‘Stop with the jibber-jabber!’ Ream reminds me of that senile judge in ‘Boston Legal.’

At least Ware’s leaving, hopefully to an appropriate zone this time, or better still, to Orange!

SMS

Stephanie,

What exactly is your problem with me?

One of the reasons I am running is that the incumbent, Bustamante, has accepted thousands of dollars from special interests - and as such he does not stand up for the residents of our city.

Bustamante was even MIA on the Quiet Zone issue - even after the OCTA offered to pay for 80% of the cost of silencing the trains that roar through Ward 3.

What you will see on my campaign finance reports is that I am getting a lot of support from residents and activists in Santa Ana, from the left, right and center. What you won’t see is awful companies like Ware Disposal and creepy developers like Robert Bisno. If you want to see those names go pull Bustamante’s past finance reports.

If Ware and the other business operating around Logan go - you can kiss that neighborhood goodbye. Those businesses are the anchors that keep high priced residental “artist lofts” off the city planners table.

Art,

You state, “And why aren’t the neighbors in Logan going after the Santa Ana City Council? So far neither Mayor Miguel Pulido nor the Council have done anything about Ware’s operations in Logan.”

Do you really think Ware did this out of the goodness of their cold hearts? No, of course the City Council and the mayor brokered this deal and made it happen. If this actually happens, give credit where credit where credit is due.

This is precisely why I think you would be a terrible Councilman. You are always critical, always angry, never constructive. It’s real easy to whine and complain about things. It’s tough to make things better. If the current Mayor and Council get Ware out of Logan it will be a great success for them and a wonderful thing for the folks that call Logan home.

You are good at pointing out some issues in this city…I’ll give you that…but the last thing we need on our city council is an anti-everything, super negative, “i think everyone else is stupid and crooked” type of councilman.

Your cynicism is tiring…and most of all…fruitless…as we constantly see every candidate/measure fail that you support.

I agree that getting Ware out of Logan would be a major coup for the city leaders and a great thing for the folks in Logan. I would happily applaud Ream, Pulido or whomever managed to do this.

However simply relocating Ware to somewhere else in the city where she can be a bad neighbor to somebody else is not the answer. The city must see to it that Ware obey’s the law and is punished when they fail to do so.

L Sisk,

There is no reason for legitimate industrial businesses to move out of Logan; Logan is zoned for both industrial and residential (mixed use).

And with Ware moving the City has no justifiable reason to keep the 3 ton limit signs up. The signs are already bagged which indicates that they should be coming down soon.

But who knows what the City has planned within the soon to be redefined Renaissance Plan?

Sean,

You, Joe and Sam are all to be commended for your continued activism and opposition to Ware.

All I have done is try to shed light on Ware as you once did so well here at the Orange Juice. Your stories really got the ball rolling!

I do hope that it is true that Ware is leaving Logan. Hopefully they will not cause further trouble for anyone else in our city, but that is too much to hope for…

Mike,

ITA. Logan is zoned for mixed use and there is absolutely no reason why Ware should move.

I’m just wondering how the residents forsee fighting the Renaissance Plan once the money to back any legal opposition against the city has left the neighborhood.

L Sisk,

Ware is ILLEGALLY using residential zoned property for smelly, dirty and dangerous industrial purposes. That is reason enough for Ware to get the HELL out of Logan Barrio.

Do you really think that Logan residents and industrial businesses would want Ware’s dirty money on their side?

Logan will have plenty of support from all of Santa Ana, including industrial within and near Logan.

So KMA.

Ahh the difficulties of representative democracy. Once you get into office you have to represent everyone, even Stephanie. I wonder if thats a pseudonym? She sounds a lot like my ex-wives.

Mike,

Don’t kid yourself. The residents have wanted ALL the industrial businesses out of Logan for decades. If they can get Ware out, they’ll go after the others next.

And once the businesses go, the residents won’t be able to mount a defense to save their own homes from redevelopment. Who is going to come up with the finances to back a prolonged legal fight against the city if that happens? A handful of homeowners in a low income area? Please. The industrial business owners have already saved that neighborhood once to the idiotic plans of the city council.

As far as I can tell, the homeowners have a clear choice. Keep the status quo in the neighborhood or eventually lose their homes to the Renaissance Plan.

Mike,

I’m unaware of any illegality of Ware Disposal keeping trucks and equipment in the Logan neighborhood. They aren’t sorting trash on Logan. Perhaps you could enlighten me?

If, as you claim, “the city should do everything possible to enhance the residential nature of Logan” please explain how ANY industrial business fits in that plan.

Anaheim did “everything possible” to enhance the neighborhoods around Anaheim Stadium. The former businesses and (subsequently, of course) residents are long gone.

But the empty condos over the Starbucks look nice.

L Sisk,

You can check out Ware’s illegal use of property by going to the City of Santa Ana website “Property Search Feature” - type in 1022 N. Lincoln Ave. (and 1026)- those addresses are zoned residential.

Ware is using those residential zoned propereties to store dumpsters. They tore down homes or “crummy little shacks” as Ware’s attorney Pat Munoz called them for this illegal industrial purpose.

You have been made aware and enlightened.

Ware is storing equipment, i.e. bins and trucks in a residentally zoned lot. It may be illegally zoned on paper but how is storing trucks and empty bins “smelly, dirty and (for) dangerous industrial purposes?” Do you get this hysterical over ALL commerical sized trash bins…or just the empty ones?

Other trucks run up and down those streers during business hours. How is a Ware truck specifically different? Ware isn’t dumping trash on Logan as your posts imply. The trucks come and leave. As far as I can tell, Ware being in the neighborhood is as noisy as any other industrial truck driving on the street and as “smelly, dirty and dangerous” as a bunch of EMPTY trash bins. Big Whoop.

You claim you want a mixed use neighborhood but with you finger pointing arguments and dramatics, your argument doesn’t make a whit of sense - unless yours is the argument that ALL noise making equipment and commerical equipment be banned from the residental areas in Santa Ana.

And if that’s what you want, just say so.

Sean,

whatever

Mike,

That’s as far as I need to go because you don’t wish to address my points.
You said it yourself: the Logan area is mixed zoned for both industrial and residential.  So unless you can tell me exactly how Ware Disposal would be less “smelly, dirty and dangerous” operating two lots over from where they are presently located, I don’t see how you have a point.

You want the businesses out of Logan.

Got it.

The only problem is once that happens, there goes the neighborhood (to the Renaissance Plan).  The city doesn’t give a flying flip what happens on Logan as long as they get an opportunity to throw out the present folks - residents and businesses alike and slap up some lofts.  Divide the and conqour.  It’s as simple as that.

L Sisk

You are new to the blog(I think). Mike does not want the businesses out of Logan(just Ware).
Do your research before you start accussing people of things like that.

Sarah and Daneille,

Maybe you can answer me since Mike won’t.  Where do the existing businesses fit into the phrase, “The city should do everything possible to enhance the residental nature of Logan.”  I’m just not seeing it. 

A Starbucks, Jamba Juice and Baby Gap would enhance the residental nature of the neighborhood.  They could get those businesses right under the lofts that’ll be put up once the businesses and current residents are cleared out. 

And what possible difference does it make in regard to smell, dirt and danger if Ware Disposal is keeping empty bins in this lot or that in a mixed use area?

Ware is just being used as a flamebaiting non-issue to get all the businesses out.

L Sisk,

Seriously, if Ware discontinued their illegal operations on residential property they may comply with with the zone ordinance, but that type of industrial business is a misfit for even the mixed use (R/I) zoning of Logan.

Ware has shown their enormous disrespect for Logan Barrio. They are not a good neighbor to the neighborhood. The other industrial businesses in Logan are responsible long standing members of the Logan community.

If, as you seem to be indicating, that the 3 ton limit signs are the “shot across the bow” to all industrial businesses in Logan - then the City will have a real knock down drag out fight on it’s hands.

L Sisk

The only thing I am answering is this because it is too funny

“A Starbucks, Jamba Juice and Baby Gap would enhance the residental nature of the neighborhood. They could get those businesses right under the lofts that’ll be put up once the businesses and current residents are cleared out.”

You do realize when those lofts are built and people buy them, they OWN THE WHOLE THING not just the living space.
So unless whoever owned said loft owned a gap, jamba juice or starbucks, those really would not work there.

L Sisk,

What I mean by “enhanced residential nature” would be an overlay scenario, such as proposed for all other industrial properties within the Renaissance Plan.

The existing zone designation for each parcel or group of parcels would remain. And as proposed for my industrial property in the RSP - to overlay that with a type of residential zoning that would be acceptable to the Logan community.

That is just my opinion, I do not live, work or own property in Logan Barrio. I prefer to leave the destiny of Logan to that community.

Mike,

I understand that you don’t like Ware Disposal but what is a misfit about storing empty trash bins on a lot zoned for industry? Would you please explain this idea beyond your personal dislike of the company in general?

The residents have wanted all industrial businesses out of Logan for decades. And your quote about the city doing everything to enhance the residential nature sounds like it comes directly from that playbook.

My argument is that it is a very short-sighted desire. Who is going to mount a legal defense against the city planners to save Logan from the Reinassance Plan if the businesses with a current vested interest are gone?

Quixotic,

You should be afraid if what you posted is your idea of an intelligent response.

And who are you? Miss Cleo? How would you know what I know about anything? You don’t. And I’m not particually impressed with your foolish posturing. I enjoy freedom of speech just like everyone else so no, I’m concerned one whit about “who I’m speaking to.” Who cares?

Btw, Don Quixote spent a lot of time chasing impossible dreams that never came to fruition.

Perfect!

‘Sounds to me like people don’t like Ware for personal, not business reasons.‘

I don’t live there, but from what I understand they’re just generally not good neighbors. The bins are only one issue. I hear from residents that they operate at all hours for instance. A bad neighbor is a bad neighbor whether it be for personal or business reasons.

Since they’re already moving though, and the vehicle weight limits have been removed, technically this entire conversation is moot. I just hope they move to a neighborhood more suitable to their business.

SMS

L Sisk says: “And while the Logan neighborhood may get a short-lived victory … they also lose a business with a vested interest in fighting the city against the RP.”

Mike Tardif says: After a big laugh, .. I am certain that Logan residents will cry crocodile tears as Ware Disposal leaves Logan.

The residents have been trying for years to get the City to enforce codes and regulations against Ware to no avail. Ware pays off the City Clowncil in order to keep the heat off of themselves.

Logan Barrio can handle the RSP just fine without help from Ware Disposal.

L Sisk,

Agree with your first paragraph.

As regards your 2nd paragraph - I do have a First Amendment right to freedom of speech - not concerned at all.

L Sisk,
I think you are referring to libel rather than slander. Since this blog is considered a distribution through the media.

Libel: An untruthful statement about a person, published in writing or through broadcast media, that injures the person’s reputation or standing in the community.

The keyword here is “untruthful” - what was untruthful in any of my statements about Ware?

Again - not concerned.

Do you work for Ware or some related entity?

“Unless you have actual evidence of wrongdoing or a conviction to point to instead of rumors, I sure wouldn’t make those sorts of allegations in a public forum as if they are undisputed facts.”

L Sisk,

I have seen the actual violations written up by code enforcement. I have seen video and photos of Ware illegally power washing the trucks.

They are currently operating in an illegal capacity at their facility in Logan.

The Register has written about the illegal trucks being used by Ware. The CHP has repeatedly cited them for these violations.

Google “Ware” and I am sure you’ll read stories about their miscreant behavior.

“why hasn’t it ocurred to anyone to notify the EPA?”

L Sisk,

Who says the EPA hasn’t been notified? Not to mention other agencies as well.

Sean,

Where can I read details regarding the fines imposed on Ware Disposal by the EPA?

Update:

The City has removed the offending (to industrial business) 3 ton limit signs in Logan. Except for one which had previously existed at Santiago and Stafford.

The City moved amazingly fast on accomplishing this task. Complaints went to the City manager’s office on Friday, the signs were covered on Monday and they were removed on Tuesday.

Wow!! When the City feels the heat they can move pretty fast.

Kudos to Art Pedroza, the OJ Blog team and of course to the industrial businesses in Logan who made the City feel the heat.

With Renaissance Plan Deux just round the bend - I agree with “L Sisk” that Logan needs to be aware and aggressive in their dealings with the City. Residential and industrial in Logan should come together and present a united front to the City for the best outcome for all concerned.

Who says the EPA hasn’t been notified?

Huh. Bush’s defanged, defunded EPA that would be. Hope they get around to checking out Ware some time this decade.

Cook,

A CUP is a Conditional Use Permit - a type of industrial business permit. And I agree with you - I’m not altogether convinced it’s legally necessary in this case as Ware isn’t operating their business from the Logan location -they’re storing bins.

And I share your concern in regards to Logan and a RP “overlay.”

Vern Nelson,

The EPA had no problem bringing a suit against Home Depot (and others) who violate the law.

If a suit has been filed there should be a record of it. Has anyone done this?

Another link…

http://www.arb.ca.gov/enf/hdvip/hdvip_pamphlet.pdf