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Traffic on our 405. Now imagine if the only people who could use those two left lanes - going either way - were cars with three people in them, or those who could afford to pay a hefty toll.
Cutting to the chase, briefly: The OCTA is eager to convert the two left lanes of the 405, from the 605 to the 73, into what we’re calling “Lexus Lanes” – reserved for either those who can afford a toll which is likely to be pretty steep, or cars with three or more riders – leaving the rest of us plebeians, even two-rider cars, stuck in the remaining right lanes which will be more congested than ever. And the LAST CHANCE for the public to let their feelings about this be known will be this Thursday, 6-8 pm, at the Fountain Valley Senior Center, 17967 Bushard (at Talbert.)
Don’t feel bad, I didn’t know about this myself, until I went to Saturday’s Flag Day bash at the Teamsters Hall. Even though I first went to the wrong union hall and was too late to play the piano, I KNEW something positive would come of showing up, besides getting the stink-eye from Jose Solorio and Tom Daly, and stealing Sharon Quirk-Silva’s award.
And what happened was, as part of his acknowledgement of all the elected officials there, Teamster “Godfather” Ray Cordova pointed out someone I hadn’t met or heard of – Diana Lee Carey – who holds two volunteer positions, as one of five members of Westminster’s Traffic Commission, and as the Chairwoman of the I-405 Freeway Commission. And Ray, who is prone to hyperbole, introduced her as the “one person who is standing between us and a 405 toll road.” As it turned out it wasn’t really much of a hyperbole after all.
Immediately me and Diamond turned to each other. “Who’s doing THIS story, you or me?” demanded the feisty lawyer. In Orange Juice tradition we “Rochambeaued” for it, much to Sharon’s consternation. Long story short I won the privilege of going over to meet the exemplary public servant. And now I will share with you what I learned from Diana Lee Carey. Now PAY ATTENTION, this is important, and we don’t have much time left!
One of these three alternatives IS GOING to happen:
Our stretch of the 405 is known as the busiest stretch of freeway in the nation, perhaps in the world. For years OCTA has been considering various plans to mitigate the congestion, in a way that should last us till the year 2045. (And I’m betting that by 2045 our transportation will be MUCH different, given peak oil, and the inevitability of high speed rail and other modern mass transportation.)
In 2006, we Orange County citizens made the rare move of voting to raise our own sales tax – with Measure M – that’s how much we wanted transportation improvement. The proceeds were to be split 43% to freeways, 25% for public transportation, and 32% for roads. So this thing IS going to happen, and the voters asked for it, and paid for it. The only question is which of these three alternatives we are going to choose, one of which will be carried out from 2015 to 2019:
- ALTERNATIVE 1: Add One General Purpose Lane in Each Direction from I-605 from to EUCLID – cost $1.3 billion.
- ALTERNATIVE 2: Add TWO General Purpose Lanes, etc. for only 100 million more – cost $1.4 billion.
- ALTERNATIVE 3: Express Facility Alternative (Similar to 91 Freeway Toll Facility) Add one toll lane to the existing carpool lane, GOING FROM THE 605 ALL THE WAY TO THE 73, and one general purpose lane (a la Alternative 1.) The toll and 3+ carpool lanes will be managed together as an Express Facility.
***EUPHEMISM ALERT!*** You don’t need a pricey focus group run by Frank Luntz to tell you that most people don’t like the sound of “toll road.” So now they call it “Express Facility.” REMEMBER THAT! We at the OJ pride ourselves in making you aware of the latest political euphemisms. “EXPRESS FACILITY” = TOLL LANES!!!
OK, one of the first things I wanted to know was, how many people are going to be displaced from their homes and businesses with all this freeway widening? And the surprising answer is – virtually none! (With the exception of three businesses at Magnolia in Fountain Valley – Boomers, Days Inn, and the skating rink. Sorry boys… we salute you.) This is due to the amazing work of a Westminster traffic engineer to whom I’ll give a shout-out below, as well as the laudable flexibility of 2005-era OCTA. So THAT worry’s gone.
Diana, and I, and most people who hear about this, prefer Alternative 2. We don’t want toll lanes, or the greater expense of Alternative 3, but compare 2 to 1! What anti-government-spending zealot would stand in a store and see “One lane for 13 bucks, two for 14!” and not jump on the good deal? After all, I understand most of the expense will be in rebuilding all the bridges, which will have to happen with any of these alternatives.
But at this point, most of the OCTA board, at the urging of their administrative director Will Kempton, is tilting toward Alternative 3, because of the money that will come in from tolls – and, beyond and bigger that that, the fact that HAVING this toll income will allow them to qualify for more and bigger BONDS at lower interest. Bonds? Personally I don’t like the sound of bonds, aren’t those things that our kids have to pay off? From what I understand (though I may learn more) we should be able to fund these improvements with the revenue from our Measure M sales tax. I hear that we’re halfway there already, and we’ve still got seven more years till the project’s finished.
Also I should mention two things OCTA is NOT being up front about, according to the tireless Ms Carey: They won’t say what the toll on this “express facility” might be, but we know that it will be based on what’s called “congestion pricing,” based on the level of traffic, and the promise of getting a car from the 605 to the 73 at rush hour in under 15 minutes. Thus we can assume that it will be comparable to the cost of the toll lanes on the 91, which are $9.75.
Another thing that is whispered quietly but not admitted publicly: Eventually even the 3+ cars will have to pay a toll, albeit a reduced one.
And then there’s the problem of EXITS off this “express facility.” You know how you’re always having a hard time getting out of a carpool lane as it is, without either breaking the law by crossing the double line, or hurtling past your offramp while cursing? Well, as originally planned, there was only gonna be ONE exit between the 605 and 73 – at MAGNOLIA. Miss Westminster Civic Pride Diana, while opposing Alternative 3 altogether, had the influence to make sure that if it DID happen there would also be an exit at GOLDENWEST, saving the Westminster Mall’s bacon. But COSTA MESA IS GONNA BE SCREWED. NO WAY to get to South Coast Plaza if you’re stuck in the Lexus Lanes. The Lexus Lane’s Lexi are gonna throw up their hands and speed on to Fashion Island. So wake up Costa Mesa! You’re impacted by this big time.
Who IS the OCTA Board, and do they have to listen to us?

Just some of 'em.
Don’t feel bad, I didn’t know this either. I asked Diana, does the OCTA Board have to listen to us, or will we just be waving our little fists in the air? She had two answers – 1) they did listen and respond to public outcry back in ’05 and agreed to help develop a plan which wouldn’t take anyone’s homes and businesses; and 2) “they BETTER listen to us, they’re elected!” Really?! Funny, I don’t remember ever voting for an OCTA board member.
So I went to look, I realized that she might have said “They’re electedS.” What a rogues gallery of usual suspects. The OCTA board is a virtual smorgasbord of Republican Mayors from across the county – including a couple of “Mayors for Life” – Santa Ana’s Pulido and Tustin’s Jerry Amante (who discouragingly already sports the nickname “Toll Road Jerry” – and all five supervisors. The recently recalled Fullerton councilman Don Bankhead is there. The only Democrat I recognize is Anaheim’s Lorri Galloway (who recently was stripped of her “Mayor Pro Tem” title by her Republican colleagues for doing the right thing against the Bed Tax Giveaway.) Nobody at all who’s going to be facing re-election any time soon.
But, we’ll make them listen to us! We have to.
Thursday’s meeting – the Last One!
I know, I know, nobody told me either. But the last public meeting on this decision that’s going to affect hundreds of thousands of us is this Thursday night, 6-8 pm, at the Fountain Valley Senior Center, 17967 Bushard (at Talbert.)
Everyone should come – everyone who lives near or drives on the 405 between Long Beach and Newport – listen to the presentation, and make your opinion known. I know that I don’t want the toll road option, known as Alternative 3, and prefer Alternative 2. Maybe some of you will disagree with me. Come and make your voices heard!
There are other concerns some of us citizens will bring up. It will not be too expensive, all things considered, to MITIGATE the noise and pollution with special walls.
And CERTAIN businesses that are very close to freeway onramps and bridges – the El Torito at Goldenwest and Bolsa comes to mind – will have their parking and/or access impacted by the lengthened bridges. Again, they should be able to take care of that.
So see you Thursday! La luta continua!
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Appendix 1: KUDOS to 3 parties!

The only known photograph extant of amazing Wesminster traffic engineer Adolfo Ozaeta, ripped from his LinkedIn profile. Update. Diana says this is not Adolfo because Adolfo is young. But, how many Wesminster traffic engineers have that name? Weird. Until another picture materializes, this good-looking gentleman will represent Adolfo.
Diana says that special credit needs to go out, number one, to the amazing City of Westminster Traffic Engineer Adolfo Ozaeta, who (along with the OCTA design team and Parsons Engineering) pulled off the feat of figuring out how to add two lanes to each side of the highway without impacting any homes or (nearly) any businesses.
She also wants to give major props to the OCTA itself for listening to citizens back in 2005-6 and backing off their plan to use eminent domain to force out homeowners and businesses, and to instead begin working with the community.
But the rest of us need to remember that if it weren’t for the hours and years of tireless volunteer work by retired educator Diana Lee Carey, we would all be living in a world of shit already. In 2005 an acquaintance came up to her and complained, “They’re going to take away my home to widen the freeway, and I don’t know what to do about it.” Diana said, “I’M gonna do something about this,” found out when the next OCTA meeting was there and raised a fuss.
Then she spent three weeks walking to every home near the 405, from Seal Beach Boulevard to Brookhurst, handing out flyers, letting them know what was happening and when meetings were. And she raised up such a ruckus that the OCTA caved in and totally altered their plans.
Westminster Mayor Margie Rice, impressed by this selfless and tireless activism, created a Westminster traffic commission and put Diana on it, and named her to the 405 commission.
And now Mayor Rice is retiring, and Diana will be running to take her place on Council. This blog will be rooting for her too! It’s not racist, is it, to say that a three-out-of-five Vietnamese Republican male majority is enough on that council, and that it’s time they had a white female Democrat, who’s already given so much to the community?
Appendix 2: Two OCTA videos explaining all this PRETTY well…
Our Coverage Thus Far:
- “Lexus Lanes” on the 405? Help Stop the Latest Toll Road Outrage!
- Perfect Circularity: A 405 Toll Lane for the Sole Purpose of Funding a 405 Toll Lane?
- OCTA’s Will Kempton to Betray OC Voters?
- Proposal Unites Enemies in Costa Mesa, against HB Mayor Don Hansen.
- 405 Toll-Gate For Dummies: How the proposed toll lanes are illegal.
- My Modest Proposal to build “Expensiveways” on the 405
- A Taxpayer Bailout for the Failed 73 San Joaquin Hills Toll Road?
- Seal Beach and Westminster to Join Costa Mesa in opposing 405 tolls
- OCTA expects BILLIONS in revenue from 405 Tolls!
- 405 Toll Projection – $2.95 for Three Miles!
- Cooking the Books with Two VERY different sets of numbers…
- How We Can Defeat the 405 Toll Lanes! And … Meet Your OCTA Board!
- Huntington Beach Mayor Hansen Rebuffed by his own City Council
AND NOW, somebody has created the excellent…
No 405 Tolls.Com!
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It would be cheaper for them just to put a bullet through the head of the coastal OC economy.
Wasn’t this Gary Miller’s idea at some point? If so, someone should contact Bob Dutton. And they should go back in time and contact Pete Aguilar too.
Yeah — you left out that I thought that we were playing the “rock-paper-scissors” Rochambeau instead of the South Park one. No wonder you won!
More lanes=More congestion. Why bother expanding the 405? Put in 6 more lanes it will still be a mess.
*Super Article Chairman Vern – well done!
We could call those lanes the Tom Reilly Memorial Toll Road. Or maybe the John Wayne Wild Goose Memorial Toll Road and Spa?
How long might this little project take and how much will it cost and how many pot holes in Orange County will not be fixed while we create this Great Toll Road to Newport Coast?
Why does this sound like the extension of the 291?
Those details are in the story, Winships, if you read it again.
Measure M allocated money for roads as well as freeways, the potholes SHOULD be getting fixed. Talk to your Newport City Council.
And the time frame, as I wrote, is 2015-19, and Alternative 2 which most of us prefer will cost $1.4 billion, which is also paid for by our Measure M sales tax.
Latest rumor is Costa Mesa will sue if Alternative 3 is approved. Don’t mess with Costa Mesa. They like to sue. There was a community meeting in Costa Mesa in which hundreds came out against Alternative 3. They will fight this thing.
And Jones Mayer will be so happy about that! And Riggy will have to fire more workers to pay for the suit.
Glad that CM is aware of this, and united for once as well (?) When was this meeting?
*Chairman Vern,
No….how much will it cost? Your figures are just projections which do not include
possibe delays, asphalt shortages and lunch trucks running out of chow. Let’s get
real….the actual cost will be at least double. You know it, we know it…..everyone
knows it. When was the last time something came in under budget for a highway
project?
i think that it is a capital idea. i can by-pass all of the proletariat and get right to newport coast. ten bucks a trip, hell, that’s what i tip the valet at the montage
Yeah, that’s the willie I know…
I’d love to see the data on who/how much…from the profit reports on the 73 toll road…At some point those types of revenue streams needs to come back to the public–either by dropping/eliminating tolls or to finance sane future road needs….IMHO
Thats diana lady is really gorgeous.
Thanks for the article! I had no idea this was going on. They are called freeways for a reason and you really can’t have a free society without them. They are what makes America great, our economy prosper, and our quality of life so high.
I attended the packed meeting at Westminster Community Center. No one wanted option 3, toll roads. I verbally offered a 4th option to add one general purpose lane as well as an additional car pool lane with continuous access to enter and exit at will. Option 4 would increase traffic flow, encourage carpool usage, make it safer with continuous access and no additional cost to the taxpayer for using our 405 freeway.
We have already paid for additional lanes with Measure B. Keep our 405 free from toll roads!
The Marcario option sounds FABULOUS! Is it too late to start a groundswell for that?
i have worked hard to get to be part of the one percent. i want my own traffic lane
Thanks for the article Mr. Nelson….Just one more thing to add. Alternative 3 would require the Fairview bridge, in Costa Mesa, to be torn down.
The Fairview bridge was torn down and widen just 3 years ago at an expense of 7 million. Funds came from federal, state and city dollars.
I was at the last meeting, presented by Kevin Haboian, senior project manager at Parsons Corp, one of the world’s largest engineering and construction corporations.
He mentioned, they, (I’m not exactly sure who he was referring to as “they”. I assume OTCA and Cal Trans), have been planning this freeway expansion for the past 10 years. What happened 3 years ago?? Why are we considering tearing down a perfectly good bridge again? Did someone make a 7 million mistake?
It was apparent during Mr. Haboian presentation, that he was strongly in favor of alternative 3, and not in favor of listening to public debate and comments. Hmmmm…..there must be big profits to be made tearing down bridges and re-building them every 3 years, and unfortunately, you and I are paying the bill.
The bridges of Orange County are very close to me personally, as a “freeway blogger.” I can describe each one on the 405 without looking. The Fairview, like the Bristol, has chain link on only one side. I wouldn’t mind if it got chain link on the other side as well, for more bannering possibilities.
Here’s what I’m talking about if you don’t know:
http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2008/06/the-bridges-of-orange-county-pt-1-of-19/
*A Sound Wall…..a widened off ramp…..a date with Lindsay Lohan…..a baby with Mariah Carey…..getting married to Kim Kardashian….a meeting with Heather Lochlear and William Shatner all about the social significance of the T. J. Hooker series.
Please…..option what? Fix the potholes people….we have seven cities that need
the help of Measure M. Think that is eventually possible?
How wide would the “free” part of the freeway be after this? Would it have more lanes than, say, Beach Boulevard?
greg, why are you worried, you already have your diamond lane
Noblesse oblige.
I am unclear as to what is meant by alternative 3 – are they adding one NEW lane to the carpool (that will be either toll of 3 riders) AND 1 NEW traffic lane? So we are getting two NEW lanes? Can’t tell from the description.
Only one new lane on alt 3. One new general purpose lane off to the right.And then the two left lanes become toll lanes – slash – 3+ lanes. So for those of us who can’t afford the 9 or 10 bucks and don’t have TWO friends to travel with, there is basically one less lane than before.It’s also pointed out in other articles on this blog, but not emphasized by OCTA, that even those 3+ cars are gonna have to get some kinda permits / transponders, and at some times pay (reduced) tolls themselves, so … I would just call those two lanes TOLL lanes.
Question on Alt 2 vs 3- There is something wrong with the figures or my interpretation…
Alt 2- adds two lanes at a cost of $1.4B with travel time of 28 mins (single) and 27 mins (HOV).
Alt 3- adds just one lane to the right but converts 2 lanes to the left as toll lanes at a cost of $1.7B with travel time of 29 mis (single) and 13 mins (toll). This is a net loss of one general lane.
Are you sure that Alt 3 has only one total lane added and that lane will be toll or is it actually one toll lane and one general purpose lane? Based on the costs ($1.3B for two new lanes or $1.7B for just one more lane) and the travel times, something does not seem right…how can building just one lane with some separating materials and hardware for tolls cost more than building 2. The travel times do not make sense either unless they are anticipating that so many more people will use the toll lanes that they suck people away from general lanes…even that does not make sense though as there is one less lane.
All right — I just had FOUR Paragraphs ready to go on this comment, when, before I could hit send, I got a call from an OCTA Board member (who doesn’t want me to use his or her name right now) explaining that I had that bit wrong. Well – it is confusing!
As they say, alt. 3 adds one new general purpose lane, and one extra toll lane to the existing HOV lane for a total of two toll/HOV lanes. That sort of sounds like we’re stuck with the same number of general purpose lanes, gaining one on the right and losing one on the left. But that’s NOT what it means. They’re actually building out two extra lanes, and then making the two inner ones toll/HOV. So we DO get one more general purpose lane than we have now, which is what we paid for with Measure M, and what was promised to us with Measure M.
This OCTA board member still opposes Alt 3 and toll roads, and will be voting for Alt 2, mostly for THIS reason:
Alt 3 takes away from us one carpool lane that was paid for by our tax dollars and makes it a toll lane.
And I see you did some research, and made another comment, while I was on the phone.
Thanks for the clarification and I agree, very confusing. Sounds like we are on the same page now.
I would also say that when the carpool lanes were originally placed into service, they took one general purpose lane paid for by our tax dollars and made it only available to a select group…that is now happening at another level. Two wrongs don’t make a right, but I can certainly see their point. I imagine that the same can be said with parking meters…our tax dollars pay for the streets and the parking spots on them and yet there are areas we have to pay to utilize the spot. Same with state parks and other items also.
I truly wonder if the carpool lanes are achieving their purpose of removing significant cars from the road or if as I hypothesize without any research to back it up, the majority of cars in the carpool lane would have the same number of passengers in them regardless of whether there was an HOV lane or not. Yes, some truly do carpool, but there is another subset that does not achieve the goal.
Perhaps I found my answer: http://www.octa.net/pdf/405imp.pdf
According to this flyer from OCTA, Alt 3 will add 1 general purpose lane AND another “express lane”. This is two added lanes and not just one. It will then take the new express lane and the existing HOV lane and convert them to toll/3+ lanes. So, for the those who choose not to use the toll lane and are not in the existing HOV lane, there is one additional lane (the M2 general purpose lane). For those who are a 2 person HOV-er, they lose their HOV lane and have to go into the general lane or pay the toll (how many are truly carpooling and taking a car off the road versus driving with a non-driver?). For those who are a 3 person HOV-er, they can use the toll lanes sometimes probably depending on traffic and/or pay the toll.
Maybe I misinterpreted your comment above Vern on Alt 3, but you make it sound like there is one less lane for a single driver whereas it seems that in each alternative, there is always 1 additional general purpose lane.
I still think they should look at variable direction lanes that can switch with the rush hour traffic demand. I also question how many carpoolers are really removing a car from the roads.