1. No Rest for the Wicked
The jihad by the OC Weekly’s R. Scott Moxley against Larry Agran and all (well, many) associated with him continues in both print and pixels this week — and, as usual for the past month and more, it’s long on dastardly adjectives and short on facts. Actually, I take that back — it has more facts than he’s offered before. What it lacks is facts that show that Agran — not Arnold Forde, not Tony Rackauckas, but Larry Agran — has done anything wrong. It’s like the clumsy work of a teenage stage magician — he makes a lot of noise, moves his hands around his head, stands up on tiptoe — and then blames you if you don’t agree you just saw him levitate.

Orange County DA Tony Rackauckas, desperate to prove to intrepid investigative journalist R. Scott Moxley that he is not part of Larry Agran’s “political machine,” pledges to fight Agran “mano a mano” to prove his independence. (Note to North Korean readers: this did not actually happen.)
Here, Moxley notes all sorts of things that Rackauckas and Forde allegedly did wrong — and then concludes that Agran also did wrong without connecting the dots. I’ve spoken to fans and critics of Agran alike, and no one has disputed to me that while Agran plays the game of politics aggressively, he doesn’t break or even bend the law. (As a top Democratic target in a rich Republican-dominated county, this is smart of him.) But Moxley can’t stop calling him corrupt — while he also can’t start providing reasons to back up that charge.
This would be pathetic if Moxley’s publication didn’t “buy ink by the barrel.” But they do — those “escorts” still haven’t found a less embarrassing venue in which to advertise — and so it becomes irritating.
And Moxley is clearly obsessed — and not in a healthy and productive way. Of the “Moxley Confidentials” (or should it be “Moxleys Confidential”? Either way, his paper-published column) puvlished since he decided to invite the world to gaze upon his fertile conception of my nakedness (warning: NSFW or anywhere else), FOUR OF THE FIVE have dealt with Larry Agran. You don’t believe me? Look.
Moxley Confidential
- Tony Rackauckas and Larry Agran’s Cash-Corruption Connection
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By R. SCOTT MOXLEY Thursday, Nov 29 2012
Thirteen years ago, Tony Rackauckas began his first term as Orange County District Attorney with a series of breathtaking ethical lapses…. More >>
Garden Grove Cops to Hugo Sarmiento: ‘This Mexican Speaks English!’
By R. SCOTT MOXLEY Wednesday, Nov 21 2012The case of Hugo V. Sarmiento isn’t exactly ideal in the fight against Southern California police brutality. Sarmiento is alive and well after… More >>
- Tony Rackauckas Is a Robo Cop
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By R. SCOTT MOXLEY Thursday, Nov 15 2012
Until this past Nov. 6, Orange County witnessed just four political tsunamis in a quarter of a century: Loretta Sanchez toppled incumbent… More >>
- Larry Agran’s Great Irvine Election Robbery
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By R. SCOTT MOXLEY Thursday, Nov 1 2012
Based on displays of hostility between various Republican and Democratic officials in Orange County, residents might assume we enjoy a healthy,… More >>
- Larry Agran’s Irvine Machine Paid Off Decoy Candidate
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By R. SCOTT MOXLEY Thursday, Oct 18 2012
From appearances, Irvine—Orange County’s third-largest city—is the epitome of middle-class tranquility. The neighborhoods, even the… More >>
Must be quite a story there, eh? Working up from the bottom: “paid off,” “robbery,” “cash-corruption connection.” (Hey, I used to shop at the “Cash-Corruption Connection” when I lived in Pittsburgh! Great bargains! Could have been cleaner, though.) The “Robo-Cop” article attacks the D.A. for objecting to a political mailer attacking Agran quoting T-Rack and making a robocall to set the record straight. (I’ve written about it previously here.) If you toss language like that around, you’d think you’d have some real persuasive facts at hand, right? Right? Hellooooo?
And yet: reading through these articles, one finds the case to be not really so much so. Indeed, the (self-)esteemed gentleman gives the impression of being entirely off his nut and praying that we either not notice it or, if we do, not mention it.
We have no choice. It’s time to Fisk him.
2. A Brief Digression on Fisking
“Fisking” an article — named after British investigative journalist Robert Fisk, who was an early and loud critic of the Iraq War and suffered for being prematurely correct — is a technique of going through a piece of writing line by line, secure in the Fair Use protection for criticism, and pulling apart its every strand. It was developed by — well, let’s take three definitions from the Urban Dictionary to give you a sense of what it is and how people think about it:
1. Fisking 131 up, 41 down The word is derived from articles written by Robert Fisk that were easily refuted, and refers to a point-by-point debunking of lies and/or idiocies
2. Fisking 69 up, 91 down a point-by-point refutation of a blog entry or a news story.Originally coined by extremist right-wing bloggers in reference to Robert Fisk, a journalist who is the subject of ad hominem attacks.There was a Fisking of a New York Times editorial in my blog today.
3. Fisking 25 up, 41 down Fisking is a written argument where one person sequentially addresses each point of an of another person’s argument.This is done in a precise manner relying on semantics and ambiguities to infer a defect in the original point. This approach is tantamount to taking a sentence out of context in order to refute an entire argument.Fisking does not pay heed to the opponent’s thesis as a whole, and thus does not disprove the thesis as a whole.
(Yes, from the votes you can see that too much of the Urban Dictionary is indeed populated by right-wing fratboy types. But when it scores, it scores.)
As an Iraq War critic myself, my feeling is that Robert Fisk himself got a bad rap (as in #1) but that Fisking itself gets a worse rap than it deserves (as in #3). Yes, it can be a load of sophistic claptrap — but when someone is squirting enough ink in the water to exhaust an cargo container full of octopuses, sometimes you have no choice. If there is no there there, you have to show that it is really, truly, nowhere to be found.
In this case, Moxley wants to say that Larry Agran is corrupt and a proper object for a criminal investigation. Does he bring the sort of facts you’d expect to light? Take an extra Xanax and tighten up your scuba mask — we’re going below.
3. BSentence by BSentence
I’m putting Moxley’s original article in italic red — the color of blood and communism, not because he seems like a Republican, of course — and my interspersed retorts in plain and forthright blue. This will help to … well, it may not help anything at all, really. (I’m just feeling patriotic today.) I’m including all of the assertions of fact and fancy that purport to implicate Agran. Remembering, the question here is: does Moxley actually lay a glove on Agran?
Thirteen years ago, Tony Rackauckas began his first term as Orange County District Attorney with a series of breathtaking ethical lapses.
Does not involve Agran.
Rackauckas ordered the agency’s organized-crime detectives to not investigate Newport Beach businessman Patrick N. DiCarlo, his fishing buddy and campaign chairman who had suspicious contacts with East Coast mafia associates.
Yikes! Sounds bad! Does not involve Agran.
He looked the other way when Southern California apartment-complex magnate George Argyros, one of his ultra-wealthy campaign backers, cheated thousands of low-income tenants out of their security deposits.
My word! Horrible! Does not involve Agran.
When British Petroleum‘s ARCO service stations ignored for a decade clean-up notices to fix more than 132 massive gas-storage leaks throughout the county, he let the company off without admitting its guilt or paying county residents a nickel for callously polluting our environment and jeopardizing our groundwater supply.
Atrocious! Unbelievable! Does not involve Agran.
On the other hand, Rackauckas deserves genuine applause for more recent decisions. He ignored advice from his law-enforcement brethren and arrested unnecessarily lethal Fullerton cops in the gruesome Kelly Thomas killing.
Somewhat ignorant. In one case (Ramos), many think he overcharged; in a second (Cicinelli), many think he undercharged; in a third (Wolfe), he evaded responsibility by fending the indictment off onto a grand jury.
He withstood pressure to downplay the felony case against three well-connected characters in the infamous Haidl Gang Rape saga and made sure the unapologetic defendants went to prison.
Good! I assume. I don’t really trust Moxley’s word at this point, though.
He even authorized a historic investigation into our local detention facilities and issued a bombshell, scathing report detailing rampant jail-deputy corruption.
Sounds good! For some reason, I’d want to verify this myself before believing it, though.
The point is that you can never be sure if the Good Tony or the Bad Tony will show up.
Pretty much sums up my feelings about the Moxley.
That lesson was once again apparent at a Nov. 19 central committee meeting of the Orange County Republican Party. The Republican DA came to apologize for trying to help Democrat Larry Agran defeat GOP-endorsed Steven Choi in the Irvine mayoral race two weeks earlier.
Presumably, Agran did not send him to apologize for clarifying a statement he had made against Agran.
As you might imagine, Rackauckas’ election-eve robocall for Agran’s campaign shocked and angered the county’s Republican activists. They had been trying to topple the Democrat’s 3-2 council majority control over Irvine for 12 frustrating years.
Rackauckas claimed that he was only telling the truth about a mailer that went way too far. No wonder they were pissed!
That Agran believes a powerful, activist government—especially with him at the reins—should be the center of the community and that Republicans outnumber Democrats in the city only added to their anxiety.
Not that Moxley is grinding a political ax here, of course. It’s more like a machete.
Partisan politics wasn’t the only motivation to knock off Agran, who is a master of looking sympathetic and grandfatherly when it suits his needs.
Damn you, you sympathetically grandfatherly looking man! THAT IS SO UNFAIR!!
The Chicago native created an Irvine political machine …
I interrupted the sentence there because otherwise some of you may not have noticed the implicit and subtle reference to “Chicago … political machine.” All Chicago Democrats are corrupt, you know. That’s why noting his birthplace was so relevant. Also: OBAMA!
… that doled out lucrative, no-bid city contracts to his personal consultants and allies.
WOW! I mean, lots of public agencies use no-bid contracts, some of which are lucrative, and there’s no evidence here that they received contacts because they were his consultants and allies, if that’s true, but it’s a start. Hey, I wonder if this has ever come up before and what Agran has had to say about it, if so? (You’re going to be left wondering too, if you haven’t figured that out. Yes, Agran does have a benign explanation for all of this, which it was, of course, critically necessary for Moxley to leave out.)
Businesses that deposited large sums of cash into his various political bank accounts won favorable city treatment.
In that order? If so, I’m concerned — though not convinced — that it could be a quid pro quo. If it happened in the other order, uh — duh! Moxley doth not say.
Elections were rigged to favor Agran, who put fake or decoy Republican candidates on ballots.
This again! Even to the extent that recruiting people to dilute the other side’s vote is illegal — and it generally is more like “standard practice” — it doesn’t seem to be true, and even if true would not be “rigging” an election. If only Moxley had an editor who could tell him such things!
The corruption might have outraged another district attorney, but Rackauckas let Agran roam free for a decade while alarmed citizens and journalists detailed abuse after abuse.
Well, everyone knows that free-range Chicagoan tastes better. I wonder what Moxley would come up with if someone — like me, here and now — asked him to provide details of a decade’s worth of “alarmed citizens and journalists detail[ing] abuse after abuse?” Nothing, right? (Someone pass the word to him.) Sounds like, maybe, this is a load of crap that Moxley’s coarse palatte can’t distinguish from human food?
At the GOP meeting, the 69-year-old DA explained that he was “a bit hasty” in his decision to help Agran’s campaign. In reality, Rackauckas insisted, he really didn’t want him to win the race. Ponder that claim for a minute.
GOP attack hyenas were using T-Rack’s words to create a false impression that Agran was weak when it came to protecting children from rapists — which, someone might want to explain to Moxley, is a truly dastardly charge. Agran asked T-Rack to set the record straight — and he did so. I’ve pondered, and it seems to me that someone might have enough respect for the truth to do so despite not wanting someone to win the race. The clearest most recent example is from the 2008 Presidential campaign, when a woman told John McCain at one of his rallies said “”I can’t trust Obama. I have read about him and he’s not, he’s not uh — he’s an Arab.” McCain responded: “No, ma’am. He’s a decent family man [and] citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues and that’s what this campaign’s all about. He’s not [an Arab].” [Writer’s Note: nothing is actually indecent or wrong with being an Arab, but this, sadly, was still an advance on McCain’s part.] Ponder that for a moment! By Moxley’s logic, McCain wanted Obama to win.
So far, we have two undeniable oddities: A DA who steadfastly won’t investigate Agran’s corruption …
Whoa! Putting aside the question of whether there was corruption — about which Moxley is, shall we say, not an really objective source at this point, where does it say anywhere above that T-Rack “steadfastly won’t investigate Agran”? Seriously, go read it again, if you dare. For all we know, T-Rack was keeping tabs and none of the things that have Moxley’s veins fluttering actually failed the smell test. The corruption — it’s coming from inside Moxley’s head!
… and who, when Agran is frantically trying to keep power over Irvine and the multibillion-dollar Great Park project, tries to come to his rescue.
Obviously, the oddness is deniable. For one, calling something “corruption” doesn’t actually render it corruption in the real world.
Hmmmm.
Hmmmm?
The situation is more puzzling when you consider that at the Nov. 19 meeting, Rackauckas unequivocally asserted he had been vigilantly watching Agran for any wrongdoing. This attempt to rewrite history is alarming. In fact, the DA has blocked repeated citizen complaints demanding the launch of a criminal grand jury probe.
Well, gosh! Did those complaints appear to have any merit? Or is this consistent with what I posit a few paragraphs above — he checked and there was nothing apparently wrong. Hey, is that part of what an investigative journalist ought to ask in this situation? Democrats “blocked” Darrell Issa’s nutjob investigations — does that “alarm” Moxley?
Republican activist Allan Bartlett asked Rackauckas if he had any special relationship with Agran’s political machine, especially Arnold Forde, the media-shy private consultant who grabbed a highly suspicious $120,000-per-month, no-bid contract for more than seven years to do publicity for a public park that still hasn’t been built to spec. He adamantly denied it.
Why does Agran think that that contract was justified? Has anyone asked him — and if so, what did he say? (These questions are rhetorical. Of course they have; of course he’s answered. You wouldn’t have suspected it, would you?)
But the DA wasn’t as forthcoming as he should have been. Forde and Rackauckas worked together as close political-campaign associates for as many as four years beginning in the 1980s.
So … they had a four-year “relationship” — starting as much as 30 years ago. OK. Is that the sort of “special relationship” Barnett was talking about — “was this person ever your coworker?”
At the height of public cries to investigate Agran’s corruption in 2004 and 2005, the two men shared a private lunch. The DA declined my request to outline what they discussed, but Rackauckas adviser Mike Schroeder described the meeting as “just social.”
And this proves, uh … that Moxley won’t explicitly call Mike Schroeder a liar?
At the central committee meeting, Rackauckas oddly posed clueless that Forde is Agran’s top consigliere. “I don’t consider [Forde] an enemy or anything,” the DA said in response to a question. “But I know he works for, uh, apparently for, uh, Larry Agran.”
At this point, I’m not going to take Moxley’s word on an assertion that Forde is Agran’s “top” anything, let alone a consigliore, though if a horse’s head shows up in Moxley’s bed I might believe it.
Why would Rackauckas—a lawman who claims he has been vigorously investigating Irvine corruption—pretend he wasn’t sure of Forde’s thoroughly documented, cozy relationship with Agran?
Because have a close adviser working on a project one is heading just doesn’t fall into the sort of corruption that captured T-Rack’s concern? Maybe thought the critics were sort of nuts?
Was he trying to obfuscate his ties to Forde and Agran?
Not if he didn’t have them!
The DA didn’t mention that in 2002, Agran and Forde came to his rescue by critically bolstering his re-election campaign against Wally Wade, a veteran, high-ranking prosecutor.
Watch carefully for any evidence that Agran “came to his rescue.”
Rackauckas had supported unpopular efforts of the aforementioned soiled apartment magnate Argyros to build an international airport at the mothballed El Toro Marine Corps Air Station near Irvine.
Hey, reader, did you wonder how Agran felt about that proposal? Moxley doesn’t mention it. Hmmmm.
Forde and Agran let the DA appear in widely distributed, pro-Great Park slate mailers (Taxfighters Voting Guide, a project of the Voter Education Project) and described him as a “vigorous” law enforcer solidly against the airport.
Had, um, T-Rack changed his tune on the airport at that point? That could explain it! But more than that — Forde, a Republican, is in the business of producing mailers. Has Moxley asked Agran what role he had in “deciding” to let T-Rack onto them? And, if Agran was involved, was it just a way to solidify public support for his side? You know — did he engage in … coalition politics?
The affair got fishier. Neither Rackauckas nor Forde nor Agran publicly disclosed the arrangement in a timely fashion. In violation of California law, the DA waited 10 months to reveal he owed the Forde/Agran slate $25,000, mislabeled the reason for the cost and post-dated the deal by at least five months. Forde and Agran were mum for an entire year.
We have not only have no evidence presented that this wasn’t a benign mistake, but we have no evidence that Agran had knowledge that he was required to disclose — or that the lack of such knowledge could explain his being “mum.”
Fishy turned odorous.
They have ointments for that.
According to dozens of reviewed campaign-finance-disclosure reports housed at the Orange County Registrar of Voters and the California Secretary of State’s office, Forde and Agran did another huge favor for the DA. They let him wait until December 2006—a whopping near-five years—to fully repay them for the February 2002 campaign expense.
“They.” Evidence of Agran’s knowledge and direct involvement, please? I only ask because Moxley is calling him corrupt here. By the way, is allowing such a wait unusual — or illegal? What did Agran have to say about … oh, forget it.
Odorous then turned toxic.
OK, now you have to go to the emergency room. Next time, buy the frakkin’ ointment! Hygiene!
Records of alleged payments from Rackauckas to the slate mailer don’t match. Forde reported he took $4,000 from the DA between Jan. 20 and March 13, 2006. Rackauckas’ campaign reports show he paid just $3,000 during the period.
Forde. And a $1000 discrepancy over when things were reported.
Between March 18 and May 20 of that year, the DA claims he gave Forde $2,000. The slate mailer records no payments for that period.
Forde. And a $1000 discrepancy in the other direction.
Then, Forde reported he took $3,000 from Rackauckas on June 19, an alleged transaction that never appears in the DA’s disclosure filings.
Forde. OK, so that’s the $1000 in dispute again — $2000 discrepancy, now in Forde’s favor.
Finally, Rackauckas reported in January 2007 that he paid the slate mailer $5,000 from July 1 to Dec. 31, 2006, and owed no more cash. Forde reported he received $1,000 less during the period but also said the debt was satisfied.
Forde. OK, Rackauckas paid $5000, so there’s $3000 discrepancy in his favor, and Forde said he got $4000, so it looks like maybe he got overpaid by $1000. OK, honestly, I’ve lost track. Is this really supposed to “corruption”?
Innocent mistakes or not, …
YA THINK???
… something else happened in 2006 when the DA was in debt to Agran/Forde.
Forde, Forde, Forde, Forde … Agran/Forde? Huh? What just happened? Did Agran actually know about all of this? Was he just trusting the political consultant being paid by — well, from this I don’t even know if it was by Agran!
I discovered a record that proves Agran violated state law on independent campaign expenditures. That document, an election mailer, was supposed to have no tie to the Irvine Democrat, but it contained Agran’s handwritten editing marks as well as signature.
Wow! Evidence! Let’s see what Moxley does with the details, so we can judge for ourselves! I’m all ears and eyes!
Simple curiosity might have driven an independent prosecutor to ask questions after the revelation.
Wait. Back up. The only thing I’m sure of at this point is that Scott Moxley hates Larry Agran with the fiery heat of a thousand suns, and we’re just supposed to take Moxley’s word for it that this PROVES AGRAN’S GUILT??!! Maybe T-Rack didn’t ask questions about the “revelation” because it was clearly a bunch of horse sauce!
Six years and seven months have passed. Rackauckas never asked to see a copy of the smoking gun.
Moxley “discovered” a smoking gun document — and Rackauckas never asked to see it. Surely, Moxley would have said “hey, Tone! Wanna see this Agran-smacking smoking gun?” But he doesn’t mention that. Or, maybe, did T-Rack see it and disagree that it was smoking — or maybe even a gun at all?
This column appeared in print as “The Trouble With Tony: DA Tony Rackauckas owed Larry Agran’s political machine $25,000 when he said he saw no corruption in Irvine.”
Surely, Dear Reader, at this point you should be able to identify exactly the moment — that’s the significance of the word “when” — when BOTH T-Rack owed “Agran’s political machine” (which at this point, so far as I can tell, just means “Arnold Forde, whether or not Agran even knew what was going on with the mailers or whether an invoice had gone out”) AND T-Rack said that “he saw no corruption in Irvine.” It’s the title of the print version of the story — which you just read. So you know that at some point T-Rack owed Forde money — and at some point he didn’t see anything improper happening in Irvine. You are being invited, if it’s not clear, to infer cause and effect here. Do you think it has been shown?
And, if it has been shown — has it been shown that it actually did involve Agran acting corruptly? You know — does Moxley justify his use of words like corrupt, corruption, and criminal? Because if he doesn’t, then is Moxley an idiot — or does he think that his readers are idiots?
Moxley’s editor, Gustavo Arellano, will probably tell us below that I am a jerk and my articles are too long. He truly does not get paid enough to defend Moxley as often as Moxley needs defending.
*Sounds like Mississippi doesn’t it? Hey, we love Tony….with all his warts…he is a very cool, collected gatekeeper….that maintains the peace in society. We like that.
This article was pretty revealing. If you have issues with Tony….look to those folks that he supposedly assisted….”the one’s with more money than ethical responsibility!”
greg,
when do you have time to practice law or, as a democrat, are you already getting your obama gifts and no longer have to worry about paying the mortgage. i am confused and concerned
It is a concern. People should give me money. Now.
isnt that why we voted for obama
But you didn’t vote for Obama, did you?
Diamond, i think its you whos clearly obsessed with moxley and not in a healthy and productive way. I find moxley quite interesting but you on the other hand are just a long winded bore.
You find Moxley quite interesting, do you? How old are you?
Old enough to buy beer.
*Don’t pick on Dr. D., he is a natural born research investigator. He tries his best to document and find what he can about ANY subject. So, don’t pick on someone that dedicated. As far as Scott Moxley is concerned: Hmmm..seems sometimes “He feels like a nut….sometimes he don’t”….Moxley has “stories with
legs”. He also goes after some “Straw Man Issues” ….just to cause those occasional stirs…in the Force! Smart guy….but then….maybe not 100% the guy you want to come to Christmas dinner. Dr. Dr., is fascinated with a variety of conspiracy theories…..as we are. Probably means, we like thinking out of the box ….once in a while.
Identifying “kindered spirits” is another one of Dr. D’s…..good intentions, for which we cannot condem him. Don’t forget, Moxley has been writing for that rag for a very long time. What do they say: “Even a broken clock is right twice a day!” So, we will continue to read his stuff….for entertainment purposes, if nothing else!
The thing with diamond is he takes half an hour to say something that can be said in five minutes hes just a bore sorry. And you anna winsnip are quite lovely! I saw your pic on that other post very nice quite the hen you are but whos the old dude with you?
%* Hey jose, you must be a new blogeador here, and do not know about el gordito Greg. Thanks to this vato I do not have to take my sleeping pills when he posts chingaderas he calls “comprehensive”, although he threw me off with his colorful page this time.
Cada loco con su tema jose, be cool. If he bores you, don’t read him. But as the Winship say%* think outside of the box ese%* Besides that I do not have to go to the yerbatero, for my insomnia problem, este vato raises good points.
The problem with ese otro vato del Moxley, y su editor, is that they have much more influence, and more responsiibilty, in spreading the news. It is bad enough that we have to put with los cavernarios del OC Register, but the Weekly? They are supposed to be alternative media, luchando por los de abajo, and what are they doing? They constantly pick on the wrong people, many times on the ones who are not the most powerful en este condado reaccionario.
Entiendes la onda jose? Calmate y ponte trucho, lee entre lineas. Time for me to go see Beckham play the last game in MLS, as my Chivas USA did not make to the playoffs again…But the Xolos from Tijuana may be the new Mexican champions!!! After all this soccer excitement I will try to finish reading Greg’s comprehensive post …&#***** ( I am trying to outdo the Winship’s rucos with these simbolos ***@#******……..!!!?????)
Worse in on the way, mi amiga.
*Try not to mix….pleasure with pleasure Jose! “There can only be one!” as the Highlander said.
if it gets me free stuff, of course i voted for obama
You would have gotten more free stuff from Romney, Mr. .01%er. Man, that really looks like a typo.
i think that with the passage of prop 30, i may be down in the one and one half perceentile
Hey dora ive been coming here long before diamond started boring people so piss off and please drop the chola girl act its already annoying and btw, chivas sucks.
Moxley may be a more entertaining and less verbose writer than Diamond, but there’s the little nagging problem of him being Full Of Shit.
Also, we know that Jose S. is a bitter old man who’s been dumped by too many cholas like Dora. (Sorry, gotta stick up for my peeps…)
More entertaining??? Well, judging from his e-mails, maybe so. But he tries too hard.
Well, I said “may” be. Not even for sure, friend.
Vern, Isn’t this a case of the pot calling the kettle black? I’m no defender of Scott Moxley or the OC Weekly, as you know. But if I’m going to accuse them of something in a purported rebuttal/expose (which I have done in the past) I will back it up with documented facts (which I have done in the past), not conjecture, which is what Moxley is accused of here. The writer of this screed–like its target is alleged to do–gives us incomplete information in a style that tries the patience of the reader. Those readers who want and could benefit from a well documented, well written analysis of Moxley’s writing will be disappointed, like me. And it does nothing to change my view that Agran is a fallen angel who, like Obama, has plenty of party sycophants and ostrich heads to defend him no matter what he does.
Moxley’s thesis is that Agran is corrupt. You seem to agree. The burden is on him — and you, if you want to shoulder it — to present “well-documented facts.” I’m just pointing out that for all of his blowing hard here and inviting the reader to jump to conclusions of his choosing, when it comes to Agran he’s got nothing.
I can imagine that he’d do something that I wouldn’t defend. But that would have to involve his, you know, actually having done something. Meanwhile, dismissing those of us who defend him as sychophants and ostrich heads makes things far too easy on yourself. I defend him because I’ve looked at the charges made and the evidence produced and find them both wholly lacking.
And your response to what I wrote proves my point, that if there is something wrong with Scott Moxley’s claims about Agran, and there may be, you have shown yourself incapable of making the case.
What’s wrong with them is that they are unsupported by actual pertinent evidence, which is the case I made.
The Xolos made history Jose ! Please do not confuse them with the Cholos. I will play the gavacha act so you won’t get annoyed. The Club Tijuana Xoloitzcuintles de Caliente was founded in January 2007 and they’ve won the Mexican soccer championship a few minutes ago! You and I should be in TJ right now, en la Avenida de la Revolucion celebrando ( I am sorry…celebrating).
The club is named after the Xoloitzcuintli, a hairless breed of dog considered sacred dogs by the Aztecs,Toltecs, Maya and some other groups. Isn’t this neat?
Back to the boring stuff, Greg posted another comprehensive (=boring for many) piece…I will fall sleep for the entire week…
btw Jose, do not drink too much beer, the same goes to you Vern and your new pal Joe Hill, alcohol shrinks your organs…Salud!
I told you that worse was coming! I suggest you read only 600 words per day; that will last you the rest of the month.
Seriously — don’t read it all at once. (Note though that it’s mostly quoting, not new writing.)
I have to say, I find Greg to be much easier to read and dialogue with than Moxley. Moxley seems like he’s lost his touch and taken sides more than he used to.