataturk at parks and schools and Irvine city functions and my Mayor is in bed with foreign interests. Oh, and I’m family with an Armenian war hero who was martyred liberating Artsakh in the early 1990s causing the conflict to freeze. Outcome to br mediated by world powers – USA, France and Russia. USA lost track of being neutral and then funded Azerbaijan to the tune of 100s of millions included military aid even whilst country was and is flush with oil money that it uses to bribe politicos.
Traditional Christians (ie pre 19th century denominations) use the Old Testament when it suits us and feel free to ignore the parts that make us squirm. Yes, the New Testament prevails as a matter of Doctrinal Supremacy. But this particular Christian commentator has become especially inspired and emboldened by the O.T. and especially the Book of Proverbs after suffering the past eight (8) months from vicious attacks and illegal exposure of this writers personal information – by a vindictive public figure who just can’t take accountability for their improper behavior.
So this writer is grateful for much of the O.T. writings as they’ve become one of the daily pills to swallow that make life easier. This writer is now swallowing more pills (legally) to cope with the stress of one certain person’s actions. Still, there are no regrets. The time is always right to do that which is Right.
Off to meditate on the Amos verse…..it will give me my daily high. Getting drunk on the word is always better than succumbing to drugs or the bottle.
Is Wagner mic’d up? Inquiring minds want to know?
How many attorneys were on city council in 2018??? Hmm . Things that make you go hmmmm. Is Wagner a rata?
It should be noted Mx Muss – who typically eschews the very term “Mx” as gender neutral woke garbage- has been advised by every lawyer,including G.A.D. that laying low is in their best interest. Because the one person exposed by Mx Muss will sic their army of trolls in a heartbeat. So it’s better to be safe than sorry. Still recovering from Trauma here …
You’ve probably heard by now that Kim Bernice Nguyen will be running against Michelle Steel for Congress, and now the Liberal OC trolls are fantasizing that me and Greg are upset about that.
Well if Kim is the Democrat who can beat the absolutely odious Steel, then good for Kim!
I don’t think that the vastly more suitable Jay Chen has made a decision about the race. I*’m not upset about her running, and I’d endorse her over Steel if they made the Top Two, but she strikes me as someone who has neither a lot of virtue either as a prospective legislator or as a campaigner deft enough to survive the withering attacks of the (Shawn) Steel machine. If she and Jay both run, Jay will be double-reamed in the primary, because the Steels would surely rather run against her.
Whoever things otherwise, I challenge you to post videos of her best speeches — especially of any that require impromptu answers.
She IS fucking smart and quick. Me and Donna fell for her “progressive” shtick when she debated Pulido and Contreras for Supervisor. I’m sure she could kick Michelle’s ass.
But yeah… if Jay runs I’m with him. Much more honest and REALLY progressive.
From the VOC story:
The only thing more brilliant than taking out more bonds on the Great Park after interest rates have gone way up is starting up a partnership with a now-generally-reviled company just as Congress begins antitrust investigations about its monopolistic practices.
I do have to admit that that part of Irvine could use a venue for live music. Oh, wait….