How come Miguel Pulido and the Santa Ana City Council aren’t opposing Prop. 8?

Newsong is obviously of the “love the sinner, hate the sin” school of Christianity.

Gustavo, there is no other “school” of Christianity.

By stating they think same-sex relationships are sinful, or any sexual relations outside of marriage as sinful, then going on to oppose (like you) homosexual marriage, that implicates homosexuals as sinners. There’s just no way to parse any other meaning from it.

Gustavo, there’s no parsing going on their statement. You’re injecting meaning that isn’t there, and drawing implications that don’t logically follow. Newsong states its position very clearly. It’s entirely consistent with orthodox Christian belief: we are all sinners, but simply being one way or another isn’t sinful.

If that’s not enough for you, Newsong later states, “Do we have a place for all misfits or just some in particular?” That’s a crass way of stating gays are abnormal; ergo, gays are sinners.

You are using tortured reasoning to make that statement mean what you want it to mean, not what it plainly says.

And your defense of Ahmanson’s statement is strange–are you claiming moral relativism? I thought only lefties do that!

No, it’s not moral relativism. I’m telling you what I think Ahamanson is saying, inn light of other statements he has made about homosexuals and homosexuality that are the opposite of the sinister pall you cast over him.

But recognizing the difference in what is considered moral during different ages, and between different cultures, is quite distinct from subscribing to a philosophy that there is no such thing as right and wrong.

Not only that, but given Ahmanson’s longtime advocacy of Reconstructionism, his statement sounds much more sinister than your benign spin.

I don’t know what Reconstructionism is, so I’ll have to get back to you on that one.

One more time: do you think Howard F. Ahmanson, Jr. is still a “stellar conservative”?

Yes, I have said before, I do. He’s one of the relatively few men of means on the Right who actually puts his funds into the fight because of what he believes.

“From these posts it seems as if religious persecution is back in vogue.”

Persecution of gays, pro-choice supporters or anyone else who does not agree with their narrow minded view of the world has never been out of vogue amongst the religious right.