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I’m sorry that this took so long to get to all of you, but it’s been a busy time. I’ve been trying to help my Mayan friends get their new calendar out… they are such procrastinators. Oh well, it’s not like it’s the end of the world, or anything.
So, to determine what kind of year 2013 will be for the United States, I’m looking at the Solte chart, the astrological chart constructed from the date, time, and place of the signing of the Articles of Confederation. The Articles of Confederation established the first governmental structure unifying the thirteen states that fought in the American Revolution. It’s arguably the United State’s official birth chart (November 15, 1777, 12:46 PM, York, PA). Of all the choices, I think that this one is the most reliable. I’m sure some of you will have a different opinion. Fine. This is the one I like.
The United States Sun falls under the sign of Scorpio, and, as it is for any Scorpio, things can get really complicated. A Scorpio’s influence is intense, powerful, and transformational. Above everything, Scorpios are healers capable of looking beneath the surface into the essential horror and ugliness of any situation. Their most natural strategy is then to overwhelm it with a laser-like focus of power, to bring it back to life and goodness.
The distraction for Scorpio is always the tendency to abuse his intense power to serve himself. He is the sign most likely to harbor deep-seated resentments, jealousy, vindictiveness, an inability to trust, manipulative tendencies, and secretive strategies. He’s the friend that your afraid to take your eyes off of. You may keep him for a friend because its safer than risking the possibility of turning him into an enemy. He can be ruthless and devastatingly destructive. He’s a force to be reckoned with. You may not like him or trust him, but you respect him. You may be afraid to shine too brightly in his presence lest you trigger his jealous tendencies.
Scorpio is also a study in extremes. He can put you back together or tear you apart or alternate between the two. He can be devastatingly and unbelievably self-destructive. For the United States, Black Moon Lillith, another major indicator of character, highlights the magical effect of his charm, personality and friendliness while at the same time warns of an innate failure to recognize what is not in his own best interest. What the United States becomes hinges on its ability to keep its eye on the ball despite intense internal distractions. It has to know its higher purpose and never lose sight of it.
The purpose of the existence of the United States, (as defined by the north and south nodes of the moon), and the context within which every governmental decision should be made, is an ever-deepening sensitivity to the needs of protecting individual self-expression, affairs of the heart, children, creativity, and the individual’s right to be able to safely take some risk. Intellectual refinement and service to the country in the form of innovative individual contribution defines its potential. This represents the high road for the U.S., and, despite its claims, the unfamiliar and less traveled road. When the U.S. (or any entity) feels threatened, feels anxious, insecure, and threatened, it moves toward its most familiar and mindless default setting as defined by the south node. In the case of the US this is the familiar tendency to act impulsively, independently rather than cooperatively, to dominate, to control, and to win. To these ends, any cold, oppressive, violent, manipulative, or inhumane actions will be justified, or, more likely, hidden from view.
This is the year when we figure out that complacency no longer works for us. Already we’ve lived through Hurricane Sandy and the Newtown tragedy. Through the first week in September we will be subject to a series of wake-up calls that finally lead to some updated policy. Obviously those lacking the ability to cope with change will become more desperate.
For this year (and until the first week in December 2014) the mood of the public mood will be serious, practical, focused on monetary security, somewhat downbeat, hard working, goal-oriented, and seeking to find some long term security. The public remains remain risk-averse, in no mood for nonsense especially when it affects them financially, and willing to delay gratification for a little less than two more years. At that point all patience will have been completely exhausted.
Since October of 2010 Congressional actions and attitudes toward banks, trade policy, and world finance have severely limited the United States’ progress toward achieving its purpose for existence. The conference of political and business leaders in Davos last week included enthusiasm toward financing environmental healing, the Goldman Sachs assertion that, at least for them, the financial crisis is over, that, in the short-term austerity will continue. Intensifying after October is Congress’ focus on how issues of immigration, access to higher education, publishing information, church-state separation, protecting democracy, foreign travel, and the affects of other countries opinion toward us have become more problematic. That focus will continue through 2015. Expect some progress on these issues as well as some severe abuses of power.
Darker forces for oppression operate quietly as the NSA prepares to open its massive data warehouse spying operation in Utah. The schedule opening date is sometime in September, but it’s a secret. Congress has authorized warrantless spying and, according to NSA whistleblower Bill Binney, after all our phone, internet, and electronic communication is stored, the data mining begins. Everything a person does becomes charted on a graph, and the NSA is able to paint a detailed picture of someone’s life. According to the ACLU’s website, experts say the complex will be big and powerful enough to store for 100 years every phone, internet, and electronic communication in the world. Careful what you Google!
Republicans are using their own stealth means to undermine democracy through gerrymandering, and make progress secretively, while an important democratic legislator attended Obama’s inauguration.
Religious influence is severely impacting women’s accessibility to safe and legal abortion access. Conservatives are overburdening each clinic with intimidation and regulation in an ongoing process, and they are removing a woman’s right to refuse medical procedures (unnecessary vaginal ultrasound) that are invasive and unnecessary. Women will be under attack for the next two years, and will have to fight very hard to prevent legislators from devastating their rights and their lives.
Since 1944, Mercury, the planet ruling communications, roads, transportation, and schools up to the college level have been influenced by the sign of Gemini. This sign represented objectivity, facts, learning, networking, connections, clear thinking, short attention spans, and flexibility. In March of this year a momentous change occurs as Mercury progresses into the sign of Cancer. Now all communication, road, transportation, and schooling matters will be heavily influenced by issues of security, protection, emotion, family, roots, and foundational considerations. Expect dramatic developmental changes in these areas of life over the next 30 years.
The public seems to have unusual influence over Congressional action this year…and over the Supreme Court. It appears that public interest and Supreme Court action regarding marriage rights for gays will align toward the end of April, and in June action on violence (most likely having to do with guns) will be coming.
Jupiter moves into Cancer (security, protection, and the housing market) on June 28th, and will remain there until July 16th of 2014. Traditionally the housing market is very strong when Jupiter travels through the sign of Cancer.
The public pays close attention to Congress (as it should be) until March of 2014 when it’s attention will turn to what the government may be hiding, and our nuclear concerns.
Watch for foundational freedoms to be severely threatened in October and November of 2013 when the public and the President may not be on the same page.
Watch for the President to be under severe pressure as 2014 begins, but, let’s worry about that next year. Unlike the last inaugural year where complacency was the order of the day, this time we are paying close attention to what’s going on.
Dear Oracle,
I can not even count the realizations that you have correctly hit here.
“Scorpios are healers capable of looking beneath the service into the essential horror and ugliness of any situation”
This accurately describes the movement in this country by all of the so called “extremists” that are intent on finding out the truth of the so called “massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary school”.
And this Country no doubt is right now developing an “ever deepening sensitivity” especially to individual freedoms.
I could go on and on with this report Oracle. Thank you.
2013 is going to be a very interesting year, for the residents of Anaheim.
Hang on!
Brian
And just how scorpionish were we when we hunted down and killed those who attacked us on 9-11? Rectifying a Scorpian win for your birth data there Oracle.
Getting the people behind 9/11 is very Scorpionic…. “the sign most likely to harbor deep-seated resentments, jealousy, vindictiveness, an inability to trust, manipulative tendencies, and secretive strategies.”
Good example.
“What Does 2013 Hold in Store for the USA?”……… Hmmmmm
I know what, because I have bin there.
However, the question is what are we (I) gone do about that?
Since my life span is limited, and I do not see a light in the end of the tunnel, I am seriously contemplating giving up my USA citizen ship to be free again.
I have never expected that it would be ever possible for both parties take sharp left turn with no third party possibility.
The USA constitution has same value as the USA dollar “0” and USA citizens, bolsheviks (majority in Russian), are essentially moron mongoloids so it is 1968 déjà vu allover again for me, the time to spread my wings!
I am not sure if this is a ESL problem, or if you really believe that the country has taken a sharp left turn.
Read the other stories on this blog….the rich are getting richer, and the poor are not. Politicians are bought everyday by the plutocrats.
We go to war with countries that pretend to have WMD. For ten years.
We have a war on women.
We have a war on drugs.
Religious zealots in government are the norm.
We are armed to the teeth.
We torture people.
We hunt and kill them with drones if we dislike them.
What country is far enough to the right for you?
“I am not sure if this is a ESL problem, or if you really believe that the country has taken a sharp left turn”……….. Hmmmmmm
No it is not ESL, it is that you do not understand leftism.
It is about the lack freedom not about money, wealth nor security.
Definitions of words and ideals change. What do you believe leftism to be, and what freedoms do you think that you can find somewhere else ?
Where do you think that place is?
“Where do you think that place is?”…….. Hmmmmm
It was always the American dream — no more.
But again there is not a uniform place which would satisfy everyone. For example Ernest Hemingway found Cuba and rum aka “liquid sun” the place to be. I have some idea which I do not want to publish so you wouldn’t follow me there.
The Leftism is simply a over protection where the good becomes the bad and ugly because there is no freedom of choice.
It is like your mother feeding you the good vegetables and punishing you if you do not!
In contrast, the rightism is that if you do not want vegetables you will starve.
The freedom is to leave the home and eat what you want even if it is not good for you until you learn and take care of your own destiny.
I do not understand which part of the freedom you do not understand.
Stanley, according to Wikipedia:
“The Bolsheviks,were a faction of the Marxist Russian Social Democratic Labour Party (RSDLP) which split apart from the Menshevik faction[3] at the Second Party Congress in 1903.[4]. The Bolsheviks were the majority faction in a crucial vote, hence their name”
Is our House of Representatives controlled by “bolsheviks”?
Thanks to the US Constituion you have the freedom to insult all US citizens.
Forget about the crapola you read in the Wiki.
Bolshevik = majority
Menshevik = minority
Same like in English the terms change their meanings over the time based on profanity of these groups same like socialists and liberals are dirty words so is the majority in the Russian so no one is using it in the original meaning of the language any more but rather in its institutionalize format.
Same like “Moral Majority” or National Socialists “NAZI”.
However, I like to use it as the original form which brings in its profanity and vulgarity.
Tina – is that you?
*Oracle…..a very in depth reading we must say. But, being that we are Astrologers as well, perhaps a little sibling rivalry will not upset you greatly.
First off; using the Articles of Confederation as your Chart source would not be our first choice and secondarily is not considered mainstream by any Astrological source that we have seen. The July 4th, 1776 5:10pm, Philadelphia known as the Silby chart is considered the basis of all and of course in our opinion the starting point for everything in our society. Having said that Cancer is the Sun sign and Sagistarius is the Acsendant. Aquarius Moon.
OK, we will simply cut to the chase. Mitt Romney was not elected. Barack Obama was elected as our President. Most astrologers predicted this. There have been astrologers that predicted several scenarios which in the years before have never come to pass. Predictive Astrology has always been “very iffy” even with the very best of astrologers doing the work.
As third generation astrologers we can say in the words of Grandma who was one of the founders of the American Federation of Astrologers in Los Angeles in the 1920’s:
believed as so many did: “The Starts impel, but do not compel – anyone to do anything!” Tendencies as they were – people that are cheap for example like Donald Trump. Does he occasionally show his more generous side? Of course, when his feet are put to the fire. Is he a huge egoists that listens to no one? In most cases anyone might find that to be the case.
Cutting to the chase; the United States will be welcoming 11.5 million new American citizens…….if done correctly…the process to get these immigrants into voting US citizens may take four years or more. This is by no means a small thing. 2ndly, the attack on Social Security and Medicare by the Republicans will go on unabated. Their attack on so-called Government Spending which is strictly a phony rhetorical attack on the other party….will do nothing.
Obama Care will move forward and many adjustments to the system will occur this year. These may occur behind the scenes – they will be significant. On February 10th begins the Year of the Water Snake in Chinese Astrology. Wisdom will eventually prevail after many arguments that are totally off the subject. Healthcare, Medical Insurance and the price of Prescription Drugs will be addressed this year.
The war in Afghanistan will wind down quickly. Our withdrawal from this theatre is tied to the “sequestered down-sizing of our American military”.This is again, not a small issue.
The issues of Syria and the Palestinian diaspora in progress will continue as well as the upheavel throughout the areas of the Arab Spring. Good-Bad-Good-Bad…will continue – unabated.
Finally, efforts to control Global Banking, the Chinese Trade Deficit and our outsourcing of jobs to foreign countries will find very mixed results. The current efforts under way to bring in foreign HI-B high paying IT designers and engineers will continue to undermine the efforts here in the United States to prepare our younger college students from eventually entering our domestic job market.
China will continue to steal American jobs, creating even new High Speed Rail, Bridge Works and Auto and Truck Manufacturing which will be shipped out of the United States to China and then returned to us. The good news is that their Global Warming Emissioins and Smog will become a major Global talking point.
So, dear Oracle – we do thank you for your interesting take on 2013. As with all good doctors – this is simply our 2nd Opinion.
Wishing everyone a wise and intelligent Year of the Snake…..making sure that you check to make sure that little water or liquid leaks….don’t become big ones….in this very interesting – Year of the Water Snake.
http://planetwaves.net/pagetwo/daily-astrology/the-sibley-chart-astrology/
There are several reasons that I don’t like the Sibley Chart. The first being that the 1776 date used is for the the Declaration of Independence, which is not the creation of our government. Our government was created by the Articles of Confederation when all thirteen colonies came together to form our government. That is the basis of the Solte Chart which I have used.
The second reason is that the Sibley Chart shows the US as having a Cancer Sun. That would mean that our government is all about home, mom, and apple pie. That is what the government would like you to believe, it’s a nice image, but, the way that we operate is much more Scorpionic.
The Scorpionic Solte Chart shows the US to harbor deep-seated resentments, vindictiveness, an inability to trust, manipulative tendencies, and secretive strategies. It is a much better fit.
We have the Independent agencies
Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)
United States Department of Defense
Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency (AFISRA)
Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM)
Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA)
Marine Corps Intelligence Activity (MCIA)
National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA)
National Reconnaissance Office (NRO)
National Security Agency (NSA)
Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI)
United States Department of Energy
Office of Intelligence and Counterintelligence (OICI)
United States Department of Homeland Security
Office of Intelligence and Analysis (I&A)
Coast Guard Intelligence (CGI)
United States Department of Justice
Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)
Drug Enforcement Administration, Office of National Security Intelligence (DEA/ONSI)
United States Department of State
Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR)
United States Department of the Treasury
Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence (TFI)
And these are just the ones we know about…….
What do you have to support a Cancer Sun for the US ?
I don’t see it.
My chicken bones say you’re both full of it…somebody please pass the rum!
Carl,
You and others may not believe that astrology has validity (there’s no astrological validation that science works either). I’m not here to try to change your belief system.
But, I’m curious.. what does your gut tell you about what I’ve said?
Does it all sound plausible ?
*”It’s a Wonderful Life” with James Stewart is certainly not Scorpionic…”Miracle on 34th Street” not Scorpioic…either. Fits the Cancer Sun, Sagistarius Rising and Aquarius Moon……in our mind. Cancer is just as secretive as Scorpio….another water sign. Cancer is a “get even sign” when folks mess with their family…..”Cujo Mom’s” definitely are Cancer moms.
On top of that, the country started on July 4th, 1776. We don’t recall when the Nation’s Capital was moved from Philadelphia to Washington. D. C., but it took many years to build all the buildings and monuments in D.C., that were all designed by the Masons. Scottish Rite. The Knights of the Templar and the bankers of Louis the 13th…..could be a theory for the Scorpionic Secret Society…….but then you are talking “Skull and Bones” stuff…..the Roman Catholic Church, the Spanish Inquistion and who knows what? We just think it was all about TEA, TAXES and attempting to keep the boot of the Old Country and King George….off our necks and shores.
Don’t forget the Progressions……accordingly…..If we progress the Sun 256 degrees for the Sun and for the Rising Sign…..we should be able to grasp what curent conditions are guiding our Nation. Sounds like we are ending the Leo era and going into the Virgo era then, but we leave the exactitude and the various aspect reads to you dear OJ Oracle.
Your Hollywood movie references have nothing to do with the astrology of the US government. The rest of your comment is prattle.
Try again tomorrow.
*What? You don’t do Secondary Progessions? You only use Transits?
You might want to try French Tarot Cards….those are pretty accurate
along with the use of a good quality Quija Board. The Crystal Ball
and the Laying on of hands is pretty good if you can find a East
European Gypsy. The I-Ching sticks are fun and so are Swedish
Runes. We must say however that the use of Numerology and the
study of Palmistry along with Phrenology and other regimens
including Iradology – the reading the dots in your eye are probably
superior methods to seeking what is in the future. Each and every
one very valuable tools inpredicting the future.
Grandma used to remove warts by burying a frog at the full of the
moon – all good stuff. As we are sure you already know…….
As we all can gather….the latest Mayan Calendar deal didn’t work out as well as those Harbingers of Doom proscribed.
Just to be clear….
Astrologers are not psychics, fortune tellers, witches, gypsies, channelers or mediums. They are practitioners grounded in the science of mathematics, able to decipher patterns and cycles to explain the present and to predict future periods of challenge and opportunity.
Astrology is practical.
The earliest organized system of astrology originated in Babylonia (now Iraq) in the 2nd millenium BC. Astrologers studied the stars in order to be able to predict floods, droughts, earth quakes, and other mundane events. They were counselors to the kings advising them on the timing of events, when to act and when to hold back. Astrologers use charts today to provide their clients with a wealth of information including self-knowledge, compatibility, critical timing, the meaning of life events, and foresight for planning.
I have never buried a frog, and I wouldn’t pay much attention to someone that has.
*Oracle dude……that is why we simply asked the question: Do you use Secondary Progressions as part of your predictive Astrology technique. You didn’t answer. If you do, then you need the correct starting point and that is in our opinion…the Silbey Chart of the US.
Sorry Ships….. I didn’t answer that.
Yes, I used several techniques to write this article.
I used the transits, the secondary progressions, and the solar arcs for predictions. Then I looked at the eclipse cycle for the year.
I know that the Sibley (not the Silbey) chart is a very popular approach, but I , along with a growing contingent, find the Solte chart to be more accurate.
One of the reasons is the Solte chart for 9/11/01. It is a stronger reflection of that day’s events.
On that day…..
Transitting Uranus exactly conjuncts the ascendant. Transiting Saturn exactly conjuncts natal Uranus. Transiting Chiron semi-sextiles the sun. Transiting Neptune squares natal Saturn. Transitting Mercury exactly squares natal Mars.
In the secondary progressions, the progressed Mercury exactly conjuncts natal Uranus in Gemini. Progressed Chiron squares natal Pluto, and progressed Mars squares Natal Neptune.
Solar arc Mars squares the natal Sun, and solar arc Mars squaring natal Jupiter. Solar arc Chiron exactly opposing the natal moon.
The Sibley Chart shows us the following:
Transiting Mercury exactly squaring the Sun. Transiting Chiron squaring natal Neptune. Transiting Mars squaring natal Venus. Transitting Mars squaring the midheaven.
The secondary progressions show us the following:
Progressed Uranus conjucts natal Uranus. Progressed Sun conjuncts the natal Moon.
Solar arcs show us:
Solar arc Saturn squaring natal moon.
Check it out and see if maybe you find the Solte chart a better fit as well. Maybe you won’t. We all see things differently.
*A plausible explanation….but…..our inclination is to follow the more conventional wisdom on this issue.
Nothing wrong with going old school.
Gut feelings are very valuable and should always be given proper attention. One of my favorite books is Malcom Gladwell’s “Blink.”
It goes into exactly that.
“if that’s all there is let’s break out the booze & have a ball……if that’s all there is”
Sorry, but my Magic 8 Ball® is broken.
I pray for the best, try to plan for the worst and hope for something in between.
I try not to worry about it too much and always have a smile on my face.
I know that’s probably hard to believe, but there you have it.
My Magic 8 Ball® keeps saying, “Ask again Later” is that a bad thing?
Your optimism is refreshing. I wish more people shared your outlook.
The reason I share the astrological information is to help people work with the universe, rather than fight it. It sounds like that is what you are doing.
Oracle,
I’m guessing you didn’t appreciate the Jamaican perspective?
“Come back Liza….come back girl…dry the tear from me eye….Come back
Liza ….come back girl…..dry the tear from me eye…. Every time I hear my
Liza call…..I dry the tear from me eye……every time my Liza calls….she dries
the tear from me eye!”
Carl,
You mean the racist perspective ?
Funny you say that, since there was NO intention of that in my
mind whatsoever, however it did go along with the chicken bones thread. It’s just as valid as astrology.
Do you think the VW commercial is too.
The Jamaicans don’t think so however.
Some things in life really don’t revolve around race.
BTW the Jamaican society is VERY diverse in race and culture, and many of them speak with the local color in their language. Saying that it was racist simply shows your lack of knowledge, understanding and appreciation of it.
“….the chicken bones thread. It’s just as valid as astrology.”
Please expound on your evidence.
Or quit wasting our time.
Faith based as Astrology is, it has no more validity than does Santeria, which is one of the many religions that are practiced in many of the islands in the Caribbean region.
*We think your point is……there are 20 different interpretations of 20 different events by 20 different astrologers or see-ers…..
Point well taken…..however, this is only true on Predictive Astrology….not what they call Natal Astrology (the nature and personality of each person) or what they also called Horary Astrology….which is used to ask a I-Ching kind of yea or nay quesiton: “Should you marry Mary Joe or not?” “Should we I get married on a Saturday or a Sunday?” Using a combo of numerology and using your natal chart and the current Transits……in most cases gives a positive answer. Many times however, you whined up getting a mixed message like 8 things positive and 7 things negative. It seldom comes out a slam dunk. Let’s just say….never trust an astrologer under 50 as Mom used to say and make sure that person likes you as much as your “bookie”.
Carl, equating Astrology to Santeria ? I’m sure that you must have a deep understanding of both Astrology and Santeria to make such an absolute statement.
I have studied Astrology for over 30 years, and find no similarities. Please enlighten us with your knowledge, and be sure to tell us how long you have studied the subject.
*1946…Edna Scott my mother’s first Astrology Teacher. Watch our show with
Joan Quigley…..www.cuttingedge-atalkshow.com
The Grandmother taught Astrology at the American Federation of Astrologers
from the 20’s, 30’s, 40’s ande 50’s!
Personal journey….50 years! Member of the Southern California Astrology Network.
Anything more you need to know “Grand Oracle”?
*Mom also wrote the most definitive work on Numerlogy ever written:
“The Essence of Letters and Numbers”…..1970…by Yvonne Winship
*Here is an excellent resource for those who want to know more about
Astrology and who want a political bent to the conversation. Jim is a real iconoclast and quite literate on a variety of subjects and types of astrological evaluation.
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Jim has done Electional Astrology for me, and there are none better than Mr Shawvan.
By the way Jim uses the Solte Chart for his Predictive Astrology of the United States.
He’s a very valuable resource.
*Little doubt that Jim goes his own way on most things. In any event,
there is probably room for lots of folks in this discussion.
Nobody’s questioning your Astrological bona fides.
We all know Astrology has been around for about 4,000 years, and figured that you and your mom got in on the ground floor.
The Quigley interview is good.
I would rather not waste my time or yours. Lets just say I don’t have any faith in either Astrology or Santeria in any sort of ability to predict the future.
My earlier post which you chose to marginalize as being racist, because you didn’t like the way it was presented, was based on the Cuban Santeria priests yearly proclamations. They have been doing it for a while. It’s very hard to discuss something that’s been trashed.
I think that their accuracy is on a par with Astrology, not very.
Let’s just say that you are commenting about a subject that you have very limited knowledge of.
The racism discussion is over on Cynthia’s article.
by Adam Richardson
Tina Turner is the latest celebrity to renounce their citizenship in favor of another country’s…and I am really tired of what happens next.
No, I’m not upset about the US singer dumping her US citizenship and becoming a Swiss citizen. I’ll state this plainly…I think it is absolutely fantastic that she was able to do this.
I support Tina 100%. I also respect and support Gerard Depardieu (who traded his increasingly burdensome French citizenship for Russian) and Facebook co-founder Eduardo Saverin (whom I wrote about here) and anyone else who makes the decision to live their lives freely and by ethical principles.
Tina Turner Swiss Citizen Renounces US Citizenship
To echo Tina herself, “What’s love ethics got to do with it?”
This isn’t a philosophical treatise, rather just a quick blog post, nevertheless I feel compelled to say that the pursuit of personal liberty is (and always has been) a pillar of living a courageous and ethical life.I submit to you that it is not ethical ( it is in fact immoral) to stay bound to a system that uses you in a way that compels you to give your hard fought resources for things you don’t believe in through physical force, societal guilt, and politically conjured fear.
I am not trying to hoist up as heroes those rich and famous people listed above, nor am I suggesting that switching citizenships is an inherently good and moral act or that it makes you a better person. Beneath the emotion and sensationalism surrounding expatriation there is really only the idea of freedom and choice.
Each of the past few years has seen growing numbers of “regular” people renouncing their citizenship in favor of a country that treats them better than the last. That this should be an option for everyone is not debatable in my opinion.
Which brings me full circle…
Why am I angry that Tina Turner renounced her US citizenship?
I am not angry at the action…I applaud it. I am angry at the public reaction. I am angry at the way the press frames the story and controls the perception of such an action. I am angry that governments around the world will try to use this to tighten their reigns and increase their powers.
Ultimately all of this will combine to make it harder for the individual who is brave enough to act in an ethical manner and seek liberty.
No government as such is ever in favor of the freedom of the individual. It invariably seeks to limit that freedom, if not by overt denial, then by seeking constantly to widen its own functions. – H. L. Mencken
It is already much more difficult than it was a few years ago to exercise what you would assume to be a fairly straightforward right, that of choosing to no longer being a citizen of the US. Let me clarify that, it’s not that it’s gotten too terribly difficult – it’s that it’s gotten punishingly more expensive!
The message from the government is that you are free to leave at any point, but we will make it as painful as possible.
That a government would seek to limit it’s citizens freedoms while squeezing extra “revenue” from them is no surprise. What really gets to me is the reaction of “the people”.
For a sampling of the public’s reaction…
Just read any of the recent news articles published about Tina Turner becoming a Swiss citizen and then go to the comments section.
In it you will find any number of variations on the following type of comment, “We (the US) were good enough for her while she became rich and famous and now she wants to take her money and leave, well I say good riddance! I am no longer a fan”.
To be fair, there are also comments suggesting that it is none of our business where a person lives and how they direct their lives. While heartening, these comments can’t match the noise of the greed and quasi-nationalistic fervor of the others.
The public’s reaction to these types of stories is best expressed by Nassim Taleb in his book of aphorisms, “The Bed Of Procrustes” in the chapter on Ethics.
There are those who will thank you for what you gave them and others who will blame you for what you did not give them.
Which side do you fall on?
You can run your life or have your life run for you.
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*Tina is a double Sagistarius and is a girl that once released by Ike……has found her own way. She probably is just bored to tears. What hasn’t this girl been up to? Becoming a Swiss Citizen is just a mild statement against American Wars and Hegemony…..probably nothing more than that. She will be paying more taxes….but her career is probably more or less sliding back in the the future. Occasional, European Mega Shows…..probalby with other major celebs. Maybe even Paul McCartney.
Time is not Phillip Nolan or Roman Polanski. It is doubtful that she is under indictment for any major crime and with the new International agreements with the European Communtiy and more stringent in Switzerland…..it is very doubtful….she will be avoiding any more US taxes than Mitt Romney does.
Saw Tina with the Pointer Sisters at the Hollywood Bowl….back in ’78, before her
comeback……and the movie “What’s Love Got to Do With it?”
I like your left liberal denial of the reality – Winships.
FYI, the people are giving up the USA citizenship not because of the war and American politic which sucks but because of the humiliating mandate that they must file with the IRS regardless where they live in the world and tell them where their bank accounts are and everything about themselves under the penalty of perjury and that is simply where the USA went wrong.
Legally, if Tina would insert $10,000 or more into her vagina she would be obligated to report it to IRS where her money is.
The original Tea Party uprising was done by the reach people, the 1%, against the taxation without representation, payed to the King of England.
So what did we achieved by the USA revolution?……. Huh?
USA citizenship is good only for the 3rd World immigrants and from the communist block (which is no more) but reincarnated here in the USA.
If you would study how much the IRS gained power around the world because of the 911 (which otherwise would be impossible) you would instantly become a conspiracy theorist. See Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (“FATCA”).
So where are my unalienable rights?
Please notice the H. L. Mencken statement in my prior comment.
“No government as such is ever in favor of the freedom of the individual. It invariably seeks to limit that freedom, if not by overt denial, then by seeking constantly to widen its own functions.” The Obamacare.
I think it is time to give USA back to Indians.
“I think it is time to give USA back to Indians.”
One could make a pretty compelling case that it was a far more beautiful country when they controlled it.
*No denial Dr. Stan…..at all. Different take maybe….and that makes all of us that served in the military of the United States…..because it was an obligation, not because it was required……..and not for LBJ or Nixon…..but for all Americans…..we can simply say: Tina has freedom of speech and the freedom to leave our country…..any time she wants. As does Piers Morgan, Bill O’Reilly or Sarah Palin. They can all go live….wherever they want. We already paid for them to do whatever they want to do……..
If the meantime, we will try and try to make the current system a little better every day…..by our modest attempts at bringing facts and a little wisdom into the dialogue.
“If the meantime, we will try and try to make the current system a little better every day…..by our modest attempts at bringing facts and a little wisdom into the dialogue”……….. Hmmmmm
In order to accomplish that you would have to go back to future which you progressives call reactionary.
Therefore, the current system can’t be a little better, but a little worse every day.
In January 1969 when I hit the beach at Ellis Island this country was 1,000,000 times better place to be. Trust me I was there.
*In ’69 we had Muscle Cars and some great local restaurants and tacos….long befor Taco Bell. The Hamburgers were awesome and our fruit and vegetables were all locally grown. Only occasionally did we have to buy those awful Florida Oranges.
California Oranges, Lettuce, Tomatoes and Avocados were the best in the world. Our seasonal Melons and Strawberries were to die for. Gasoline was .38 cents a gallon for high test. The girls all showed their boobs to anyone that asked, while they hitchhiked down Pacific Coast Highway. There was no AIDS……people died at 50, no one had cell phones except James Bond and the beeped was strictly for Government types. The bad part was we were at war in Vietnam and all our young guys were getting killed or injured. Parents actually helped their kids go to college, buy their first car and pay for their prom. Anyone could go to college that wanted to. The weather was great and the waves were huge! Surfing was king!
Ah yes……living in the past……quite a fine art.
I was under the impression that you leftists are not materialistic, but you remember just that.
How about personal freedom?…. Huh?
FYI we are still in the war and next one is coming soon so no improvement there.
Of course we leftists can be materialistic. Heck, some of us are dialectical materialistic!
Denied: Unlike Marxian interpretation which is relying on conflict between opposites arising from the internal contradictions inherent in all events, ideas, and movements, here, by my reference to materialism, I have submitted the doctrine that physical wealth and worldly possessions constitute the greatest good and highest value in life for use in the production of more wealth which does not exist in the dialectical materialism as probably the most destructive crapola ever presented to the humanity.
*Collecting things? Dr. Stan….is not next to Godliness. It is much akin to Dust Bunny Collectors. How much is enough? One house, two house or 10 houses? How about just playing a good game of Monopoly with your grandkids and calling it a day? You can get Boardwalk and Park Place and all the Railroads and Utilities and then refuse to lend cash to your six year old opponents. You can even refuse to pay for them to go to college…keep that money in a personal savings account in their name and give them the cash when they turn 35…….just in time for their mid-life crisis at 38.
No, remember the famous quote: “We knew we had too many guns when we realized that we could not carry them all, including the ammo at one time…when their was no gas, no electricity and no more candles.”
Bob Dylan said it best: “In my Cadillac…..nice kind of car to drive…after a war!”
Determining morality based on degree of material wealth is a fundamental precept of Satanism, though!
“How much is enough? “……… The sky is limit.
I do not expect you to figure out the following math questions:
If you have country #1 with total 100 people and 10 people are milliners, how much is the country worth = ?
If you have country #2 with total 100 people and 0 people are milliners, how much is the country worth = ?
In which country the 100 people population have higher living standard including an employment count = ?
Hint: In 1967 I was living in CSSR with 0 milliners and you were living in the USA with many milliners, which one of us had higher living standard = ?
And finally, which country has better garbage = ?
Hint: In 1970 I found working old model color TV, vacuum cleaner and toaster naming just few material possessions which in CSSR would be unthinkable to be found on the street discarded because you couldn’t found these items even i the store.
The Marxian concept of wealth is based on a mental disorder of Marx.
Name one Marxist country in which you would be better off = ?
“Determining morality based on degree of material wealth is a fundamental precept of Satanism, though!”……….. Hmmmmmm
Under the religious mandamus, every pleasure is precept of Satanism, including but not limited to the life liberty and pursuit of happiness.
I would submit, POWER, MONEY, SPIRITUALITY and EARTHLY DELIGHTS like (SEX, FOOD, DRUGS & LOVE)
So now you have prove that the leftism is a religion which is denouncing Satan as the mighty God.
*Tina is a double Sagistarius and is a girl that once released by Ike……has found her own way. She probably is just bored to tears. What hasn’t this girl been up to? Becoming a Swiss Citizen is just a mild statement against American Wars and Hegemony…..probably nothing more than that. She will be paying more taxes….but her career is probably more or less sliding back in the the future. Occasional, European Mega Shows…..probalby with other major celebs. Maybe even Paul McCartney.
Time is not Phillip Nolan or Roman Polanski. It is doubtful that she is under indictment for any major crime and with the new International agreements with the European Communtiy and more stringent in Switzerland…..it is very doubtful….she will be avoiding any more US taxes than Mitt Romney does.
Saw Tina with the Pointer Sisters at the Hollywood Bowl….back in ’78, before her
comeback……and the movie “What’s Love Got to Do With it?” We had gone to
a Ballet Performance and they were walking out when we did.
*Sometimes….Stan sounds a lot like Jimmy Carter…..”America has to understand that there are limits….and this is time when we all need to do with less. We need to understand that America has seen its best days and those days are over! I have talked with my brother Billie about this and believe that the world will need to survive on Peanuts and Billy Beer.”
But of course Carter then found that Roslyn and his mom………were at church while he was giving out this public statement. So….he helped found Habitat for Hamanity!
Actually, Obama Days lie ahead……and in these best of times we will find a positive world – where the answers to simple problems are found and repaired even on Google.
“Stan sounds a lot like Jimmy Carter”………. Hmmmmmm
Why don’t you Winships have an another drink and elderly stile sex on me and rethink your crapola…….. I am not democrat so try to think of some conservative guy who sounds like I.
*We think…you should buy. Mainly because you do sound so much like
Jimmy Carter……. Maybe if you buy……enough……we can get you to
sound like LBJ or Richard Nixon…..