Thank god Murtha the Despicable is gone. But that is really not just compensation for the travesty the Democrats have wrought on our fighting men and women, individual freedoms and basic decency. Look and listen as Democrats go through the weak pretense of following their own parliamentary rules.
I expect the Usual Apologists to come out and talk about the GOP and how they did the same thing. Hey, fine. So the Democrats are saying they aren’t any better than the GOP. So what do we need them for? The American people now trust the GOP more on the economy, health care (with Independents falling heavily 45 to 29), taxes, and immigration. What exactly are the selling points the Democrats can scare up to earn their job?
“I expect the Usual Apologists to come out and talk about the GOP and how they did the same thing.”
No, I’m going to come out and talk about how truly tasteless, how incredibly lacking in class it is for you to express gratitude over Murtha’s passing.
Yeah, what does Murtha know about the military?
Show some respect for a soldier, veteran, and Bronze Star recipient. Your willingness to trash those who have honorably served, when it suits your needs, speaks volumes about how much you “respect” our soldiers. Clearly, nothing is off limits in your pursuit of crass partisanship.
This Usual Apologist will say that as far as earmarks and corruption go, the Democrats have long been much less corrupt than the Republicans, even with the late lamented Earmark Glutton Mr. Murtha in charge of Defense Appropriations.
Now that he’s been replaced with Mr. Dicks (D-WA), we are SUBSTANTIALLY better than the Republicans, who are now the party of Ken Calvert and Gary Miller. The House Democrats have just banned corporate earmarks (leaving in place earmarks for schools etc.) Of course the House Republicans, in their theatrical/obstructive way are saying no dice, it’s gotta be ALL earmarks banned. Yeah, right. How many years did they have the majority, and did nothing but ride the gravy train.
I would also echo anon and ww as to Terry’s character, but we don’t really look to Terry for class or humanity, do we?
And let’s remember why Terry REALLY hates Murtha, who was a very complicated political figure: He hates Murtha for Murtha’s greatest moment – when the highly respected and decorated veteran came out against the stupid illegal war in Iraq, making other Democrats feel safe to do the same. THAT’S why Terry and other Republicans hate Murtha. He helped bring a slow end to the bloodbath.
Tell us about your service, Terry. Which service were you in? What years, what units? Your MOS? Where’d you serve overseas? Did you serve as honorably as Rep. Dana Rohrbacher, who graduated from college in 1969 (same year as me, at the height of the VietNam war? Dana is a real Republican American patriot who fully, completely, wholeheartedly supports sending our young soldiers, sailors, and marines into battle in the middle east. Check Dana’s website to review his service. What’s yours, Terry?
“…we don’t really look to Terry for class or humanity, do we?”
I dunno, I try to give people the benefit of the doubt. But I’m beginning to doubt the existence of a soul in Mr. Crowley.
why is it that progressives = aka libreals always use the illegal war saying . didnt the dems sign off on it too .
Yes, Grate One. We are still bitter at how many Democrats, mostly out of cowardice, voted for Operation Iraqi Fiefdom, and we never let them forget it. Kerry. Hillary. Edwards. Biden. Dodd. Black marks on all of them even if they’ve done a lot of good at other times.
Grate One,
On the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002…
Nays by Dems in the House = 126
Nays by Repubs in the House = 1
Nays by Dems in the Senate = 21
Nays by Repubs in the Senate = 1
That hardly amounts to the Dems “signing off” on the authorization. The problem is, as Vern alludes to, is the weak-kneed Dems who think it’s politically disadvantageous to be painted as “weak” on defense and national security…when the REAL problem is they’re weak on being true to their principles.
I’ll give you a chance Terry. Why do you think Murtha is despicable?
Yeah, Thank God he’s gone.
A guy from working class roots who quit college in the fifties to enlist, served as Drill Seargent, after his stint stayed on as a Marine Reserve.
Then lo and behold he signs up for WAR in Vietnam. He earns a Bronze Star, a distingished service medal.
He continues to serve his country in Congress for forty years.
What a dirtbag. Terry, I wish there were more Chicken hawks like Cheney, Bush and Rumsfeld to lead us into war. Since you are a Veteran too Terry, I expected more respect for the dead.
kenlaysnotdead,
Well said. But Terry’s dad did serve in the U.S. Army. Terry grew up on various Army bases all over the world…
I was about to say… I didn’t have the impression Terry was a veteran. Somehow…
Thought so. I suspected Terry was a bit like Dana. Dana poses for photos with the military, he didn’t serve with them.
1. John Murtha was one of the most corrupt members of Congress. Ever. Look at all these shill apologists talking about this scumbag. What a meandering crew! LOL!
You’ve got the PMA, Kuchera, KSA, and Concurrent scandals, got his nephew a 4$ million kickback, oh and don’t forget ABSCAM.
2. Then there was the “slandering” of the Marines at Haditha. Remember Vern, slander is spoken. Libel is written.
So he was like John Kerry, he served in the Vietnam. Used to be Progressives had the integrity to pretend like that wasn’t a great place to be. When you or your folks were children those soldiers were baby killers. Now its a badge of courage. Is that the only cover Democrats need these days? How about honesty, integrity, decency? Any of the four cardinal virtues would be nice.
You are all so lost in your cloud of dogma. Pathetic. What a rotten despicable turd Murtha was, and how angry you all are that the world knows it.
http://open.salon.com/blog/saturn_smith/2010/02/08/rip_john_murtha_american_corruption_at_its_finest
Idiot. Distinctions are so hard for you, when you are gripped by hate (which seems to be when you’re breathing.)
1. Vietnam and Iraq were both wars that shouldn’t have happened and were based on lies. But guys who signed up to serve their country, even during wars we disagree with, are both brave and honorable (providing they didn’t participate in sadistic war crimes.)
2. The My Lai Massacre in Vietnam and the Haditha Massacre in Iraq were sadistic war crimes in which large numbers of noncombatant men, women and children were killed by US forces in revenge and frustration. It was accurate for our forbears to call the commander and troops at My Lai “baby killers.” And what Murtha said about the Haditha marines was also unfortunately accurate, much as it pissed off you chickenhawk warmongers.
3. Kerry and Murtha both volunteered to serve their country, which was brave and honorable of them even if we disagree with those two wars. They both served with extra distinction which is why they were both decorated. And they both showed integrity after serving – Kerry by speaking out against the Vietnam War, and Murtha by trying to stop the War in Iraq. Which is why chickenhawks like Terry hate them both.
4. You haven’t heard me deny Murtha’s corruption in Congress; I called him the Earmark Glutton in my comment above. I dont’ know WHAT’s going on in the video you put up or what year or context it is, I guess we’re supposed to be mad at how mean he is to poor Sensenbrenner; whom yes I do remember precisely Sensenbrenner doing the same thing to Democrats around ’05 when he had the majority.
5. None of us are “shills” – such a stupid overused word. To be shills for Murtha we would need to secretly be in his pay somehow while speaking out for him.
6. You’ve probably heard me use the word “slander” and “slanderous” when the precise legalistic term would be “libel” or “libelous.” Yeah, that’s a decision I made, I like the sound of it better. If we’re not discussing an actual legal proceeding, then I don’t see any real difference between speech and writing, so when you say or write something – as you love to do – that’s both knowingly false and harmful, you may hear me say “slanderous.” I just like the sound of that better than “libelous,” maybe it’s the musician in me. Slanderous hack.
Cheers.
Vern
What a moron. A libeler and a coward. No wonder I feel like I’m on the rack spending time listening to you rant.
You use that simpleton term “straw man” when that is your favorite tactic. I am forever amazed at the loss of brainpower it takes to talk about something else to avoid the subject.
I couldn’t have cared less about Murtha being in this video, actually. This is all a side note as far as I’m concerned, because Progressives know people can see Congressional leadership in action under them. Again, comebacks about the GOP are useless. If there’s no difference, what have you got to sell to the American people? Not health care, security, taxes, immigration… the list goes on…
The matter of Murtha is settled. You are a wee little loser and a pathetic child of the blame America first crowd if you don’t get it. I don’t want to include you in the crowd of other normal people, so I really never want to correct your thinking. Keep on keepin on, as I say. Nowhere do people defend this troglodyte other than the die hards on this blog, from what I could find. That salon link was the nicest one I could find, and it calls him “the reigning champion of corruption”.
You pink-burqas hide behind someone who went into the military and think that makes an argument. Astounding. Waste of time to reply. You libel the marines, as what you IMAGINE happened, actually didn’t. That happens most of the time. Reality and Progressives don’t mix.
Read:
What Happened at Haditha
The massacre that wasn’t, and its political exploitation.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110010752
You don’t see any difference between speech and writing because you don’t know the difference. When you lie, I call it libel here. I don’t call it slander because I don’t want to hear it come out of your mouth. Get the difference?
What an angry, pathetic little man Vern-boy. Enjoy your little fits of rage. What fun it is to watch. Not a single happy tune.
By the by, another definitional correction for our would-be journalist. (This is getting to be a habit, Vern) A shill is 1) a poser who decoys others into participating 2) publicizes or praises for self interest.
You SHILL for Murtha, to decoy others into joining your hopeless defense of the indefensible, and you SHILL for health care because you have a self-interest in being given health care paid for by the rest of us.
Two indictments, one statement. Nice.
Integrity and decency? You expect that from others when you’re unable to to display it when making a tactless comment about a man who just passed away.
Take a look in the mirror, hypocrite.
One wonders if any of these mouthpieces will be able to muster up the same breastbeating the day someone like Rush Limbaugh is laid to rest.
With the way these fools talk about Cheney, Rush, Justice Thomas, et al and anyone else they work up into a foam over, doubt it!
Personally, you are all investing in a culture I am not interested in and I hope you all die screaming of rectal cancer. (my favorite Sean Penn wack job quote of the week)
Ahh, so now we’re on to the “Sean Penn said it so it’s OK for me to say it” system of logic. Person A does it, so I’m going to do it.
Other people will gloat over the deaths of people like Limbaugh, Cheney, etc. so it’s OK for me to do what I did.
Behold, the thought process of those lacking decency.
You apparently only read the top couple sentences of a comment, so let’s try this:
I’ve never defended Mr. Murtha’s record of corruption and greed.
I defend his military service, his bold turn against the war in Iraq, and his controversial statements against the actions at Haditha.
Distinctions! A difficult thing. You need to have a certain IQ (Or at least calm down your turbulent emotions sufficiently to use that IQ.)
I’ve noticed this pattern with you (and some others) – a really goofy rhetorical trick that’s probably not named yet (Appeal To Websters?) You really think you make a point when you put up the dictionary definition of a word; I suppose you look at that definition on your screen with satisfaction, murmuring “unimpeachable” to yourselves. “Who can argue with that? It’s in the dictionary!” While meanwhile anyone reading the definition and your comments can see that you’re still not making your point.
Problem is, you think you hit pay dirt with “decoy” and “poser.” But there is no decoy or poser going on. I really believe what I’m saying, even if you think I’m wrong, and I’m not profiting from it in any way. I’m pretty sure I never called YOU a shill or a decoy or a poser, even if I think you’re a psycho and a liar and driven mostly by hate and fear.
And no I have NO (self-)interest in having you pay for my health care. I would like a public option that I can pay for with my own premium dollars without having 30%-40% go to insurance profits and marketing while not even being sure I’ll be covered when I need it. That is reasonable, I say what I mean, no shilling here.
So ZERO indictments on your part, buckaroo. Plenty SLANDER though. (Defintion #2 in American Heritage: “A false and malicious statement or report about someone.” Only definition #1 is confined to speech. In Random House it’s only definition #3 that’s confined to speech. #1 is “defamation, calumny” and #2 is “a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report.” I’m on solid ground per usual. Slander slander slander slander slander.)
If you’ll excuse me, I’ve got to go shill for Phu Nguyen for a few hours. I’ll be back later to see how you further pollute the discourse. Can’t hardly wait…
The ground under you slicks with the slime you perpetuate. You haven’t proven anything in the above statement. As much as it pains me, I do read the whole thing boy-chick.
You perspire about distinctions, but have no clue as to the power of definitions. Truth is all about DEFINITIONS. When someone comes back and LIES about Vietnam (no one else with Kerry saw anything he falsely testified to before the Senate) or Murtha lies about Marines, its ok because they were in the military themselves?
You PINK BURQAS are a mad hen motley crue. This discussion is a waste of time. I’m pretty sure I hadn’t commented on your deranged state of mind until lately, when your shrillness became acute. Maybe you haven’t called ME a shill, but you have accused me of taking money for insurance companies, and just about everything else under the sun. I am sure you’re grown up enough to take it.
No, Vern, I think you SHILL. I don’t think you ARE a shill. A drunk and a loser, certainly. But you don’t have enough impact to actually shill for anything beyond this BLOG.Drunks and losers unite against psychos, liars and fearmongers!!
LOL Hear hear anon! Hey, who crossed out Terry’s last paragraph? I liked it. If Terry didn’t cross it out himself, uncross it.
I enjoy looking at threads like this as though I were a third person, and imagining who I would think has the best arguments, and who comes off like just a dick. All I’m sayin’.
Oh. It was a great day for Phu-shilling. Loretta, Lou and Jose were all here, and we went walking with mailers. Lots of nice Democrats and Independents in Fountain Valley, and some very interesting trees.
Shhessh, I almost forgot about that other guy, John Kerry who ACTUALLY served in Vietnam Terry.
Thanks for reminding me.
Terry,
Lost in your name calling and hyperbole is the fact that you originally linked Murtha’s image (i.e. the one you don’t care about) to, “the travesty the Democrats have wrought on our fighting men and women.”
Contrary to your bait and switch, this is what you are getting flack about. You pimp soldiers when it suits your ideology, but trash them when they don’t. And then you have the gall to get indignant when people call you on it, and whine about Murtha’s congressional record. Yellow journalism (if you can call it that) at its absolute worst.
Go get ’em Vern. Glad you’re here. I myself don’t want to piss off Terry too much ’cause he really is a pretty darn competent webmaster.
SAHS teacher,
Yes he is! Too bad Terry is in Colorado. If he were here we could all go out for a beer and I am sure that Terry and Vern would get along quite well. Alas the continental divide…
Well, let’s hit the reset button. What was this post actually about? (It’s not a good sign that we have to put our heads together to figure it out.)
I believe Terry is using a video of Murtha behaving in what looks like an undemocratic way, to make a point about how antidemocratic Congressional Democrats are, on the eve of them possibly (at long last!) using the time-honored reconciliation process to get around the endless Republican filibustering and obstruction on ABSOULTELY EVERYTHING. Lame. Doesn’t fly. Sorry.
A couple notes:
I had never heard Jack Murtha called a “Progressive” before. But I suppose to someone like Crowley, anyone to the left of Dick Cheney (e.g. Lindsey Graham, several iterations of John McCain) is a “Progressive.”
We know nothing about the year or the context of this video, but I’m guessing it came in 2006 right after the Dems regained power and Murtha regained his chairmanship from poor little Sensenbrenner, whom we see meekly asking for consideration here. In other words, it was soon after this 2005 scene, where the same Sensenbrenner played the antidemocratic tyrant. As far as I know, it was probably Murhta’s direct response to this incident. (And Terry feared we might figure that out, that’s why he came up with the supremely lame second paragraph pre-emptively cutting off “GOP does the same” with some irrelevant poll results he likes.)
Poor little Sensenbrenner, when HE was chairman of that committee:
Wow, Vern brings up a Republican like a smoke screen thinking that makes any difference. I will repeat slowly and carefully for Vern-boy:
So the Democrats aren’t any different. Then what do we need them for?
Like Vern admitted, he knows nothing about the context or the setting of his little tidbit, so it means nothing. And he knows it. This is always Verns context: Talk about something else.
Now, Vern likes to talk about distinctions, so let me try and beat this into his thick head.
[The president] shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States . . . . [U.S. Constitution, Article II, section 2, clause 2]
When Democrats used the filibuster, they were specifically using it to prohibit a constitutionally prescribed duty. They were not doing their job.
In this case, Progressives can think they’ve invented a special duty of the Senate, but it doesn’t rise to the level of an enumerated duty.
Sorry, no comparison. That’s what doesn’t fly. Lazy thinking again Vern. That’s becoming a habit.
And if you ever want to remember what it is you ought to be talking about rather than whatever irrelevance you’ve meandered into, don’t waste your time putting several progressive heads together. Just ask me. Happy to help the underperforming.
Teacher
Is this one of those, “I hate the war, love the soldiers” drollery? All those “This war is lost” and “marines are killers” recitations hang around the necks of all those who repeat such canards.
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The insults Democrats hurled on the men and women of the military is simply fact. Me pointing it out is not pimping soldiers. Its you lacking the courage to accept it. You thinking you can beat your chest and say a ducks not a duck, thats not flack. Thats just you looking pathetic. You don’t change the character of your words and actions because of what you can say about someone else.
So the Democrats aren’t any different. Then what do we need them for?
Yeah I know, I’ve heard you say that line three times now. We need them because they’re not as bad as Republicans, and sometimes do the right thing.
Like Vern admitted, he knows nothing about the context or the setting of his little tidbit, so it means nothing.
So big guy, why the f**k don’t you GIVE us that context? Or you don’t even know yourself? What the hell is this video supposed to mean? I made a valiant guess! Are you about nothing but obfuscation?
And what does Murtha have to do with “progressives?”
Yeah, as I thought. Nothing. Crickets. Terry doesn’t even know what this video is about, which he thought was so worth sharing.